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Post by lesmizuno on Oct 27, 2016 23:21:35 GMT -5
Nebraska is the only BIG 10 school with Beach Volleyball. Does anyone have an ear to the ground and know if any other BIG schools will add the sport? I also raise this question because the defending indoor National Champions have the only beach program in the conference. I have a feeling some other schools could be jealous.
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Post by Viki on Oct 28, 2016 12:10:30 GMT -5
Believe it or not, I do recall some murmurs about Michigan. Of all places snow ridden MI. I would LOVE to see this happen. I actually think that were they to get a good coach, they could compete well.
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Post by Viki on Oct 28, 2016 12:11:47 GMT -5
The rest of the B1G could camp out in the lou for all I care. '-)
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Post by haze on Oct 28, 2016 12:52:07 GMT -5
Big 10 has a strangle hold on the best indoor conference in college and something tells me they just don't care about Beach as a conference, as well as a good majority of the programs.
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Post by BuckysHeat on Oct 28, 2016 14:01:38 GMT -5
I cannot imagine the big ten putting much if any attention towards beach for many reasons including the most obvious - snow in most places for up to 6 months of the year (Oct-May north, Dec-Mar southern and even into April). Facilities/open space would need to be found, probably built and maintained, there is only so much money to go around if your sport isn't football.
There are good tournaments in the midwest but I cannot imagine a scenario in which Beach is established or even attempted collegiately in Big ten territory
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Oct 28, 2016 16:13:05 GMT -5
I've had a couple of Big 10 coaches tell me that they would like to add beach...and then list the reasons they won't (weather, travel, budget). I'd be surprised to see anyone from the Big 10 adding beach in the foreseeable future.
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Post by guest2 on Oct 28, 2016 17:07:08 GMT -5
Does it have to be outdoors? Maybe if one of those schools had a good indoor beach facility nearby?
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Post by johnbar on Oct 28, 2016 17:15:10 GMT -5
NCAA requires beach VB competition be played outside (except in dangerous weather).
Of course, if enough Big Ten schools pushed, maybe the rule could be changed.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Oct 28, 2016 19:20:51 GMT -5
If Minnesota, to pull a name out the hat, went to the NCAA with a design for a three court indoor facility, there's about a 99% chance it would be OK'd.
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Post by slackerdad on Oct 28, 2016 20:31:29 GMT -5
I think the only compelling reason for Big 10 schools to add a beach program is if they start losing coveted indoor recruits to those that want to play both.
That was my take on why Nebraska added beach. I'd love to know if that factored into Justine Wong-Orantes' decision to play there as she was the youngest player to ever earn a AAA beach rating.
I think a fewer and fewer will try to play both. The HS and Club indoor volleyball season has gotten longer and longer (from August to June here in Southern California) with no sign of the trend reversing. It will be harder for the elite indoor players to keep up with the increasing number of beach-only players. Not to mention the risk of injury acute or chronic from overuse.
Some skills transfer well from indoor to beach, namely serving, but defense and reading on the beach are very unique skills and can only be developed by playing lots of doubles. Karch was such a phenomenal defender for the UCLA & USA teams because he learned to read hitters on the beach. This is where I see most really good indoor players struggle and get frustrated. When a 5'6" woman who has been playing beach for 10 years touches every ball on defense and simply shoots the ball where no one can touch it on offense, it makes people want to quit.
The beach-only players are getting better much faster and I think one will have to commit to one or the other if they want to play at the D1 level. Good athletes can play both in high school, but to really excel at one, you have to play full-time by the time your 16 or so. If you compare the original "sand" volleyball matches from 2 years ago to today, you will be amazed at the difference in skill. Check them out on youtube or I can dig up some links if there is any interest.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Oct 28, 2016 22:11:29 GMT -5
I think the only compelling reason for Big 10 schools to add a beach program is if they start losing coveted indoor recruits to those that want to play both. That was my take on why Nebraska added beach. I'd love to know if that factored into Justine Wong-Orantes' decision to play there as she was the youngest player to ever earn a AAA beach rating.I think a fewer and fewer will try to play both. The HS and Club indoor volleyball season has gotten longer and longer (from August to June here in Southern California) with no sign of the trend reversing. It will be harder for the elite indoor players to keep up with the increasing number of beach-only players. Not to mention the risk of injury acute or chronic from overuse. Some skills transfer well from indoor to beach, namely serving, but defense and reading on the beach are very unique skills and can only be developed by playing lots of doubles. Karch was such a phenomenal defender for the UCLA & USA teams because he learned to read hitters on the beach. This is where I see most really good indoor players struggle and get frustrated. When a 5'6" woman who has been playing beach for 10 years touches every ball on defense and simply shoots the ball where no one can touch it on offense, it makes people want to quit. The beach-only players are getting better much faster and I think one will have to commit to one or the other if they want to play at the D1 level. Good athletes can play both in high school, but to really excel at one, you have to play full-time by the time your 16 or so. If you compare the original "sand" volleyball matches from 2 years ago to today, you will be amazed at the difference in skill. Check them out on youtube or I can dig up some links if there is any interest. It was not a significant factor in her decision. |
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Post by downtheline on Oct 29, 2016 2:42:19 GMT -5
I think the only compelling reason for Big 10 schools to add a beach program is if they start losing coveted indoor recruits to those that want to play both. That was my take on why Nebraska added beach. I'd love to know if that factored into Justine Wong-Orantes' decision to play there as she was the youngest player to ever earn a AAA beach rating.I think a fewer and fewer will try to play both. The HS and Club indoor volleyball season has gotten longer and longer (from August to June here in Southern California) with no sign of the trend reversing. It will be harder for the elite indoor players to keep up with the increasing number of beach-only players. Not to mention the risk of injury acute or chronic from overuse. Some skills transfer well from indoor to beach, namely serving, but defense and reading on the beach are very unique skills and can only be developed by playing lots of doubles. Karch was such a phenomenal defender for the UCLA & USA teams because he learned to read hitters on the beach. This is where I see most really good indoor players struggle and get frustrated. When a 5'6" woman who has been playing beach for 10 years touches every ball on defense and simply shoots the ball where no one can touch it on offense, it makes people want to quit. The beach-only players are getting better much faster and I think one will have to commit to one or the other if they want to play at the D1 level. Good athletes can play both in high school, but to really excel at one, you have to play full-time by the time your 16 or so. If you compare the original "sand" volleyball matches from 2 years ago to today, you will be amazed at the difference in skill. Check them out on youtube or I can dig up some links if there is any interest. It was not a significant factor in her decision. Well in a huge way it was. JWO knew that by going to Nebraska she was essentially giving up competing for a sand & now beach championship. Given her competitiveness in the beach game it was a big deal to step off that stage before it was even set. We all know she has lead The Huskers valiant sand efforts but it's not what she would really want. The NCAA championship committee killed that dream for 100's of girls that could have battled for a pairs championship, including Justine if Cook would have let them go. |
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Post by gobruins on Oct 29, 2016 4:52:21 GMT -5
It was not a significant factor in her decision. Well in a huge way it was. JWO knew that by going to Nebraska she was essentially giving up competing for a sand & now beach championship. Given her competitiveness in the beach game it was a big deal to step off that stage before it was even set. We all know she has lead The Huskers valiant sand efforts but it's not what she would really want. The NCAA championship committee killed that dream for 100's of girls that could have battled for a pairs championship, including Justine if Cook would have let them go. If Wong-Orantes want to play beach, she can transfer this winter, and still play 2 years for a beach program. |
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Post by downtheline on Oct 29, 2016 11:37:38 GMT -5
So your saying the 4 years she played sand/beach for Nebraska doesn't count against her? Is this because ?
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Post by johnbar on Oct 29, 2016 16:52:32 GMT -5
If Minnesota, to pull a name out the hat, went to the NCAA with a design for a three court indoor facility, there's about a 99% chance it would be OK'd. Yeah, sounds plausible. |
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