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Post by pepperbrooks on Oct 17, 2017 20:26:08 GMT -5
Haven't been good since Cowie turned the program around in the late '90's and Ed Caesar continued the success until his departure. It's a good job, but someone has to go in there and recruit DI like talent. Someone just needs to recruit. Period. NYU can sell itself, but you have to find the right athletes. And, quite frankly, Jolie didn't work very hard and cut ties with a lot of the more productive recruiting areas for her school. It was hard to watch. Where are those areas and how did she cut ties? Just curious.
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Post by jcvball22 on Oct 17, 2017 20:36:36 GMT -5
Someone just needs to recruit. Period. NYU can sell itself, but you have to find the right athletes. And, quite frankly, Jolie didn't work very hard and cut ties with a lot of the more productive recruiting areas for her school. It was hard to watch. Where are those areas and how did she cut ties? Just curious. The areas I am referring to are SoCal and NYC. Both producing talent capable of helping her roster, both having lots of high quality kids academically, and both places she hasn't been seen recruiting in years. Multiple clubs and good athletes contacted her and she gave no response to any of them. That talent went elsewhere, including many within the UAA .
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Post by karellen on Oct 18, 2017 6:47:00 GMT -5
Fort Hays State search committee met for the first time on Tuesday (17th)
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Post by JustInCase on Oct 18, 2017 8:30:57 GMT -5
Where are those areas and how did she cut ties? Just curious. The areas I am referring to are SoCal and NYC. Both producing talent capable of helping her roster, both having lots of high quality kids academically, and both places she hasn't been seen recruiting in years. Multiple clubs and good athletes contacted her and she gave no response to any of them. That talent went elsewhere, including many within the UAA . Cowie brought in kids from all over the country. California, Texas, Florida, mid-west hotbeds. He was on the road recruiting as much as any DI program. The years that followed Caesar took that talent to the finals when Cowie left. Kids that turned down above average DI schools, including Alabaman, Iowa, Ivies, etc. Beat out UAA juggernaut Washington-St. Louis for kids. It was from hard work and hitting the road. NYC is an easy sell. NYU education is an easy sell. Facilities, league, etc. Hardest part is the NYU sticker price. Caesar was a great assistant coach and later head coach. It was a great match for the school. As soon as they both left and they brought in coaches who weren't willing to have their work ethic or vision, the program quickly went back to its former self. It can happen again. Resources are not the issue. You need a coach with a DI recruiting mentality.
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Post by ja on Oct 18, 2017 11:07:58 GMT -5
The areas I am referring to are SoCal and NYC. Both producing talent capable of helping her roster, both having lots of high quality kids academically, and both places she hasn't been seen recruiting in years. Multiple clubs and good athletes contacted her and she gave no response to any of them. That talent went elsewhere, including many within the UAA . Cowie brought in kids from all over the country. California, Texas, Florida, mid-west hotbeds. He was on the road recruiting as much as any DI program. The years that followed Caesar took that talent to the finals when Cowie left. Kids that turned down above average DI schools, including Alabaman, Iowa, Ivies, etc. Beat out UAA juggernaut Washington-St. Louis for kids. It was from hard work and hitting the road. NYC is an easy sell. NYU education is an easy sell. Facilities, league, etc. Hardest part is the NYU sticker price. Caesar was a great assistant coach and later head coach. It was a great match for the school. As soon as they both left and they brought in coaches who weren't willing to have their work ethic or vision, the program quickly went back to its former self. It can happen again. Resources are not the issue. You need a coach with a DI recruiting mentality. Thanks for bringing back some good memories! He always had DI level talent on his roster! NYC have some serious improvement lately with much better HS competition, so it's very easy to recruit at home. Actually do not remember seeing her at any local (GEVA) tournaments. But I still think that she had enough talent on NYU, just did not materialize it into better result.
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Post by Phaedrus on Oct 18, 2017 17:34:04 GMT -5
Wait. Is Tim Cowie's name being thrown into every job opening again?
Oh happy day! !
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Post by sisyphus on Oct 18, 2017 20:42:41 GMT -5
Why is this thread not pinned? Because you haven't agreed to maintain it. Yet.
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Post by Sorry Ass Sal on Oct 18, 2017 21:55:43 GMT -5
Why is this thread not pinned? Because you haven't agreed to maintain it. Yet. Not sure how that falls on me, but whatever.
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Post by sisyphus on Oct 18, 2017 22:08:35 GMT -5
Because you haven't agreed to maintain it. Yet. Not sure how that falls on me, but whatever. We played nose goes. You lost.
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Post by Semp12 on Oct 19, 2017 12:04:39 GMT -5
Cowie brought in kids from all over the country. California, Texas, Florida, mid-west hotbeds. He was on the road recruiting as much as any DI program. The years that followed Caesar took that talent to the finals when Cowie left. Kids that turned down above average DI schools, including Alabaman, Iowa, Ivies, etc. Beat out UAA juggernaut Washington-St. Louis for kids. It was from hard work and hitting the road. NYC is an easy sell. NYU education is an easy sell. Facilities, league, etc. Hardest part is the NYU sticker price. Caesar was a great assistant coach and later head coach. It was a great match for the school. As soon as they both left and they brought in coaches who weren't willing to have their work ethic or vision, the program quickly went back to its former self. It can happen again. Resources are not the issue. You need a coach with a DI recruiting mentality. Thanks for bringing back some good memories! He always had DI level talent on his roster! NYC have some serious improvement lately with much better HS competition, so it's very easy to recruit at home. Actually do not remember seeing her at any local (GEVA) tournaments. But I still think that she had enough talent on NYU, just did not materialize it into better result. It really comes down to more of a niche recruitment to me. You can't go to an average GEVA tournament and scout every athlete out like most coaches are. To me, what it does require is more work behind the scenes of talking to these club coaches and finding out who fits their mold, so you aren't wasting a ton of time. FWIW, Athletic Facilities definitely aren't much of a selling point if an athlete is looking at construction for a good portion of their time. Edit: Not defending, but bringing up some points.
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Post by jcvball22 on Oct 19, 2017 12:25:00 GMT -5
Thanks for bringing back some good memories! He always had DI level talent on his roster! NYC have some serious improvement lately with much better HS competition, so it's very easy to recruit at home. Actually do not remember seeing her at any local (GEVA) tournaments. But I still think that she had enough talent on NYU, just did not materialize it into better result. It really comes down to more of a niche recruitment to me. You can't go to an average GEVA tournament and scout every athlete out like most coaches are. To me, what it does require is more work behind the scenes of talking to these club coaches and finding out who fits their mold, so you aren't wasting a ton of time. FWIW, Athletic Facilities definitely aren't much of a selling point if an athlete is looking at construction for a good portion of their time. Edit: Not defending, but bringing up some points. The draw is NYC, academics, and a highly competitive conference. And, in the short-term, there will be construction on the athletic facilities. In the long term, that facility will be pretty incredible. Also, all recruiting requires behind the scenes work, finding who fits their mold, and making the most of your resources. Which was the reason the previous coach failed so miserably.
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Post by ja on Oct 19, 2017 15:29:58 GMT -5
Thanks for bringing back some good memories! He always had DI level talent on his roster! NYC have some serious improvement lately with much better HS competition, so it's very easy to recruit at home. Actually do not remember seeing her at any local (GEVA) tournaments. But I still think that she had enough talent on NYU, just did not materialize it into better result. It really comes down to more of a niche recruitment to me. You can't go to an average GEVA tournament and scout every athlete out like most coaches are. To me, what it does require is more work behind the scenes of talking to these club coaches and finding out who fits their mold, so you aren't wasting a ton of time. FWIW, Athletic Facilities definitely aren't much of a selling point if an athlete is looking at construction for a good portion of their time. Edit: Not defending, but bringing up some points. Just FYI "THE GEVA 2017 YOUTH GIRLS TEAM IS THE USAV GIRLS YOUTH NATIONAL HIGH PERFORMANCE GOLD MEDAL TOURNAMENT CHAMPION"
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Post by dexter on Oct 19, 2017 16:19:04 GMT -5
I thought I Heard aboUt an opening for a at a HBCU, but I don't think it was for a head coach.
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Post by Semp12 on Oct 19, 2017 22:17:48 GMT -5
It really comes down to more of a niche recruitment to me. You can't go to an average GEVA tournament and scout every athlete out like most coaches are. To me, what it does require is more work behind the scenes of talking to these club coaches and finding out who fits their mold, so you aren't wasting a ton of time. FWIW, Athletic Facilities definitely aren't much of a selling point if an athlete is looking at construction for a good portion of their time. Edit: Not defending, but bringing up some points. The draw is NYC, academics, and a highly competitive conference. And, in the short-term, there will be construction on the athletic facilities. In the long term, that facility will be pretty incredible. Also, all recruiting requires behind the scenes work, finding who fits their mold, and making the most of your resources. Which was the reason the previous coach failed so miserably. But consutruction in the short term in NYC could be 2-3 years of a kids athletic career, or more. Selling the long term facility isn't their concern if they will be practically graduated and not actually experience it. I know there is plenty more to sell for the school, but not that or the price tag to some. Ja: I'm not knocking GEVA, just the idea of going to a a bunch of random GEVA tourneys without an idea of who is a potential NYU student can be a waste of time. I don't think many "niche" recruiters are doing that in any of the "average" regions.
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Post by JustInCase on Oct 20, 2017 6:54:32 GMT -5
Wait. Is Tim Cowie's name being thrown into every job opening again? Oh happy day! ! I didn't read every post, but I didn't get the impression anyone was suggesting that Cowie was in the hunt for the NYU or any other job. It seemed like they were talking about the glory days of NYU. I don't think Cowie is even coaching anymore.
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