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Post by ProfessorPlum on Nov 23, 2017 12:58:52 GMT -5
6 of the 8 current First Four In/Out are going to lose this weekend. The other 2 don’t play! Should make things interesting.
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Post by minncoach on Nov 24, 2017 9:42:22 GMT -5
The power of collective thinking. Top 50 based on combination of Massey, RPI and Pablo. Penn State, Stanford, Nebraska, Texas - which is really not that surprising although a lot of shade being thrown at Texas which seems to be un-deserving.
Team Massey RPI Pablo Avg Finish
Penn State 1 4 1 2.0 1
Stanford 2 5 3 3.3 2
Nebraska 3 6 2 3.7 3
Texas 4 3 4 3.7 3
Minnesota 5 7 7 6.3 6
Florida 6 2 5 4.3 5
BYU 7 18 9 11.3 9
Washington 8 8 10 8.7 8
San Diego 9 20 11 13.3 11
Kentucky 10 1 12 7.7 7
Cal Poly 11 19 16 15.3 15
Michigan State 12 17 8 12.3 11
Colorado 13 22 26 20.3 20
USC 14 11 17 14.0 13
Wisconsin 15 10 6 10.3 10
UCLA 16 24 15 18.3 18
Utah 17 13 13 14.3 14
Illinois 18 28 21 22.3 23
Purdue 19 25 20 21.3 22
Baylor 20 14 14 16.0 17
Oregon State 21 27 24 24.0 25
Kansas 22 12 29 21.0 21
Iowa State 23 15 22 20.0 19
Michigan 24 30 27 27.0 32
Oregon 25 23 24 24.0 25
Wichita State 26 9 18 17.7 16
Creighton 27 16 27 23.3 24
Louisville 28 21 28 25.7 29
Western Kentucky29 29 18 25.3 27
Colorado State 30 33 33 32.0 38
Pitt 31 26 23 26.7 32
Hawaii 32 39 31 34.0 40
Missouri State 33 44 38 38.3 43
Washington State 34 37 37 36.0 41
Iowa 35 46 41 40.7 44
Ohio State 36 42 44 40.7 44
Miami 37 31 40 36.0 41
Maryland 38 47 50 45.0 49
Marquette 39 32 30 33.7 39
VCU 40 36 56 44.0 48
Northern Iowa 41 48 39 42.7 47
Missouri 42 34 25 26
North Texas 43 52 31.7 37
Notre Dame 44 35 26.3 30
Loyola Marymt 45 97 47.3 50
NC State 46 41 29.0 32
Kennesaw State 47 43 30.0 37
UC Irvine 48 78 42.0 46
Florida State 49 40 29.7 35
LSU 50 38 29.3 34
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 24, 2017 10:45:36 GMT -5
who will be the highest rated team left out?
Hawaii, Iowa, or Ohio State ?
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Post by ProfessorPlum on Nov 24, 2017 10:55:20 GMT -5
who will be the highest rated team left out? Hawaii, Iowa, or Ohio State ? Iowa, tO$U & Maryland all lose! And everyone other than the Big10 snobs rejoiced!!! |
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Post by jayj79 on Nov 24, 2017 11:01:59 GMT -5
I really hope your bracket is wrong. That Lincoln regional would be so boring. I enjoy those Big Ten matchups during the conference season, but the tourney is more fun when matched up with teams you don't normally see. The unknown is part of the excitement. When a conference gets that many teams in a tournament, there are bound to be the potential for conference teams to play each other. The NCAA shouldn't have to change their procedures and incur greater travel expenses just to avoid that possibility. And not that it is limited to the Big Ten. Other conferences with multiple bids (even just 2) are often slated to potentially face each other in the regional round. (for example, the MVC, in this scenario) Or the two seeded PAC teams both in the University Park region the two seeded SEC teams in the Gainesville region or the three seeded Big12 teams in the Palo Alto region |
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Post by vbfanantic on Nov 24, 2017 11:08:13 GMT -5
Last year, I seem to remember that the committee said that they ensured that no teams from the same conference (maybe seeded teams) would meet before the regional finals. Any chance they swap Kansas and Wisconsin?
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Post by ay2013 on Nov 24, 2017 11:54:22 GMT -5
Last year, I seem to remember that the committee said that they ensured that no teams from the same conference (maybe seeded teams) would meet before the regional finals. Any chance they swap Kansas and Wisconsin? This was not said and is demonstrably false as PSU met Nebraska in the sweet 16 last year. All the committee does and make every effort not to have the same Conference in the sub regionals. They seed, or at least should, without any consideration to Conference match ups as it’s not in the rules. |
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Post by jasonr on Nov 24, 2017 12:01:22 GMT -5
I really hope your bracket is wrong. That Lincoln regional would be so boring. I enjoy those Big Ten matchups during the conference season, but the tourney is more fun when matched up with teams you don't normally see. The unknown is part of the excitement. When a conference gets that many teams in a tournament, there are bound to be the potential for conference teams to play each other. The NCAA shouldn't have to change their procedures and incur greater travel expenses just to avoid that possibility. And not that it is limited to the Big Ten. Other conferences with multiple bids (even just 2) are often slated to potentially face each other in the regional round. (for example, the MVC, in this scenario) Or the two seeded PAC teams both in the University Park region the two seeded SEC teams in the Gainesville region or the three seeded Big12 teams in the Palo Alto region Yes, boring in all scenarios. I'm not particularly empathetic to the NCAA incurring additional cost given their traditional position of owning student-athletes' likeness in perpetuity. That, along with media deals, is how their top line grew to $1 billion annually. Now they play the "woe is me" card based on their recent incurred expenses reporting (read: legal costs defending against lawsuits) which gutted their current net assets for the 2016 fiscal year even though their top line remained strong and they still have a robust operating reserve. Again, a supposed non-profit organization not being able to spring for additional travel costs for a few volleyball teams (I would guess fewer than 10) when they're hundreds of millions of dollars in the black even during their least profitable year isn't going to lead me to losing much sleep. At the very least, they could assist programs with a one-time travel grant based on demonstrated financial need. |
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Post by vbfanantic on Nov 24, 2017 12:07:42 GMT -5
Last year, I seem to remember that the committee said that they ensured that no teams from the same conference (maybe seeded teams) would meet before the regional finals. Any chance they swap Kansas and Wisconsin? This was not said and is demonstrably false as PSU met Nebraska in the sweet 16 last year. All the committee does and make every effort not to have the same Conference in the sub regionals. They seed, or at least should, without any consideration to Conference match ups as it’s not in the rules. Thanks. I couldn't remember what is was, just remember one of the people from the committee talking about it. She must have been talking about no teams from the conference meeting until the regionals (not regional finals). |
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Post by trojansc on Nov 24, 2017 13:27:15 GMT -5
Missouri desperately needs one of three things to happen or they might not make the tournament
(1) least likely, Missouri beats Florida
(2) most likely, LSU beats Tennessee (but Tennessee already beat LSU this year)
(3) toss-up, Auburn wins at Arkansas
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Post by ProfessorPlum on Nov 24, 2017 13:35:26 GMT -5
Missouri desperately needs one of three things to happen or they might not make the tournament (1) least likely, Missouri beats Florida (2) most likely, LSU beats Tennessee (but Tennessee already beat LSU this year) (3) toss-up, Auburn wins at Arkansas #2 happens. That’s it! What happens if UGA beats UK? That probably gets UGA in Top 50 and Missouri is 1-1 versus Dawgs |
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Post by trojansc on Nov 24, 2017 13:49:09 GMT -5
Missouri desperately needs one of three things to happen or they might not make the tournament (1) least likely, Missouri beats Florida (2) most likely, LSU beats Tennessee (but Tennessee already beat LSU this year) (3) toss-up, Auburn wins at Arkansas #2 happens. That’s it! What happens if UGA beats UK? That probably gets UGA in Top 50 and Missouri is 1-1 versus Dawgs True - 4th option for Missouri, but I think UGA is less likely to beat Kentucky than Missouri beating Florida |
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Post by trollhunter on Nov 24, 2017 13:49:21 GMT -5
Missouri desperately needs one of three things to happen or they might not make the tournament (1) least likely, Missouri beats Florida (2) most likely, LSU beats Tennessee (but Tennessee already beat LSU this year) (3) toss-up, Auburn wins at Arkansas Yes, some of Missouri's top 50 wins have disappeared (Texas A&Mx2 and maybe Auburn). If Auburn does not finish t50 that would leave Missouri with maybe just a single t50 win (LSU). However, Missouri does have a good RPI #, good W/L record, and great SOS (22). Will be interesting to see what committee does if they have just a single t50 win. |
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Post by volleyca on Nov 24, 2017 13:54:34 GMT -5
2017 Bracketology (11/20)
Predicted NCAA Tournament Bracket [/b] University Park Regional
(1) Penn State vs. Stony Brook, James Madison vs. Virginia Commonwealth
(16) Creighton vs. American, Missouri vs. Louisville
(8) Washington vs. Long Island, Hawaii vs. Michigan
(9) Southern California vs. Cal State Bakersfield, San Diego vs. Colorado StatePalo Alto Regional(4) Stanford vs. Fairfield, Maryland vs. Cal Poly
(13) Baylor vs. Central Arkansas, Iowa vs. UCLA
(5) Texas vs. Coastal Carolina, LSU vs. Colorado
(12) Michigan State vs. Cleveland State, Miami-OH vs. PittsburghLincoln Regional(3) Nebraska vs. Howard, Missouri State vs. Oregon State
(14) Wisconsin vs. Princeton, Marquette vs. Notre Dame
(6) Kentucky vs. East Tennessee State, Purdue vs. Western Kentucky
(11) Utah vs. Denver, BYU vs. Florida StateGainesvillle Regional(2) Florida vs. Alabama State, Miami-Florida vs. Kennesaw State
(15) Iowa State vs. Austin Peay, Illinois vs. Northern Iowa
(7) Minnesota vs. North Dakota, North Carolina State vs. Oregon
(10) Kansas vs. Radford, Wichita State vs. Washington State-------------------------------- Who would be your first 4 teams out of the seeding? [/quote] Swap Texas and Kentucky and I think they have a shot at making it to the final 4 |
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Post by ProfessorPlum on Nov 24, 2017 13:56:41 GMT -5
#2 happens. That’s it! What happens if UGA beats UK? That probably gets UGA in Top 50 and Missouri is 1-1 versus Dawgs True - 4th option for Missouri, but I think UGA is less likely to beat Kentucky than Missouri beating Florida I disagree. Both are unlikely but UGA is playing very well right now! Athens is the more likely spot for a bubble buster imho! |
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