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Post by rainbowbadger on Dec 4, 2016 19:30:51 GMT -5
I've heard many of those things before, but it seems like the main one would be the travel issue for parents. Because, otherwise, why do landlocked islands like Happy Valley and Lincoln do so well? Anyhow, if I were 1) really good at volleyball, 2) a female, and 3) a teenager I'd be sorely tempted. I am none of those things, however. The sad thing is the one I am closest to being is a female. Just the one chromosome off. Don't underestimate the culture fit. How many players have we heard say that they went on a visit to the school they committed to and they "just knew" or "everything felt right"? They can't put their finger on what it was that made that school "the one" and why other schools weren't. High level recruits could very well go visit Hawaii and have something just feel off.
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Post by 2left on Dec 4, 2016 19:30:52 GMT -5
Wolfgang - I agree with all of your points, sadly including #2C. It wasn't always like that, but the P5 schools have permanently changed the landscape of college sports in their favor. And with internet connectivity that we didn't have growing up, the world is a much smaller place and kids are more eager to see the world themselves. Hawaii volleyball is an exception in the way of facilities and support, but can't completely overcome all of your other good points.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Dec 4, 2016 19:33:08 GMT -5
I have a hard time believing that Dave didn't offer a single one of them. Or does he do the thing where he saves schollies for out of state players and expects local girls to walk on? I didn't get the impression Mau was highly recruited. But maybe I totally misunderstood that from the get-go. I think you're right, but she was a serious diamond in the rough, with a combo of flashes of brilliance and raw athleticism, and seems like SUCH a Shoji kid in that department, by which I mean the kind he would bring on and develop into a lights-out player. Of all the ones that got away, Mau is the most surprising to me for that reason.
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Post by Courtside5 on Dec 4, 2016 19:34:30 GMT -5
I have a hard time believing that Dave didn't offer a single one of them. Or does he do the thing where he saves schollies for out of state players and expects local girls to walk on? Remember that there are a limited number of scholarships. Mau and Kan were in the same year as Taylor and Higgins. Both of those recruits did very well at their schools, but did not come in as being highly touted. If you take one of them, you have to give up giving a scholarship to Taylor or Higgins. Not sure about Anae, but Shoji has done a very nice job of keeping the local girls in Hawaii. There really aren't a lot of players that you can say "got away" from Hawaii over the years. Also many young local girls dream of becoming a Wahine. Unfortunately yes, there aren't enough scholies to go around.
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Post by wishinwestcoastvb on Dec 4, 2016 20:08:29 GMT -5
I would've taken Mau, Kan, or Anae over ANY outside Hawaii had. Maybe except Mitchem since she only played one month on the OH.
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Post by Courtside5 on Dec 4, 2016 20:13:42 GMT -5
I would've taken Mau, Kan, or Anae over ANY outside Hawaii had. Maybe except Mitchem since she only played one month on the OH. Marijuana licenses haven't been issued yet so you need to quit smoking before they do. I wouldn't have taken them over Nikki.
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Post by wishinwestcoastvb on Dec 4, 2016 20:15:24 GMT -5
I would've taken Mau, Kan, or Anae over ANY outside Hawaii had. Maybe except Mitchem since she only played one month on the OH. Marijuana licenses haven't been issued yet so you need to quit smoking before they do. I wouldn't have taken them over Nikki. Nikki Taylor plays OPPOSITE, not OUTSIDE
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Post by pineapple on Dec 4, 2016 20:20:08 GMT -5
I also don't understand why elite recruits don't flock to UH. Seems like volleyball paradise to me, and not just in the pun-sense. I know there's more to school than your sport, but still ... Parents don't want their daughters fresh out of high school to live in the middle of the Pacific Ocean on tiny islands. A month's vacation is a dream come true. Six month's stay is risky. One year, oh! Four years, you crazy? Hurricanes, tsunamis, and volcanos. Islands might sink. Seriously, you can't go home by car or train on Spring breaks, Christmas, and Thanksgiving. it's too expensive, cumbersome, and hectic by air. You can't watch your daughter play live without costing you $$$$. This was discussed before. It's basically the same reason why NCAA is reluctant to have regionals in Hawaii. We are a victim of our own circumstances. But it's really ok because these very circumstances make Hawaii so unique and alluring.
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Post by Courtside5 on Dec 4, 2016 20:25:57 GMT -5
Marijuana licenses haven't been issued yet so you need to quit smoking before they do. I wouldn't have taken them over Nikki. Nikki Taylor plays OPPOSITE, not OUTSIDE Okay maybe I need to quit before they do. Lol.
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Post by Wolfgang on Dec 4, 2016 20:29:59 GMT -5
I've heard many of those things before, but it seems like the main one would be the travel issue for parents. Because, otherwise, why do landlocked islands like Happy Valley and Lincoln do so well? Anyhow, if I were 1) really good at volleyball, 2) a female, and 3) a teenager I'd be sorely tempted. I am none of those things, however. The sad thing is the one I am closest to being is a female. Just the one chromosome off. You're equating landlocked Happy Valley and Lincoln to the islands in the Pacific Ocean? Are you mad? Talk about false equivalents! You can hop on a car and drive to Happy Valley and Lincoln. You can't do the same when traveling to Hawaii. There's always another party you have to contact first -- the airlines. And it'll cost you $$$. Also, you can't just compare one criterion -- landlocked-ness vs. ocean locked-ness. Penn State and Nebraska both belong to the Big Ten (or B1G) and have $$$ flowing to them. Hawaii has nothing. I almost don't want to be a Hawaii fan because being one means you won't experience any prolonged thrills and happiness. All the crappy teams they field plus the NCAA crapping on you every year. You need an ulcer? Go be a Hawaii fan. But I'm stuck being a Hawaii fan because of imprinting. Grew up here. Listened to Hawaii football on the ol' transistor radio (before the Internet) under the blankets during the Dick Tomey years. Suffered through years of basketball misery under the Larry Little years. Ugh.
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Post by Northern lights on Dec 4, 2016 20:35:08 GMT -5
Marijuana licenses haven't been issued yet so you need to quit smoking before they do. I wouldn't have taken them over Nikki. Nikki Taylor plays OPPOSITE, not OUTSIDE LOL
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 20:35:29 GMT -5
That's why I said travel was the main issue.
All I'm saying is that recruits always talk about being bowled over by the atmosphere in Lincoln (and Happy Valley, to a lesser extent). You'd think the same thing would happen, if not more so, at SS. But that assumes they visit.
Not to mention that you'd think Hawaii would be extremely attractive to at least SOME elite recruits. I know it's no Lincoln in terms of exotic-ness, but c'mon.
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Post by dd2000 on Dec 4, 2016 20:38:49 GMT -5
I've heard many of those things before, but it seems like the main one would be the travel issue for parents. Because, otherwise, why do landlocked islands like Happy Valley and Lincoln do so well? Anyhow, if I were 1) really good at volleyball, 2) a female, and 3) a teenager I'd be sorely tempted. I am none of those things, however. The sad thing is the one I am closest to being is a female. Just the one chromosome off. Don't underestimate the culture fit. How many players have we heard say that they went on a visit to the school they committed to and they "just knew" or "everything felt right"? They can't put their finger on what it was that made that school "the one" and why other schools weren't. High level recruits could very well go visit Hawaii and have something just feel off. I'm not sure this happens too often though. More times than not, the recruits that come for a visit say that it felt "right". Most mainland recruits to the program love the Islands and the culture. And, you really feel it and see it on senior night. Also, we have our occasionoal transfer out, but there haven't been a lot. When they do, its often related to lack of playing time, and not cultural reasons.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Dec 4, 2016 20:46:09 GMT -5
Don't underestimate the culture fit. How many players have we heard say that they went on a visit to the school they committed to and they "just knew" or "everything felt right"? They can't put their finger on what it was that made that school "the one" and why other schools weren't. High level recruits could very well go visit Hawaii and have something just feel off. I'm not sure this happens too often though. More times than not, the recruits that come for a visit say that it felt "right". Most mainland recruits to the program love the Islands and the culture. And, you really feel it and see it on senior night. Also, we have our occasionoal transfer out, but there haven't been a lot. When they do, its often related to lack of playing time, and not cultural reasons. Maybe not. Maybe they select out before they visit. Or maybe you just don't hear about the ones who visit but don't commit.
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Post by dd2000 on Dec 4, 2016 20:47:04 GMT -5
Wolfgang, I saw only one poster make mention of Iosia wanting to transfer out, and it was someone trolling the Hawaii fans on the Minnesota-Hawaii match thread. I've seen no other reference to this other than from this single poster. Is this where you are getting this from??
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