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Post by dgo on Sept 7, 2016 7:32:38 GMT -5
who else is left? 4 from Wisconsin 3 from Texas 2 from UCLA 2 from Minnesota 1 from USC(Southern Cal), Washington, FSU, UF,Illinois, Nebraska, UK. I am missing 2 I posted this a couple pages back, I believe it's LSU and South Carolina I think you're probably right -- a couple of Middles. |
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Post by durtpile on Sept 7, 2016 8:25:32 GMT -5
i think a lot of these ratings of ACES are off, sorry... but i don't agree with lots of these this year. i also think it is interesting to note which kids out of these rankings make all-american honors during their 4 years. it's an interesting stat i've seen posted on this forum before.... they seldom "get it right" which is also impossible for pvb to do anywayz. it's all pure hype and opinion, most of these top 30 kids won't ever even see AA honors in college. somebody should repost the all-americans for the past few seasons and notice their senior aces ranking... kind of deems the whole thing useless. if you're a top 100 recruit, the sky is the limit for your potential..... who cares about someone 22 and 25 is better? if they're getting noticed, they are good. there is always a couple kids who are WOWzers and big time gets, but after that, anything is possible for these kids. (FOR EXAMPLE) LSU/Nebraska's Briana Holman was ranked 37 in 2013 for senior aces? uhm? now she's arguably one of the best players in the country.... 1st team all american her sophmore season? 1 example of many! Helps explain the popularity of the crap tables in casinos, doesn't it? |
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Post by secsportsfan on Sept 7, 2016 8:27:55 GMT -5
I posted this a couple pages back, I believe it's LSU and South Carolina I think you're probably right -- a couple of Middles. According to rich kern, LSU only has one recruit for 2017, and it's a 5'9 beach player. |
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Post by dgo on Sept 7, 2016 8:49:00 GMT -5
I think you're probably right -- a couple of Middles. According to rich kern, LSU only has one recruit for 2017, and it's a 5'9 beach player. I think Kern only lists commitments that have been reported to him (by the players/families or the school). There's a MB committed to LSU in the 2017 class that was PrepVB top 50 last year. I'm guessing that nobody bothered to tell Kern. Edited to add: come to think of it, I'm also aware of a very good libero in the 2017 class that is committed to LSU. Apparently not in the top 100, but I'd be surprised if she's not in "the 150." She's on the HS AA watch list and was listed among Prep's "gym dandies". Coincidentally, both she and the MB hail from the same area. |
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Post by ProfessorPlum on Sept 7, 2016 11:24:32 GMT -5
i think a lot of these ratings of ACES are off, sorry... but i don't agree with lots of these this year. i also think it is interesting to note which kids out of these rankings make all-american honors during their 4 years. it's an interesting stat i've seen posted on this forum before.... they seldom "get it right" which is also impossible for pvb to do anywayz. it's all pure hype and opinion, most of these top 30 kids won't ever even see AA honors in college. somebody should repost the all-americans for the past few seasons and notice their senior aces ranking... kind of deems the whole thing useless. if you're a top 100 recruit, the sky is the limit for your potential..... who cares about someone 22 and 25 is better? if they're getting noticed, they are good. there is always a couple kids who are WOWzers and big time gets, but after that, anything is possible for these kids. (FOR EXAMPLE) LSU/Nebraska's Briana Holman was ranked 37 in 2013 for senior aces? uhm? now she's arguably one of the best players in the country.... 1st team all american her sophmore season? 1 example of many! It's Art not Science! But I agree with most of your post as this year's list seems to contain a lot more reaches and DOR's doing some serious CYA. Someone did a study of the 2014 Senior Aces and the transfer/retirement rate after only one season! The %'s were amazing...this year looks to be on the same track. I think the arguement could be made that the transfer/retirement rate has more to do with the increasingly early commitments but it does shadow the overall talent evaluation process as well. At the end of the day 95% of the DOR's and HC's look at the measurables. Height, reach, jump, quickness. They think they can coach the intangibles like volleyball IQ, competitiveness, strength, mental strength, work ethic, court awareness, etc. Sometimes they can and many times they can't. But I don't blame them to take the ones that meet the measurables (that you can't coach) first. It only makes sense when they have very limited time watching these kids. Who wouldn't want to start with the best clay. The problem is it leads to some epic fails as well because those intangibles inevitability can't be coached into most players. |
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Post by John Tawa-VolleyballMag.com on Sept 7, 2016 11:36:15 GMT -5
i think a lot of these ratings of ACES are off, sorry... but i don't agree with lots of these this year. i also think it is interesting to note which kids out of these rankings make all-american honors during their 4 years. it's an interesting stat i've seen posted on this forum before.... they seldom "get it right" which is also impossible for pvb to do anywayz. it's all pure hype and opinion, most of these top 30 kids won't ever even see AA honors in college. somebody should repost the all-americans for the past few seasons and notice their senior aces ranking... kind of deems the whole thing useless. if you're a top 100 recruit, the sky is the limit for your potential..... who cares about someone 22 and 25 is better? if they're getting noticed, they are good. there is always a couple kids who are WOWzers and big time gets, but after that, anything is possible for these kids. (FOR EXAMPLE) LSU/Nebraska's Briana Holman was ranked 37 in 2013 for senior aces? uhm? now she's arguably one of the best players in the country.... 1st team all american her sophmore season? 1 example of many! Chris Tobolski of PrepVolleyball.com covers college ball full time for us in the fall and has done this analysis on our site the past couple of years. The top 30 Senior Aces for the current collegiate class include both Tapp sisters, both Rolfzens and Hunter, Chiaka, Ebony and Chloe of Texas, Holston, Abby Cole, Carlini, Reinig...There have been misses too and there will be again this year, but the panels does as good a job as you can of trying to "get it right." |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 7, 2016 11:38:13 GMT -5
If Tawa produced a list this accurate for College Football prospects, he would be a millionaire several times over. The list is surprisingly on point given the incredible variables at play.
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Post by moody on Sept 7, 2016 11:53:51 GMT -5
If Tawa produced a list this accurate for College Football prospects, he would be a millionaire several times over. The list is surprisingly on point given the incredible variables at play. Tawa already is a millionaire several times over |
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Post by ay2013 on Sept 7, 2016 11:58:14 GMT -5
If Tawa produced a list this accurate for College Football prospects, he would be a millionaire several times over. The list is surprisingly on point given the incredible variables at play. Yes agree. |
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 7, 2016 12:39:59 GMT -5
If Tawa produced a list this accurate for College Football prospects, he would be a millionaire several times over. The list is surprisingly on point given the incredible variables at play. People expecting perfection where none is possible. To properly assess Tawa's list, we would need someone else to try their hand at it so we could compare the results. And I mean the performance of the whole list, not just cherry-picking examples post-hoc. |
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Post by John Tawa-VolleyballMag.com on Sept 7, 2016 12:50:45 GMT -5
In good fortune, certainly, but not actual fortune. I'm still banking on my kid to get on the fast track from HS to college to the big leagues. He might then favor me with a ducat or two.
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Post by ay2013 on Sept 7, 2016 12:55:38 GMT -5
JT, after 11-20 are released today will you be doing another competition for top 10 guesses?
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 7, 2016 13:15:49 GMT -5
... most of these top 30 kids won't ever even see AA honors in college. ... At the risk of pointing out the obvious: Of course most of the top 30 won't make an all american team. If I let you publish a list today with perfect 20-20 hindsight from the high school seniors 5 years ago, the best you could do with your top 30 is to pick 5 of last years first team all americans. Why? Because that is all there were! Expand that to the first, second and third teams and you still only have 42 women of which last year only 17 were seniors. Again with your perfect 20-20 hindsight top 30 picking, the very best you could have done is just over half of your top 30 making all american at any level. I'll wager that injuries alone would have reduced that number to less than half, even if the predictions out of high school were more or less perfect. Edited to add: Of the 5 first team AA seniors last year, 2 were foreign, so there were actually only 3 possible AA's from the senior aces 5 years ago! Math... Gotta love it. |
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Post by BuckysHeat on Sept 7, 2016 13:30:17 GMT -5
somebody should repost the all-americans for the past few seasons and notice their senior aces ranking... kind of deems the whole thing useless. I started this about a 6 months ago but after the AVCA changed their website and all-Americans were not easily available I stopped and did not go back to finish. BUT, for the year 2013 senior aces, unranked players who became all Americans in 2015 are: Haleigh Nelson AA 2nd Justine Wong Orantes AA 3rd Jordan Anderson AA HM JANELLE GIORDANO AA HM MORGAN HEISE AA HM Nikki Hess AA HM Lauren Smith AA HM All other all americans who came from that class had been ranked in 2013 at 34 or higher. Of those 34, 15 were all-americans in 2015. Should probably get back to it and finish it if I find the time. The list is on there now in an easy to use excel file so that's one less excuse Edit: Should add that Ebony Nwanebu was injured last season so was not an AA in 2015 but has been in the past as has Briana Holman, both were higher than 34 |
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Post by wiscvball on Sept 7, 2016 13:34:43 GMT -5
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