D1 Transfers (2017)

[smacky]

Hiya, I noticed that Carly Kan is listed as a Senior transfer from Mizzou to Hawaii in 2017 for Beach Volleyball.  She will have used four years of eligibility for indoor VB and will graduate at Mizzou before returning to Hawaii to go to Medical School.  It seems odd to call this a transfer, but maybe just because I don't know the rules for Beach VB eligibility after exhausting four years indoors.  Do some of you gurus know how that works?

At any rate, I have a feeling Carly will excel at competitive Beach play.  She's an amazing young woman and one of the best overall student athletes I've encountered.

[rainbowbadger]

Dec 8, 2016 0:19:47 GMT -5 bill said:

tell you what, you make these kids sit a year, no matter what, and the transferring and early commit crap will be curtailed big time!!

I wonder about this. Has WBB, for example, always had the one-year sit-out rule? Does WBB have fewer transfers than WVB? If so, is that due to the fact that players commit later, or the sit-out rule? How are these related?

I wonder if imposing the sit-out rule on VB at this point would decrease the number of early commitments and transfers.

I seem to remember Rich Kern at one point running numbers showing that early commitment wasn't correlated specifically with increased likelihood of transferring. So I'm skeptical.

[garnet04]

Dec 8, 2016 7:06:47 GMT -5 smacky said:

Hiya, I noticed that Carly Kan is listed as a Senior transfer from Mizzou to Hawaii in 2017 for Beach Volleyball.  She will have used four years of eligibility for indoor VB and will graduate at Mizzou before returning to Hawaii to go to Medical School.  It seems odd to call this a transfer, but maybe just because I don't know the rules for Beach VB eligibility after exhausting four years indoors.  Do some of you gurus know how that works?

At any rate, I have a feeling Carly will excel at competitive Beach play.  She's an amazing young woman and one of the best overall student athletes I've encountered.

Not a guru but beach eligibility is separate from indoor in some circumstances as evidenced by Amy Neal playing 4 years for Texas and graduating but now is in grad school at TCU and preparing to play beach this upcoming season. I understand if a player plays both indoor and beach the same school year, her scholarship counts as an indoor one. This prevents indoor players being "hidden" on the beach roster.
Another surprise (to me) quirk of the system is exemplified by Andie Malloy. My understanding is she played her freshman year at Iowa State in the Big 12. She then transferred to Baylor (also Big12) , had to sit out of volleyball her sophomore year and also lost a year of eligibility in the Big 12 due conference rules. She played her junior and senior years at Baylor and graduated. She is now in grad school and playing for Nebraska thus completing 4 years of playing within 5 years. So there must be an anomaly between Big 12 and NCAA rules.

[wishinwestcoastvb]

Curious to see where Meredith Jewell will end up. She was stellar coming out of high school, but committed to a struggling program and was basically their team. Part of me is skeptical about if she can play at a high-ish level considering who she has been surrounded by the past few years. I wish her nothing but the best.

[wishinwestcoastvb]

Also, not surprised to see Burke leave Ohio

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Dec 8, 2016 10:02:25 GMT -5 garnet04 said:

Dec 8, 2016 7:06:47 GMT -5 smacky said:

Hiya, I noticed that Carly Kan is listed as a Senior transfer from Mizzou to Hawaii in 2017 for Beach Volleyball.  She will have used four years of eligibility for indoor VB and will graduate at Mizzou before returning to Hawaii to go to Medical School.  It seems odd to call this a transfer, but maybe just because I don't know the rules for Beach VB eligibility after exhausting four years indoors.  Do some of you gurus know how that works?

At any rate, I have a feeling Carly will excel at competitive Beach play.  She's an amazing young woman and one of the best overall student athletes I've encountered.

Not a guru but beach eligibility is separate from indoor in some circumstances as evidenced by Amy Neal playing 4 years for Texas and graduating but now is in grad school at TCU and preparing to play beach this upcoming season. I understand if a player plays both indoor and beach the same school year, her scholarship counts as an indoor one. This prevents indoor players being "hidden" on the beach roster.
Another surprise (to me) quirk of the system is exemplified by Andie Malloy. My understanding is she played her freshman year at Iowa State in the Big 12. She then transferred to Baylor (also Big12) , had to sit out of volleyball her sophomore year and also lost a year of eligibility in the Big 12 due conference rules. She played her junior and senior years at Baylor and graduated. She is now in grad school and playing for Nebraska thus completing 4 years of playing within 5 years. So there must be an anomaly between Big 12 and NCAA rules.

Everyone has a fifth year of eligibility to compete in another sport, redshirt, etc.  Some players use that season in track and field or basketball; Kan, Neal, and many others used that fifth year to play beach.  (You could play 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 indoors and 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 beach if you wanted.  Competing two sports in the same season is fine.)

Malloy used a graduate transfer waiver to compete this season:

Graduate Transfer Waiver



The graduate transfer waiver is now typically used by athletes who have previous transferred once before and so cannot use the one-time transfer exception (even as a graduate student).



A letter from the previous school saying it does not object to the student-athlete being eligible;



Documentation that the student-athlete has been accepted into a specific graduate degree program;



Documentation about whether that degree program is offered by the previous school;

A student-athlete statement including the reasons for the transfer; and



A statement from the previous institution about the student-athlete’s status on the team.



Generally the heart of the waiver is the three middle bullets. The NCAA wants to see that the student-athlete transferred in order to continue his or her academic career by pursuing a graduate degree not offered at the previous school.

[rainbowbadger]

Dec 8, 2016 10:15:02 GMT -5 @gopherfan said:

Dec 8, 2016 10:02:25 GMT -5 garnet04 said:

Not a guru but beach eligibility is separate from indoor in some circumstances as evidenced by Amy Neal playing 4 years for Texas and graduating but now is in grad school at TCU and preparing to play beach this upcoming season. I understand if a player plays both indoor and beach the same school year, her scholarship counts as an indoor one. This prevents indoor players being "hidden" on the beach roster.
Another surprise (to me) quirk of the system is exemplified by Andie Malloy. My understanding is she played her freshman year at Iowa State in the Big 12. She then transferred to Baylor (also Big12) , had to sit out of volleyball her sophomore year and also lost a year of eligibility in the Big 12 due conference rules. She played her junior and senior years at Baylor and graduated. She is now in grad school and playing for Nebraska thus completing 4 years of playing within 5 years. So there must be an anomaly between Big 12 and NCAA rules.

Everyone has a fifth year of eligibility to compete in another sport, redshirt, etc.  Some players use that season in track and field or basketball; Kan, Neal, and many others used that fifth year to play beach.  (You could play 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016 indoors and 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 beach if you wanted.  Competing two sports in the same season is fine.)

Malloy used a graduate transfer waiver to compete this season:

Graduate Transfer Waiver

The graduate transfer waiver is now typically used by athletes who have previous transferred once before and so cannot use the one-time transfer exception (even as a graduate student).

A letter from the previous school saying it does not object to the student-athlete being eligible;

Documentation that the student-athlete has been accepted into a specific graduate degree program;

Documentation about whether that degree program is offered by the previous school;

A student-athlete statement including the reasons for the transfer; and

A statement from the previous institution about the student-athlete’s status on the team.

Generally the heart of the waiver is the three middle bullets. The NCAA wants to see that the student-athlete transferred in order to continue his or her academic career by pursuing a graduate degree not offered at the previous school.

I didn't know Nebraska offered a MASTERS in event planning as well.

[Socleanclean]

Ashley Brown chooses Washington State.

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Dec 8, 2016 10:06:42 GMT -5 wishinwestcoastvb said:

Curious to see where Meredith Jewell will end up. She was stellar coming out of high school, but committed to a struggling program and was basically their team. Part of me is skeptical about if she can play at a high-ish level considering who she has been surrounded by the past few years. I wish her nothing but the best.

Actually Rich Kern lists Meredit Jewell as commiting to Morehead on 4/22/2013
, at which point they were not a struggling program. 2012 the season immediately before her commitment they were 26-7 and 16-0 in conference. 2013 the season immediately after her commitment they were 27-8 and 15-1 in conference. So in reality she commited to a strong program, who went downhill. I'm guessing that may have something to do with it, she thought she was entering a successful program and has not had that experience while there.

[wishinwestcoastvb]

Dec 8, 2016 11:24:10 GMT -5 @2coldvb22 said:

Dec 8, 2016 10:06:42 GMT -5 wishinwestcoastvb said:

Curious to see where Meredith Jewell will end up. She was stellar coming out of high school, but committed to a struggling program and was basically their team. Part of me is skeptical about if she can play at a high-ish level considering who she has been surrounded by the past few years. I wish her nothing but the best.

Actually Rich Kern lists Meredit Jewell as commiting to Morehead on 4/22/2013
, at which point they were not a struggling program. 2012 the season immediately before her commitment they were 26-7 and 16-0 in conference. 2013 the season immediately after her commitment they were 27-8 and 15-1 in conference. So in reality she commited to a strong program, who went downhill. I'm guessing that may have something to do with it, she thought she was entering a successful program and has not had that experience while there.

Oh didnt remember that. I do believe that 2014 was a very bad season though. Thanks

[geddyleeridesagain]

Dec 8, 2016 9:39:38 GMT -5 rainbowbadger said:

Dec 8, 2016 0:19:47 GMT -5 bill said:

tell you what, you make these kids sit a year, no matter what, and the transferring and early commit crap will be curtailed big time!!

I wonder about this. Has WBB, for example, always had the one-year sit-out rule? Does WBB have fewer transfers than WVB? If so, is that due to the fact that players commit later, or the sit-out rule? How are these related?

I wonder if imposing the sit-out rule on VB at this point would decrease the number of early commitments and transfers.

I seem to remember Rich Kern at one point running numbers showing that early commitment wasn't correlated specifically with increased likelihood of transferring. So I'm skeptical.

Football, MBB, and WBB transfers are at an all time high right now - for instance, ESPN has been listing MBB D1 transfers since 2007. That year had about 200 names on it. The 2016 list had just short of 1,000. Clearly, the one-year sit rule is not discouraging kids from making a move.

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Dec 8, 2016 12:22:16 GMT -5 wishinwestcoastvb said:

Dec 8, 2016 11:24:10 GMT -5 @2coldvb22 said:

Actually Rich Kern lists Meredit Jewell as commiting to Morehead on 4/22/2013
, at which point they were not a struggling program. 2012 the season immediately before her commitment they were 26-7 and 16-0 in conference. 2013 the season immediately after her commitment they were 27-8 and 15-1 in conference. So in reality she commited to a strong program, who went downhill. I'm guessing that may have something to do with it, she thought she was entering a successful program and has not had that experience while there.

Oh didnt remember that. I do believe that 2014 was a very bad season though. Thanks

Yes you are correct, 2014 (year before her arrival, but the season she signed in the middle of) they were 3-23, 3-18 in conference. 

[wishinwestcoastvb]

Ashley Brown from Oklahoma to Washington State via Instagram

[n00b]

Dec 8, 2016 10:06:42 GMT -5 wishinwestcoastvb said:

Curious to see where Meredith Jewell will end up. She was stellar coming out of high school, but committed to a struggling program and was basically their team. Part of me is skeptical about if she can play at a high-ish level considering who she has been surrounded by the past few years. I wish her nothing but the best.

Is it public somewhere that she's transferring?

[wishinwestcoastvb]

Dec 8, 2016 15:05:19 GMT -5 n00b said:

Dec 8, 2016 10:06:42 GMT -5 wishinwestcoastvb said:

Curious to see where Meredith Jewell will end up. She was stellar coming out of high school, but committed to a struggling program and was basically their team. Part of me is skeptical about if she can play at a high-ish level considering who she has been surrounded by the past few years. I wish her nothing but the best.

Is it public somewhere that she's transferring?

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