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Post by ProfessorPlum on Dec 1, 2016 16:47:26 GMT -5
Preseason All ACC setter, Iowa's Libero, Top 3 SEC Middle, Mich Top 2 hitter, Wisc starting DS, Dayton's Top Hitter, GT All ACC OH, Duke starting OH, Ariz Middle, 2018 Top Auburn OH and 2018 Top UNC OH. That's just to name a few impact players from that area that slipped away! I have a problem or two or three or...with this... 1) Some kids want to go out of state or out of region 2) Those great kids who went elsewhere, may no have fit into what that coach was looking for in that position. 3) You line up 10 coaches to evaluate an athlete, you will probably get 7 or 8 different opinions 4) Doesn't this coach et credit for the top talent she took away from coaches in other regions 5) The big DI schools are recruiting a year, probably two, in advance. Meaning they are taking commitments from juniors and sophomores in high school. Sure the kid she let get away turned out to be fantastic, but as a sophomore, maybe she was not what coach was looking for, for whatever reason. Recruiting is far, FAR from an exact science. Are some people better than others? Absolutely. But this type of evaluation can be less than fair due to all the factors involved. I agree with everything your saying. I was just listing some examples to support VbShrinks claim. And I gave examples over a 6-7 year window to the point of early recruiting. I'm no expert on UGA volleyball or vb recruiting but there are some examples locally to support VbShrinks hypothesis. But you're correct, maybe none of them wanted to stay close to home.
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Post by karellen on Dec 1, 2016 17:01:51 GMT -5
I have a problem or two or three or...with this... 1) Some kids want to go out of state or out of region 2) Those great kids who went elsewhere, may no have fit into what that coach was looking for in that position. 3) You line up 10 coaches to evaluate an athlete, you will probably get 7 or 8 different opinions 4) Doesn't this coach et credit for the top talent she took away from coaches in other regions 5) The big DI schools are recruiting a year, probably two, in advance. Meaning they are taking commitments from juniors and sophomores in high school. Sure the kid she let get away turned out to be fantastic, but as a sophomore, maybe she was not what coach was looking for, for whatever reason. Recruiting is far, FAR from an exact science. Are some people better than others? Absolutely. But this type of evaluation can be less than fair due to all the factors involved. I agree with everything your saying. I was just listing some examples to support VbShrinks claim. And I gave examples over a 6-7 year window to the point of early recruiting. I'm no expert on UGA volleyball or vb recruiting but there are some examples locally to support VbShrinks hypothesis. But you're correct, maybe none of them wanted to stay close to home. And it could be a legitimate analysis, I just have never liked it due to all the factors. The least of which, I think, is the athlete wanting to leave the area. I think the toughest part is evaluating when athletes are still so young and developing that it is tough trying to project where they will be 2 - 3 years down the road when a coach really needs them to contribute.
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Post by itsallrelative on Dec 1, 2016 17:22:39 GMT -5
5) The big DI schools are recruiting a year, probably two, in advance. Meaning they are taking commitments from juniors and sophomores in high school. Sure the kid she let get away turned out to be fantastic, but as a sophomore, maybe she was not what coach was looking for, for whatever reason. some of the bigger schools are accepting commitments from freshman. Right now, per Rich Kern, there are 812 class of 2017 D1 commits. 336 class of 2018 D1 commits. 60 class of 2019 D1 commits. 7 class of 2020 D1 commits. (by the way, if you aren't a member of Richkern.com, you should be. the data is well, well worth the money). turning a program around in 3-4 years is pretty tough when the recruiting board is picked over already for two years before you start.
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Post by vbshrink on Dec 1, 2016 17:25:00 GMT -5
Preseason All ACC setter, Iowa's Libero, Top 3 SEC Middle, Mich Top 2 hitter, Wisc starting DS, Dayton's Top Hitter, GT All ACC OH, Duke starting OH, Ariz Middle, 2018 Top Auburn OH and 2018 Top UNC OH. That's just to name a few impact players from that area that slipped away! I have a problem or two or three or...with this... 1) Some kids want to go out of state or out of region 2) Those great kids who went elsewhere, may no have fit into what that coach was looking for in that position. 3) You line up 10 coaches to evaluate an athlete, you will probably get 7 or 8 different opinions 4) Doesn't this coach et credit for the top talent she took away from coaches in other regions 5) The big DI schools are recruiting a year, probably two, in advance. Meaning they are taking commitments from juniors and sophomores in high school. Sure the kid she let get away turned out to be fantastic, but as a sophomore, maybe she was not what coach was looking for, for whatever reason. Recruiting is far, FAR from an exact science. Are some people better than others? Absolutely. But this type of evaluation can be less than fair due to all the factors involved. 1. Absolutely. Auburn, Duke, UNC, and some SEC schools, however, are in region. No one is saying she had to get them all. But she was undone by not getting enough of them. 2. Again, possibly true. However, some of these recruits are blue chip and "plug'n'play" - and it's not like UGA was doing something unusual with its personnel, style of play, or strategy. 3. No doubt, and this may be part of the problem with Stemke. There was just not enough talent in her program. Were they recruiting misses or missed evaluations? Does not matter now. 4. Some, but again, there were just not enough top players in the program from any region. 5. I don't get this point. Or maybe it's that I just don't see this point as being different from #3. There is no question that recruiting isn't an exact science. But she had six years and not a lot of success after year 3.
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Post by karellen on Dec 1, 2016 17:32:52 GMT -5
I have a problem or two or three or...with this... 1) Some kids want to go out of state or out of region 2) Those great kids who went elsewhere, may no have fit into what that coach was looking for in that position. 3) You line up 10 coaches to evaluate an athlete, you will probably get 7 or 8 different opinions 4) Doesn't this coach et credit for the top talent she took away from coaches in other regions 5) The big DI schools are recruiting a year, probably two, in advance. Meaning they are taking commitments from juniors and sophomores in high school. Sure the kid she let get away turned out to be fantastic, but as a sophomore, maybe she was not what coach was looking for, for whatever reason. Recruiting is far, FAR from an exact science. Are some people better than others? Absolutely. But this type of evaluation can be less than fair due to all the factors involved. 1. Absolutely. Auburn, Duke, UNC, and some SEC schools, however, are in region. No one is saying she had to get them all. But she was undone by not getting enough of them. 2. Again, possibly true. However, some of these recruits are blue chip and "plug'n'play" - and it's not like UGA was doing something unusual with its personnel, style of play, or strategy. 3. No doubt, and this may be part of the problem with Stemke. There was just not enough talent in her program. Were they recruiting misses or missed evaluations? Does not matter now. 4. Some, but again, there were just not enough top players in the program from any region. 5. I don't get this point. Or maybe it's that I just don't see this point as being different from #3. There is no question that recruiting isn't an exact science. But she had six years and not a lot of success after year 3. I see how you think #5 is same as #3 - they are certainly related. My point was the youth of recruits is a major difficulty when it comes to choosing what players to go after.
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Post by ProfessorPlum on Dec 1, 2016 17:59:54 GMT -5
I agree with everything your saying. I was just listing some examples to support VbShrinks claim. And I gave examples over a 6-7 year window to the point of early recruiting. I'm no expert on UGA volleyball or vb recruiting but there are some examples locally to support VbShrinks hypothesis. But you're correct, maybe none of them wanted to stay close to home. And it could be a legitimate analysis, I just have never liked it due to all the factors. The least of which, I think, is the athlete wanting to leave the area. I think the toughest part is evaluating when athletes are still so young and developing that it is tough trying to project where they will be 2 - 3 years down the road when a coach really needs them to contribute. This is the main reason the transfer rate will continue to sky rocket! It's hard for the coach to project 2-3 years out and I would argue even harder for a 15 year old to project 2-3 years out!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2016 20:21:48 GMT -5
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Post by vboldskool on Dec 2, 2016 10:59:56 GMT -5
I know the last few seasons haven't been stellar, but I'll admit I am surprised.
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Post by sizzlincatfish on Dec 2, 2016 11:13:03 GMT -5
I know the last few seasons haven't been stellar, but I'll admit I am surprised. Very surprising. Carr does a great job and has won 5 conference titles!
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Post by vboldskool on Dec 2, 2016 11:53:27 GMT -5
I know the last few seasons haven't been stellar, but I'll admit I am surprised. Very surprising. Carr does a great job and has won 5 conference titles! I remember when she won those first three - she was a hot name for bigger jobs, but she never jumped. Best wishes to her, I hope this isn't health or success related.
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Post by settercoach on Dec 2, 2016 12:35:51 GMT -5
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Post by vboldskool on Dec 2, 2016 13:09:11 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 13:13:41 GMT -5
Very surprising. Carr does a great job and has won 5 conference titles! I remember when she won those first three - she was a hot name for bigger jobs, but she never jumped. Best wishes to her, I hope this isn't health or success related. Yes, I hope she is well and will miss seeing her out there.
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Post by yourmom on Dec 2, 2016 14:34:21 GMT -5
My first post! Yea!
Delaware is getting hitting with a lot of resumes. Will be doing interviews at the convention.
Might be more than a DOVO job opening at Tennessee
Angela Mooney left Ole Miss to look for head coaching jobs. Good luck to her.
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Post by coachwpassion on Dec 2, 2016 15:22:05 GMT -5
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