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Post by teamjess on Jul 26, 2017 15:07:11 GMT -5
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Post by vbsavage63 on Jul 26, 2017 15:26:22 GMT -5
PSA, Freedom of Information Act of 2017 (just the facts, of course), plus I'm including everything LEFT of Denver: 18 Open: 5th Aspire 18 ROX (AZ) 7th AZ Fear 18 MS (AZ) 11th THE HBC 18 Black (SC) 17 Open: 1st THE HBC 17 Black (SC) 9th AZ Feat 17 MW (AZ) 16 Open: 8th AZ Fear 16 RW (AZ) 9th Pac6 16-1 (SC) 12th T.O. 16 - Stephen (SC) 15 Open: 5th Bay to Bay 15-1 (NC) 14 Open: 4th Bay to Bay 14-1 (NC) So not that many SoCal teams at all; at least, I would not call the number "a lot" To be clear Arizona is not CA, we and they do not consider NorCal part of CA and we are reluctant to claim HBC as ca,so really only One bonafide CA TEAM : Pac6 Just sayin To be clear, I know that. And, to be clear, THE HBC is a SoCal team. So of the factual list I shared, which my new friend suhdude requested, has three SoCal clubs in total. Not a lot. But wanted to also give cred to those "LEFT" of Denver for coming to midwest qualifiers. Actually, I'm surprised the Great Lakes and Badger regions aren't asking for more than six bids for the Chicago qualifier. Based on USAV's bid grid, they should and could qualify for more than six . . .
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Post by Hawk Attack on Jul 26, 2017 17:51:04 GMT -5
It looks like a non west coast team got the 10th bid at 18s "Hitmen." RIP Hitmen
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Post by vbsavage63 on Jul 26, 2017 18:13:56 GMT -5
I do believe you have found the silver bullet! Hard to get 'financial impact' love for boys' volleyball even in SoCal. It has to be frustrating for your local organizers to get trumped by the hotels surrounding the convention center when they are trying to schedule their qualifier.
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Post by teamjess on Jul 26, 2017 18:21:56 GMT -5
I do believe you have found the silver bullet! Hard to get 'financial impact' love for boys' volleyball even in SoCal. It has to be frustrating for your local organizers to get trumped by the hotels surrounding the convention center when they are trying to schedule their qualifier. I am guessing Anaheim doesn't love the boys qualifier because it does not fill up the hotel rooms.
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Post by teamjess on Jul 26, 2017 18:43:18 GMT -5
teamjess, I think you nailed it with the play and stay extortion. Unfortunately, like many for profit things, this is an opportunity for the SCVA and THS Housing to make more money on the backs of those parents who will, as always, do what needs to be done so the boys have a great experience. How many Boy's clubs are there in the San Diego area, maybe 2-3? So, what else could it be? Somebody in the know please weigh in so we are well informed. On the upside, perhaps less teams will enter so that the rediculousness of the #1 seed playing #110 can be avoided. I don't really see it that way - extortion is a harsh word. I think it likely became not cost effective to continue to have all the tournaments in Anaheim when they were not filling hotel rooms. The city, convention center and hotels all work together - possibly Anaheim - given the option of two competing events would chose one that would also fill the local hotel rooms. It may be that the cost to run the tournament in Anaheim was just significantly more than the cost to do it in San Diego.
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Post by vbinca on Jul 26, 2017 21:22:25 GMT -5
The city of Anaheim owns the Anaheim Convention Center, the city collects tourism/room taxes on every hotel room occupied (15%). If the Convention Center does not bring in events that fill hotel rooms the city does not collect its taxes, if the city does not collect taxes through hotel rooms it has to raise taxes on its residents, residents don't want to pay higher taxes, if the city raises taxes on residents, residents elect new people into the city government, since elected officials in Anaheim don't want to loose their jobs, the Convention Center has to bring in events that fill hotel rooms. Previous posters have already stated why the ACC is the perfect place to hold the Invitational, so that they can commute home nightly, which leads to no taxes for the city of Anaheim and the SCVA being forced to move the Invitational to San Diego, where posters have correctly stated there are only a handful of clubs (Coast, Seaside, Wave, plus a few smaller ones) which mean all other clubs have to stay at hotels in which they will pay a hotel room tax (10.5%) and the city of San Diego will be happy and will invite SCVA to hold more events.
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Post by Scipio Aemilianus on Jul 26, 2017 22:31:36 GMT -5
The city of Anaheim owns the Anaheim Convention Center, the city collects tourism/room taxes on every hotel room occupied (15%). If the Convention Center does not bring in events that fill hotel rooms the city does not collect its taxes, if the city does not collect taxes through hotel rooms it has to raise taxes on its residents, residents don't want to pay higher taxes, if the city raises taxes on residents, residents elect new people into the city government, since elected officials in Anaheim don't want to loose their jobs, the Convention Center has to bring in events that fill hotel rooms. Previous posters have already stated why the ACC is the perfect place to hold the Invitational, so that they can commute home nightly, which leads to no taxes for the city of Anaheim and the SCVA being forced to move the Invitational to San Diego, where posters have correctly stated there are only a handful of clubs (Coast, Seaside, Wave, plus a few smaller ones) which mean all other clubs have to stay at hotels in which they will pay a hotel room tax (10.5%) and the city of San Diego will be happy and will invite SCVA to hold more events. Just wanted to quote this to say this is completely right and correct and is the exact financial reasons behind it. Not saying I support the move, but this is completely correct the reasoning for it.
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Post by Scipio Aemilianus on Jul 26, 2017 22:37:18 GMT -5
The Support the Sport link and article is cool and stuff and makes it sound all great. But really it's about making SCVA and USAV more money and better, not to benefit the players. If you read it, it says that any team north of Oceanside must pay for at least 4 hotel rooms in order to play in the tournament. If they held it in Anaheim, even clubs as far north as Santa Monica wouldn't have to pay for hotel rooms. In San Diego, even a team from/near San Clemente like 949 would have to pay for hotel. This is terrible on the parents/clubs wallets. It definitely helps SCVA/USAV but it doesn't help their members at all. This is solely for the money and the members of SCVA are not gaining any benefit or financial benefit in this deal. More money for the few at the top, less money for everyone else who's not in charge. That's why I don't really like this deal..
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Post by akbar on Jul 27, 2017 5:56:23 GMT -5
The city of Anaheim owns the Anaheim Convention Center, the city collects tourism/room taxes on every hotel room occupied (15%). If the Convention Center does not bring in events that fill hotel rooms the city does not collect its taxes, if the city does not collect taxes through hotel rooms it has to raise taxes on its residents, residents don't want to pay higher taxes, if the city raises taxes on residents, residents elect new people into the city government, since elected officials in Anaheim don't want to loose their jobs, the Convention Center has to bring in events that fill hotel rooms. Previous posters have already stated why the ACC is the perfect place to hold the Invitational, so that they can commute home nightly, which leads to no taxes for the city of Anaheim and the SCVA being forced to move the Invitational to San Diego, where posters have correctly stated there are only a handful of clubs (Coast, Seaside, Wave, plus a few smaller ones) which mean all other clubs have to stay at hotels in which they will pay a hotel room tax (10.5%) and the city of San Diego will be happy and will invite SCVA to hold more events. well there it is. Perfectly explained. Thank goodness for the NorCal, Arizon, Hawaii, Midwest amd East coast clubs who supported the Anaheim event for years so the local clubs could sleep in their bungalows. 😎 Time to start a vacation jug LA/Orange County kiddos.
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Post by vbsavage63 on Jul 27, 2017 6:23:57 GMT -5
The city of Anaheim owns the Anaheim Convention Center, the city collects tourism/room taxes on every hotel room occupied (15%). If the Convention Center does not bring in events that fill hotel rooms the city does not collect its taxes, if the city does not collect taxes through hotel rooms it has to raise taxes on its residents, residents don't want to pay higher taxes, if the city raises taxes on residents, residents elect new people into the city government, since elected officials in Anaheim don't want to loose their jobs, the Convention Center has to bring in events that fill hotel rooms. Previous posters have already stated why the ACC is the perfect place to hold the Invitational, so that they can commute home nightly, which leads to no taxes for the city of Anaheim and the SCVA being forced to move the Invitational to San Diego, where posters have correctly stated there are only a handful of clubs (Coast, Seaside, Wave, plus a few smaller ones) which mean all other clubs have to stay at hotels in which they will pay a hotel room tax (10.5%) and the city of San Diego will be happy and will invite SCVA to hold more events. well there it is. Perfectly explained. Thank goodness for the NorCal, Arizon, Hawaii, Midwest amd East coast clubs who supported the Anaheim event for years so the local clubs could sleep in their bungalows. 😎 Time to start a vacation jug LA/Orange County kiddos. Governmental allocation of resources at work yet again. Not even capitalism can win. Dare I make that statement out loud . . .
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Post by bradk on Jul 27, 2017 11:01:00 GMT -5
Has there been any talk about the fact that the ACC is simply already booked for a few weeks around that time? Perhaps the venue was not available and then add in the availability of the ASC as well since you probably need both facilities and perhaps the weekends would simply not work in Anaheim this year? I know it is hard to believe but Convention Centers want more traffic and they simply may have had a better offer for a convention on some of those weekends.
The Boys Classic in June was moved up 1 weekend as well and is now a weekend earlier. Not sure about ACT testing in the great state of California but that is a huge ACT testing day for just finished Juniors (about to be Seniors) in the midwest.
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Post by yorktowne12 on Jul 27, 2017 11:16:37 GMT -5
For the quote above. No I do not mind if they come over to the midwest and east coast to try and play in a NATIONAL QUALIFIER open to anyone. We have Canada teams who come in all the time and have to deal with them. Some of which have done VERY WELL in both California qualifiers. Plus a few years ago, Sports Performance use to come to Rochester for like 3-4 years in a row and play in that tournament. If you traveled to play in more events and you WON a bid, then when we come to your event the trickle down process is a lot better But lets be honest if you can not get a bid in 10 slots maybe that weekend you just do not deserve one. So try again at a later date and go earn it. Chicago won't get any more bids. Nittany use to have 70-80 Teams back in the day and never got more than 3 bids. Now I say they should get rid of the At-Large Bids and just go strictly more bids to Chicago, BANE, and St Louis. The classic in June, we could not even attend if we wanted to. This year its moved up so far that it would over lap with our State Finals!
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Post by Scipio Aemilianus on Jul 27, 2017 12:34:00 GMT -5
For the quote above. No I do not mind if they come over to the midwest and east coast to try and play in a NATIONAL QUALIFIER open to anyone. We have Canada teams who come in all the time and have to deal with them. Some of which have done VERY WELL in both California qualifiers. Plus a few years ago, Sports Performance use to come to Rochester for like 3-4 years in a row and play in that tournament. If you traveled to play in more events and you WON a bid, then when we come to your event the trickle down process is a lot better But lets be honest if you can not get a bid in 10 slots maybe that weekend you just do not deserve one. So try again at a later date and go earn it. Chicago won't get any more bids. Nittany use to have 70-80 Teams back in the day and never got more than 3 bids. Now I say they should get rid of the At-Large Bids and just go strictly more bids to Chicago, BANE, and St Louis. The classic in June, we could not even attend if we wanted to. This year its moved up so far that it would over lap with our State Finals! I would like to think that but I think it would be pretty interesting to see the reaction if all 3 bids from Chicago and St. Louis went to out-of-region teams. Canadian teams don't accept the bids in any tournament so it's kinda a moot point. They would be pretty upset. We could go back and forth forcing midwest teams to play in SCVA and then make SCVA teams play in Midwest. Some clubs from both areas don't have that money or schedule flexibility. If a SCVA team finishes 11th at SCVA qualifier, without at-large bids, they would have to organize a whole trip with very short notice. At large bids are a good idea and honestly are necessary I believe. I guess part of me just doesn't look forward to this expansionism of youth sports where players gotta miss school and go on all these far trips to different regions and bids are being won by out-of-region teams at every tournament. It just kinda gives an edge to the rich clubs/players.
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Post by passserve on Jul 27, 2017 21:35:03 GMT -5
If the convention center was out, why couldn't it be held it at the Anaheim Sports Center and Momentous Sports Center and Next Level Sports Center?
Maybe parents with kids on different aged teams might make this difficult. The parents wouldn't like having to choose what venue to stay at and watch. Still better than having almost all the teams being forced to pay for and stay in San Diego.
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