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Post by slackerdad on Oct 3, 2016 20:28:32 GMT -5
It's great to hear that it's growing everywhere. I know several hockey-, skating- and competitive ski-families here in LA, so there isn't any real reason why someone who is committed to playing beach volleyball won't get better. Yes, it may cost more or take more effort to find games; however, if someone wants to be great at anything, they have to be internally motivated to find a way.
I'd venture to guess that we have more good players here who aren't that committed to becoming great. I'm hoping my daughters find that passion. However, If they just "like it enough", I'm happy that they'll have an sport they can play the majority of their lives. You know, "Beach volleyball has been berry, berry good to me" and I hope it is to them.
Lastly, I just assumed politicians everywhere had the same agenda: to get reelected.
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Post by sunger4222 on Oct 4, 2016 7:41:20 GMT -5
I'm sure there are other clubs as well, but the OC Heat Volleyball Club in Tustin has sand courts. If places do in so Cal, I expect they will soon be everywhere. Sports are great for kids in every way imaginable, and I wish you success with your family.
You may be right about the politicians. I recently moved from my lifelong residence in OC to Texas in an effort get away from the outrageous CA taxes. Love it here, except the humidity. Many of my friends will join me as soon as the politicians find a way to dump Prop 13, and they're working on it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2016 11:56:41 GMT -5
Good points well taken, but indoor courts are artificial environments the sand and the elements are simply not the same and never replicate the actual beach conditions. Dealing with the outdoor beach wind and weather is a game changer for most players. Those that master them do well, and those that don't struggle. Many great indoor players from the past have never made the transition to the beach game successfully. California, Florida, and Texas players will always have an advantage in the Beach Game.
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Post by johnbar on Oct 4, 2016 12:45:23 GMT -5
NCAA also requires outdoor courts for competition.
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Post by sunger4222 on Oct 5, 2016 13:46:51 GMT -5
I agree that indoor does not duplicate outdoor, but younger players can learn about footing, platform, leaping, etc. Then, practice on a beach or somewhere outdoors when weather permits to develop additional skills. Kids can't help where they live, but they can make the most of it if they're interested in playing.
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Post by thelat on Oct 8, 2016 11:55:21 GMT -5
Tina Graudina 2017 trains indoors from October to April due to the weather. the top mens team in the world Samoilovs/Smedins also trains indoors in the winter then completing training before the season in Turkey or Spain
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Post by sunger4222 on Oct 17, 2016 15:58:58 GMT -5
Makes sense. A lot can be learned indoors, and improved on when weather permits outdoors. You don't need a beach to play sand.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2016 0:43:12 GMT -5
Yes, even in a warm weather State like Texas the top girls are flying back and fourth to California for national tournaments, HP clinics, local CBVA events, to get to the quality competition. You learn very quickly that chasing a USAV championship or some Florida ROX Championship is not going to cut it. And to make up for the lack of beach time, I'd say participating in a beach club along with and indoor club and HS varsity is a must. Halgren from the Dallas area did this very thing. Played for TAV's top indoor team, and starts for one of the best HS programs in the State.
But here is my question.
If you are 16U and placing in the top 8 teams in AAU events like the National championships and/or West Coast Junior Olympics. Plus hanging with the top ranked California teams in local CBVA tournaments.......Is that something USC/UCLA would be highly interested in? Or, are they looking for some additional credentials on top of this? For instance I read a blurb from a Stanford press release touting how some of their recruits were AA rated in the CBVA. Or perhaps you could do this well in AAU national events and still be considered too small?
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Post by slackerdad on Oct 25, 2016 9:23:09 GMT -5
If you are 16U and placing in the top 8 teams in AAU events like the National championships and/or West Coast Junior Olympics. Plus hanging with the top ranked California teams in local CBVA tournaments.......Is that something USC/UCLA would be highly interested in? Or, are they looking for some additional credentials on top of this? For instance I read a blurb from a Stanford press release touting how some of their recruits were AA rated in the CBVA. Or perhaps you could do this well in AAU national events and still be considered too small? No matter who you are or where you live, you have to be pro-active in your own beach volleyball recruitment. Beach coaches are working on limited recruiting budgets (at least at many of the public schools), so they don't have time, resources or energy to scout every major event. I can't imagine Hawaii doing any scouting outside of their backyard and California or, say, Cal State Northridge going outside of Southern California to look at players. Look at the rosters of schools and figure and you can get some clues about where they are looking. If I were a top 16U beach player, I'd contact the coaches at the schools I were interested in and tell them where I was going to play. I'd send a link of my unedited play vs top teams and a summary of major tournament results, e.g. CBVA AA- or AAA-rated, Calcup, AAU JO. Also include your grades, AP classes, and when you are taking the SAT/ACT. Recruiting rules may prevent them from calling you back, so keep calling and emailing them. Go up to them when you are at a tournament. Again, don't be put off if they don't seem to be able to talk to you or are unwilling as they may not be allowed any contact with you at that time. I'd be shocked if a coach didn't want a CBVA AAA-rated recruit with top grades and scores and most importantly a good attitude regardless of where she trained or grew up.However, said AAA recruit may not get much money! There are only 3 equivalent scholarships at each school now. Assuming a school is fully funding, that's about enough money to buy books for a 20-woman roster. I believe a few top-15 schools don't fully fund their beach programs. If I had to guess, I'd say there were less than 10 beach-only women on "full-ride" scholarships nationwide. Getting back to your situation: I don't think coaches want to "woo" the elite, blue-chip recruit. Beach volleyball is still a growing sport and coaching careers aren't going to be made or destroyed by great or poor recruiting, yet, especially since schools aren't spending big money on the programs. The culture of beach volleyball leads me to believe coaches would prefer recruiting hard working women with great attitudes rather than chase the next superstar. Good luck and make it happen for yourself! |
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Post by downtheline on Oct 25, 2016 9:45:39 GMT -5
Where do you get "only 3 equivalent" scholarship money factoid?
Schools like USC, Pep, FL, etc are playing with a full deck of 6.
For some families just getting their child into a top school via beach is a great critical path into a university. For numerous 5th year seniors jumping into a beach program has created opportunities to earn a graduate degree.
If you don't think coaches are wooing top players you have missed the show going on at the beaches from CA to Hi to FL and now even Europe.
Ever notice the number of foreign players now on beach teams.
The twins from Canada were dropping down to compete at USAV HP camps and tournies for years.
Earning a AAA on a CBVA type level seems like a minimum bellweather. I'd say most of the recruits on a team like USC or UCLA have easily attained that level of play and many if not most were in the USAV HP development program.
Beach coaches are seeking height. If you are 6'2" + and can play and be passionate about training 365 you will have a better chance to find a home in NCAA beach, imho.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2016 10:49:47 GMT -5
Sounds like good advice SD. Thank you. I don't think that earning a rating AA or AAA from the CBVA is much of a possibility for out of State players, at most we would be in California 2 or 3 weeks. Our plan now is to basically make the the AAU National Championship and JO's our top priority , play in 3 or 4 Cal Cup events and to keep track of the HP and top ranked CBVA girls we beat along the way. We had a bad experience with HP tryouts and I really don't care for a process where you can't earn your way onto the roster and control your destiny. It's a few coaches acting as gatekeepers, making human errors, and frankly I think political considerations came into play.
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Post by slackerdad on Oct 25, 2016 11:42:05 GMT -5
Where do you get "only 3 equivalent" scholarship money factoid? Schools like USC, Pep, FL, etc are playing with a full deck of 6. For some families just getting their child into a top school via beach is a great critical path into a university. For numerous 5th year seniors jumping into a beach program has created opportunities to earn a graduate degree. If you don't think coaches are wooing top players you have missed the show going on at the beaches from CA to Hi to FL and now even Europe. Ever notice the number of foreign players now on beach teams. The twins from Canada were dropping down to compete at USAV HP camps and tournies for years. Earning a AAA on a CBVA type level seems like a minimum bellweather. I'd say most of the recruits on a team like USC or UCLA have easily attained that level of play and many if not most were in the USAV HP development program. Beach coaches are seeking height. If you are 6'2" + and can play and be passionate about training 365 you will have a better chance to find a home in NCAA beach, imho. I've been basing the 3 equivalent scholarships on this: www.scholarshipstats.com/sandvolleyball.htmlIf that information is outdated, please correct me. I'd also like to know how many beach-only athletes are on full scholarship, specifically at Florida. And re: height. Are you aware that there are more there beach volleyball All-Americans under 6' than over? Katie Spieler is 5'5". How many beach programs would she not be on the 1s team? Your statement is akin to saying "If you are 7'3" you will have a better chance to make a basketball team". Sure, height can be a great advantage but on the beach skill still trumps athleticism. Have you seen how many tall/athletic indoor players don't transition well to the beach? I don't want to discourage the OP from not pursuing playing collegiately if she's under 6'2". |
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Post by slackerdad on Oct 25, 2016 12:40:09 GMT -5
Sounds like good advice SD. Thank you. I don't think that earning a rating AA or AAA from the CBVA is much of a possibility for out of State players, at most we would be in California 2 or 3 weeks. Our plan now is to basically make the the AAU National Championship and JO's our top priority , play in 3 or 4 Cal Cup events and to keep track of the HP and top ranked CBVA girls we beat along the way. We had a bad experience with HP tryouts and I really don't care for a process where you can't earn your way onto the roster and control your destiny. It's a few coaches acting as gatekeepers, making human errors, and frankly I think political considerations came into play. You can get a CBVA AAA rating by playing in any AAA rated tournament (or AA rated if there are enough teams). Just a $25 membership and $50/team will let you play. Many out-of-state girls play in youth tournaments in the summer so there is no reason why you can't sign up for an adult one. Let the coaches know you'll be there and if you get your rating, you're already way ahead of most other recruits. The youth tournaments in California generally don't have the same level of competition (unless it's the Calcup or a tourstop), so winning one of those isn't as impressive. I'm not too familiar with USAV HP training but my take is that it's expensive and the selection process seems political. To me, it looks like a typical USAV money-grab for mostly affluent families who want to boast about "being on the the A1 team". I put more weight on a AAA-player that plays AVP qualifiers than a USAV HP A1 player. A girl who consistently qualifies for the Calcup or wins CBVA youth tournaments with different partners would also be more impressive than someone on the USAV roster. For indoor volleyball, it's harder to compare across teams, clubs and regions, so I guess I'd put more weight on USAV HP than if a specific girl's team had success at nationals. |
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Post by johnbar on Oct 25, 2016 12:53:08 GMT -5
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