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Post by Wolfgang on Aug 29, 2016 22:40:13 GMT -5
Remember that volleyballs weigh 10 ounces. It's hard to produce a lot of damage at that weight, even at 50 mph. Girls in the back row get knocked down from shots to the face. Air resistance slows the ball down a lot by the time it travels 15 feet or more. I'm talking about traveling 2-3 feet and impacting a very small area.. My daughter would complain constantly about sore fingers when she played. I presume - from all the pictures of closed eyes and grimacing faces - that they know what's coming when they go up for the block. blogs.ft.com/photo-diary/files/2014/08/volleyball.jpgYes! You see!?!?! It's not just me!
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Post by universal on Aug 29, 2016 22:53:21 GMT -5
About #4, sitting vs standing at the bench. From Peter Vint, (recently) former Senior Director, Competitive Analysis, Research & Innovation for the US Olympic Committee (all sports, though he was a college club volleyball player 30 years ago.) Currently, Academy Director Everett Football Club, Liverpool UK. Contributor to 2009 USA Volleyball article - To Sit or Stand During Matches - Excerpt follows. You only need to read the first sentence below - which says it all, and can then ignore the rest if you lack intellectual curiosity. (paste) In sum, my impression is that the duration in which an athlete would sit or stand would likely be inconsequential in terms of neuromuscular performance. In standing, the knees and hips are extended and therefore the three single-joint quadriceps muscles (but probably not the two-joint rectus femoris) will shorten and may modestly stiffen in this position if there is no sporadic activity. The hamstrings will likely be somewhat less affected as two of the three muscles span both the hip and knee. While knee extension would tend to lengthen the hamstring, hip extension would tend to shorten it. The net effect on muscle length change is probably about zero. While sitting, the opposite happens. Here the affected quadriceps muscles will stretch due to the flexed position of the knee. The hamstrings, now stretched by the flexed hip but shortened by the flexed knee again probably stays at a relatively constant length. So, differentially, sitting versus standing could result in somewhat, albeit modestly different muscle lengths at which stiffness may set in. This could theoretically result in differences in levels of initial quadriceps force production. (end paste)
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Post by durtpile on Aug 29, 2016 22:59:16 GMT -5
Girls in the back row get knocked down from shots to the face. Air resistance slows the ball down a lot by the time it travels 15 feet or more. I'm talking about traveling 2-3 feet and impacting a very small area.. My daughter would complain constantly about sore fingers when she played. I presume - from all the pictures of closed eyes and grimacing faces - that they know what's coming when they go up for the block. blogs.ft.com/photo-diary/files/2014/08/volleyball.jpgYes! You see!?!?! It's not just me! Not, it isn't just you. For the digs, though, they get trained on how to dive. Most of them start of doing drills with pads on the floor. They learn to get a knee and a hand down to take the impact. Not sure what good those knee pads do when they wear them below the knee, but that's a thing with girls nowdays. Just not fashionable to wear them over the knee. Go figger.
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Post by universal on Aug 29, 2016 23:12:04 GMT -5
About #2 The speed and mass of the ball is irrelevant. You're dedication to the game can conquer physics. I know I'm not the first to post this Scott Sterling Youtube video link, but I think it is worth another visit for this thread.
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Post by zero-rotation outside hitter on Aug 29, 2016 23:15:37 GMT -5
Remember that volleyballs weigh 10 ounces. It's hard to produce a lot of damage at that weight, even at 50 mph. Girls in the back row get knocked down from shots to the face. Air resistance slows the ball down a lot by the time it travels 15 feet or more. I'm talking about traveling 2-3 feet and impacting a very small area.. My daughter would complain constantly about sore fingers when she played. I presume - from all the pictures of closed eyes and grimacing faces - that they know what's coming when they go up for the block. blogs.ft.com/photo-diary/files/2014/08/volleyball.jpgYeah, but a shot to the face is much different from grazing the tips of fingers. The entirety of a ball's velocity being stopped by a head versus flexible fingers being slightly displaced from their midpoint up is a very different dynamic. Ultimately, why are you asking this? You know fingers don't get broken or injured very often from blocking. It's not magic.
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Post by durtpile on Aug 29, 2016 23:24:15 GMT -5
Girls in the back row get knocked down from shots to the face. Air resistance slows the ball down a lot by the time it travels 15 feet or more. I'm talking about traveling 2-3 feet and impacting a very small area.. My daughter would complain constantly about sore fingers when she played. I presume - from all the pictures of closed eyes and grimacing faces - that they know what's coming when they go up for the block. blogs.ft.com/photo-diary/files/2014/08/volleyball.jpgYeah, but a shot to the face is much different from grazing the tips of fingers. The entirety of a ball's velocity being stopped by a head versus flexible fingers being slightly displaced from their midpoint up is a very different dynamic. Ultimately, why are you asking this? You know fingers don't get broken or injured very often from blocking. It's not magic. "You know fingers don't get broken or injured very often from blocking." True, but I do know they all have their fingers taped, and they all have that look on their faces that screams, "This is gunna hurt."
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Post by azvb on Aug 29, 2016 23:50:10 GMT -5
I saw a guy split the webbing between his bird finger and ring finger while blocking. Blood everywhere. My daughter broke her finger digging a ball with open hands. Pretty much ended her collegiate career because she was fighting for a position and couldn't practice. I don't remember ever jamming my fingers while setting. Never did much blocking EXCEPT THAT TIME __________(fill in the blank Wolfgang). Jammed my ring finger pretty bad playing basketball. Still won't bend all the way.
Subs standing is dumb, IMO.
I'm pretty aware of rotations when I watch on TV. I guess because I was a ref. It would be great to know how many points were scored in each rotation.I wanted to know the stats on the double sub in Rio. Seemed to me they came in with a lead and that lead was gone when they subbed out. Every time.
I can probably count on one hand the number of out-of-rotation calls I made as an R2. I did a lot of warnings.
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Post by Wolfgang on Aug 30, 2016 0:01:13 GMT -5
Girls in the back row get knocked down from shots to the face. Air resistance slows the ball down a lot by the time it travels 15 feet or more. I'm talking about traveling 2-3 feet and impacting a very small area.. My daughter would complain constantly about sore fingers when she played. I presume - from all the pictures of closed eyes and grimacing faces - that they know what's coming when they go up for the block. blogs.ft.com/photo-diary/files/2014/08/volleyball.jpgYeah, but a shot to the face is much different from grazing the tips of fingers. The entirety of a ball's velocity being stopped by a head versus flexible fingers being slightly displaced from their midpoint up is a very different dynamic. Ultimately, why are you asking this? You know fingers don't get broken or injured very often from blocking. It's not magic. Actually, I don't really know this, hence the mystery.
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Post by wonderwarthog79 on Aug 30, 2016 0:17:44 GMT -5
Check out a few fingers from veteran players. You'll often find broken and dislocated fingers. I broke both my little fingers at some point and just kept playing. No big deal, but mallet finger where the first tendon is injured or broken is a nasty one that can take weeks in a cast. Soft blocking really big hitters is sometimes the prudent choice to avoid injury. In response to Gilmoy, submarine hitting (never knew there was a term for it) is probably rarely an option against top level blocking, but I knew a guy who was great at it. Nothing better than watching a ball hit towards the rafters catch a few fingers. The blockers really get pissed. Mary Jo Peppler once played in a pickup game with us (her brother was a regular) on a cement floor and dived across the length of the court to get a ball. We were all stunned. Nobody had ever tried that on this floor.
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Post by bigdfromla on Aug 30, 2016 0:54:33 GMT -5
Why do the players on the bench stand as a group at the end of the bench in college volleyball? Why don't they all just sit on the bench, as it is done at the high school level. It looks goofy to see four coaches sitting at a bench area with 15 seats and the bench players are standing at the end. It's just dumb.
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Post by trojansc on Aug 30, 2016 1:58:32 GMT -5
The fingers thing is just sort of a wrong place, wrong time thing. It doesn't happen too much. It has to hit at the perfect angle to bend your finger back in a painful way, and your block has to be timed perfect for this to happen. Sometimes a hit that isn't nearly as hard can jam your finger, while a humongous spike that clips your finger might not really faze you at all.
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Post by pineapple on Aug 30, 2016 7:18:18 GMT -5
Why do they stand? I think the players just want to honor Stand Sheriff.
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Post by durtpile on Aug 30, 2016 8:43:51 GMT -5
Why do they stand? I think the players just want to honor Stand Sheriff. Then why don't we see more movement from the girls at the Bob Devaney Center in Lincoln?
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Post by SportyBucky on Aug 30, 2016 9:48:16 GMT -5
Yeah, but a shot to the face is much different from grazing the tips of fingers. The entirety of a ball's velocity being stopped by a head versus flexible fingers being slightly displaced from their midpoint up is a very different dynamic. Ultimately, why are you asking this? You know fingers don't get broken or injured very often from blocking. It's not magic. "You know fingers don't get broken or injured very often from blocking." True, but I do know they all have their fingers taped, and they all have that look on their faces that screams, "This is gunna hurt." Doesn't hurt. You can see the ball and it hits your palm, not your finger tips. Never sprained a finger playing against college men, much less women.
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Post by oldman on Aug 30, 2016 9:57:21 GMT -5
I can probably count on one hand the number of out-of-rotation calls I made as an R2. I did a lot of warnings. I like it when a R2 warns my team. I hate it when he/she/? warns the opponent (did you warn my middle that she was in the net?)
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