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Post by yoda on Aug 16, 2019 16:31:45 GMT -5
Double negatives....such as "didn't get me nothing"
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Post by volleylearner on Aug 17, 2019 8:32:48 GMT -5
OK. Your link says the same thing. I do not see how 3 and 5 differ from 2 and 4. They are both restrictive/defining clauses, which is what you said. Screw it. Your link is better--the time machine sentence example is particularly good: In your examples 2 and 4 it is clear to me the clause is critical so the correct wording is "that." For 3, the argument for "which" is that the critical information is taking the letter to the post office. Similarly for 5, the argument for "which" is that the critical information is the tanker entering into the harbor (do tankers really "sail"--never mind). But as with the time machine example, there could be a context where 3 and 5 also should use "that." I also like your link better because he uses commas with "which." That is my preference and is helpful to me in distinguishing the cases. As I said, if "that" works then use I use it, and a "that" clause doesn't work after a comma.
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Post by volleylearner on Aug 17, 2019 8:49:07 GMT -5
I generally know all the grammar and spelling rules, but ultimately, I employ the "ear" test; that is, does it sound okay. Linguists would say this is the true test. The problem for me is I am old and find it very difficult to rev the firmware in my ears. I flinch when I hear things that I was taught were wrong back in the Mesozoic Era but now are considered acceptable, e.g., split infinitives, ending a sentence with a preposition, or using impact as a verb.
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Post by Wolfgang on Aug 19, 2019 17:50:02 GMT -5
where vs. when
Sometimes confusing. Here's an example from something I posted in the "Nebraska 2019" thread.
"I don't know if anyone remembers my post from several months ago when I asked about..."
vs.
"I don't know if anyone remembers my post from several months ago where I asked about..."
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 19, 2019 18:37:03 GMT -5
where vs. when Sometimes confusing. Here's an example from something I posted in the "Nebraska 2019" thread. "I don't know if anyone remembers my post from several months ago when I asked about..." vs. "I don't know if anyone remembers my post from several months ago where I asked about..." This is because people often use distance as a metaphor for time. There is some interesting stuff about that in Steven Pinker's book The Stuff Of Thought.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 16:20:01 GMT -5
My Grammar never did learn to spell. Drove my Grampar crazy.
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