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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 5, 2017 13:36:04 GMT -5
The first group has been released: 100 - Western KY 99 - Arkansas 98 - Tennessee 97 - Notre Dame 96 - Tennessee 95 - Florida 94 - Iowa 93 - Purdue 92 - Oregon 91 - Baylor Little surprised to see the FL recruit so soon (Edited to add: based on others' descriptions of her, not a personal opinion of her potential). Happy that the Arkansas one made it! There are so many good liberos in this class! |
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Post by ProfessorPlum on Sept 5, 2017 13:44:04 GMT -5
Players from small clubs definitely get less exposure, right? Do they tend to be under ranked more often? I don't see this. In 2017, I see #17 (Hart), #12 (Sweet) #10 (Mac May) and #9 (Knuth) in the Top 10 from smaller clubs. #2 Butler was at a small club when the rankings were made I think too. I agree! I think JT and his panels go out of their way to give small club kids exposure. He had a POY at one age group from Idaho not long ago. If anything, once you're on his radar from a smaller club, you get the annual regurgitation factor and you are locked in imho. And this is not an exact science! Anywhere on this list 1-250 is quite the honor and something to be cherished forever! |
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Post by ay2013 on Sept 5, 2017 13:57:23 GMT -5
The first group has been released: 100 - Western KY 99 - Arkansas 98 - Tennessee 97 - Notre Dame 96 - Tennessee 95 - Florida 94 - Iowa 93 - Purdue 92 - Oregon 91 - Baylor Little surprised to see the FL recruit so soon (Edited to add: based on others' descriptions of her, not a personal opinion of her potential). Happy that the Arkansas one made it! Interesting re the Arksansas player. Usually when I saw her club team in the latter rounds of tournaments, against other teams who had quality players at her position, it was pretty clear how inferior she was and IMO one of the weaker links for her club team...... IMO |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 5, 2017 13:58:15 GMT -5
I don't see this. In 2017, I see #17 (Hart), #12 (Sweet) #10 (Mac May) and #9 (Knuth) in the Top 10 from smaller clubs. #2 Butler was at a small club when the rankings were made I think too. I agree! I think JT and his panels go out of their way to give small club kids exposure. He had a POY at one age group from Idaho not long ago. If anything, once you're on his radar from a smaller club, you get the annual regurgitation factor and you are locked in imho. And this is not an exact science! Anywhere on this list 1-250 is quite the honor and something to be cherished forever! Also, #1 this year is from a club that didn't even play Open. |
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Post by ProfessorPlum on Sept 5, 2017 14:02:29 GMT -5
I agree! I think JT and his panels go out of their way to give small club kids exposure. He had a POY at one age group from Idaho not long ago. If anything, once you're on his radar from a smaller club, you get the annual regurgitation factor and you are locked in imho. And this is not an exact science! Anywhere on this list 1-250 is quite the honor and something to be cherished forever! Also, #1 this year is from a club that didn't even play Open. Good point! Well deserved but you are correct. They did play 18's which was a significant jump up this year and they were an Open level type team playing many Open events. It was a rather strange call by the club/coach/parents as to why they didn't compete harder for the Open bid. They certainly were good enough...lower level Open but still Open imho! |
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Post by trainermch on Sept 5, 2017 14:06:04 GMT -5
Also, #1 this year is from a club that didn't even play Open. Good point! Well deserved but you are correct. They did play 18's which was a significant jump up this year and they were an Open level type team playing many Open events. It was a rather strange call by the club/coach/parents as to why they didn't compete harder for the Open bid. They certainly were good enough...lower level Open but still Open imho! My best guess would be the parents had no say.  |
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Post by ay2013 on Sept 5, 2017 14:09:49 GMT -5
I agree! I think JT and his panels go out of their way to give small club kids exposure. He had a POY at one age group from Idaho not long ago. If anything, once you're on his radar from a smaller club, you get the annual regurgitation factor and you are locked in imho. And this is not an exact science! Anywhere on this list 1-250 is quite the honor and something to be cherished forever! Also, #1 this year is from a club that didn't even play Open. Yeah but players like her and others mentioned, Butler, Knuth, May had plenty of exposure though USAV HP for years. |
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Post by BuckysHeat on Sept 5, 2017 14:17:24 GMT -5
#93 being #93 shows this is a deep class at least in the hitting department, I thought for sure she would be top 50
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Post by trainermch on Sept 5, 2017 14:21:18 GMT -5
#93 being #93 shows this is a deep class at least in the hitting department, I thought for sure she would be top 50 Also that the setter class is deeper, as JT noted that would-be higher-ranked hitters got nudged to make room for the setters. |
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Post by ProfessorPlum on Sept 5, 2017 14:27:06 GMT -5
Good point! Well deserved but you are correct. They did play 18's which was a significant jump up this year and they were an Open level type team playing many Open events. It was a rather strange call by the club/coach/parents as to why they didn't compete harder for the Open bid. They certainly were good enough...lower level Open but still Open imho! My best guess would be the parents had no say. Haha! I'm sure. I was just listing all the variables. I probably could have thrown in referees! |
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Post by ProfessorPlum on Sept 5, 2017 14:50:09 GMT -5
I think all this weak class/strong class stuff is a little silly without comparisons to different years. Which no one really does. I've quoted "not as deep class" before because I have heard it directly from college recruiters. Is my super small sample size worth anythingnother than an opinion. Of course not!
There are a bunch of kids from last years 126-250 starting and making an impact for Top 100 programs as we speak. As always the bar has been raised High and I'm sure 2018 will be up to the challenge! And as far as setters go...deeper perhaps...but there were 3 setters in the top 6 last year and all 3 are starting for Top 12 programs right now. This year Hames & Blossum are possible Top 10, Parker & Chang top 20 and Powell & others in the mix as well. So more numbers at setter but not sure any crack top 6. I'm not sure what my point is other than every year is a little different.
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Post by vbshrink on Sept 5, 2017 14:56:58 GMT -5
The first group has been released: 100 - Western KY 99 - Arkansas 98 - Tennessee 97 - Notre Dame 96 - Tennessee 95 - Florida 94 - Iowa 93 - Purdue 92 - Oregon 91 - Baylor Little surprised to see the FL recruit so soon (Edited to add: based on others' descriptions of her, not a personal opinion of her potential). Happy that the Arkansas one made it! Interesting re the Arksansas player. Usually when I saw her club team in the latter rounds of tournaments, against other teams who had quality players at her position, it was pretty clear how inferior she was and IMO one of the weaker links for her club team...... IMO Not sure I really disagree with you - at least at times. I think consistency was one of her biggest struggles. I saw some matches like the ones you described, but I also saw her play terrific at several others. Although I know that JT uses info from juniors/HS coaches pretty liberally in his write-ups about players, I think the write up about her is pretty accurate, at least in terms of hard work, grit, and maybe being a bit more cerebral than she is insanely athletic. I think she will do very well with Jason -- I think she is just his kind of setter. I am not sure, however, that she'll play right away. Rippee is doing well this year so far and seems to be developing nicely. |
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Post by curiousvolleyballdad on Sept 5, 2017 14:58:50 GMT -5
The first group has been released: 100 - Western KY 99 - Arkansas 98 - Tennessee 97 - Notre Dame 96 - Tennessee 95 - Florida 94 - Iowa 93 - Purdue 92 - Oregon 91 - Baylor Little surprised to see the FL recruit so soon (Edited to add: based on others' descriptions of her, not a personal opinion of her potential). Happy that the Arkansas one made it! I am also surprised. I did not expect to see her for a couple days easily. Hmm..... |
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Post by curiousvolleyballdad on Sept 5, 2017 15:02:59 GMT -5
#93 being #93 shows this is a deep class at least in the hitting department, I thought for sure she would be top 50 At least a Top 50. WOW!! |
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Post by vbshrink on Sept 5, 2017 15:05:20 GMT -5
#93 being #93 shows this is a deep class at least in the hitting department, I thought for sure she would be top 50 At least a Top 50. WOW!! If I had to guess, she dropped due to currently being injured (according to the write up). Just a guess. |
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