FINALIZED 2017 Bracketology (11/26)

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Nov 25, 2017 12:08:14 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Nov 25, 2017 9:18:51 GMT -5 tomclen said:

Based on TrojanSC's updated RPI post, I'm having a hard time understanding how Hawaii, Washington State and Notre Dame are going to all make the tournament.

Notre Dame and Wazzu are definitely in.. Of those three Hawaii is the least safe. Notre Dame has SEVEN top 50 wins. Hawaii has 1. Wsshington State has 3 top-25 wins.

ND biggest win MSU not seeded likely and WSU is something like 3-15 against top 25 rpi , makes me feel for some mid majors that will be left out.

[trojansc]

Nov 25, 2017 13:21:47 GMT -5 dd2000 said:

Nov 25, 2017 12:08:14 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Notre Dame and Wazzu are definitely in.. Of those three Hawaii is the least safe. Notre Dame has SEVEN top 50 wins. Hawaii has 1. Wsshington State has 3 top-25 wins.

In another thread yesterday you said Hawaii was 95% likely in..... Those are pretty good odds if correct.

Yes. The RPI cut line is looking to be around 46/47...

Missouri might be in more trouble than Hawaii.

[ay2013]

Nov 25, 2017 13:31:13 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Nov 25, 2017 13:21:47 GMT -5 dd2000 said:

In another thread yesterday you said Hawaii was 95% likely in..... Those are pretty good odds if correct.

Yes. The RPI cut line is looking to be around 46/47...

Missouri might be in more trouble than Hawaii.

Good, down with the SEC!

[trojansc]

Nov 25, 2017 13:28:51 GMT -5 @fetchin said:

Nov 25, 2017 12:08:14 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Notre Dame and Wazzu are definitely in.. Of those three Hawaii is the least safe. Notre Dame has SEVEN top 50 wins. Hawaii has 1. Wsshington State has 3 top-25 wins.

ND biggest win MSU not seeded likely and WSU is something like 3-15 against top 25 rpi , makes me feel for some mid majors that will be left out.

What's your point about Notre Dame? Notre Dame beat Michigan State, VCU, Florida State(x2), Miami-Florida, and NC State. Yes, I get the Wazzu horrid top 25 record argument... but Wazzu to me looks better than Hawaii, Missouri, Iowa, etc...

If you have a beef with a Power-5 school getting a bid over a mid-major, it should be Iowa/Auburn/Maryland/Missouri/LSU over North Texas/College of Charleston

[dman]

Nov 25, 2017 13:31:13 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Nov 25, 2017 13:21:47 GMT -5 dd2000 said:

In another thread yesterday you said Hawaii was 95% likely in..... Those are pretty good odds if correct.

Yes. The RPI cut line is looking to be around 46/47...

Missouri might be in more trouble than Hawaii.

Jeesh, enough of the SEC hate Trojan. There's no way only two teams are going in the third most difficult conference in the country! You can argue LSU, but Mizzou is in!

[trojansc]

Nov 25, 2017 13:34:52 GMT -5 dman said:

Nov 25, 2017 13:31:13 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Yes. The RPI cut line is looking to be around 46/47...

Missouri might be in more trouble than Hawaii.

Jeesh, enough of the SEC hate Trojan. There's no way only two teams are going in the third most difficult conference in the country! You can argue LSU, but Mizzou is in!

Mizzou did little-to-nothing OOC and has beaten one top 50 team that probably won't even be in the tournament. Does that make me a hater? Or a realist?

This is why I get irritated with homers on this board. I stay extremely neutral. Here's the facts: Missouri did NOTHING OOC, they lost to Austin Peay and Boise State and their best win is Sacramento State......


For the record, I have Mizzouri in, thanks to their inflated RPI, and I think Mizzou by the eye test (with Crow) is a team that deserves a bid. But if you look at their resume and are impressed, you NEED glasses

[ay2013]

Nov 25, 2017 13:34:52 GMT -5 dman said:

Nov 25, 2017 13:31:13 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Yes. The RPI cut line is looking to be around 46/47...

Missouri might be in more trouble than Hawaii.

Jeesh, enough of the SEC hate Trojan. There's no way only two teams are going in the third most difficult conference in the country! You can argue LSU, but Mizzou is in!

The SEC is the third toughest? with the rise of the AAC? I don't think so....

[trojansc]

Nov 25, 2017 13:44:55 GMT -5 ay2013 said:

Nov 25, 2017 13:34:52 GMT -5 dman said:

Jeesh, enough of the SEC hate Trojan. There's no way only two teams are going in the third most difficult conference in the country! You can argue LSU, but Mizzou is in!

The SEC is the third toughest? with the rise of the AAC? I don't think so....

The Big 12 is ahead of SEC in League Rankings anyways, so SEC would be 4th by RPI standards

[HawaiiVB]

Trojansc, I know with work, we strategic plan in pencil certain teams we set with our personnel. Then as the implementation day comes, we can make last-minute moves to finalize. Do you think that the committee already has most of the field marked out in pencil at least? And if so, when did you think they did it? like yesterday, Wednesday? I'm guessing they had to have a preliminary field marked in pencil done way before this weekend.

[trojansc]

Nov 25, 2017 13:47:33 GMT -5 HawaiiVB said:

Trojansc, I know with work, we strategic plan in pencil certain teams we set with our personnel. Then as the implementation day comes, we can make last-minute moves to finalize. Do you think that the committee already has most of the field marked out in pencil at least? And if so, when did you think they did it? like yesterday, Wednesday? I'm guessing they had to have a preliminary field marked in pencil done way before this weekend.

I firmly believe the committee does most of their bracket building TODAY. Then tomorrow is just polishing.

I think the NCAA has like maybe the last 5 bubble spots still up for grabs today, keeping their eye on results. I also think the last 2 seeds could potentially be up for grabs today too based on what happens. But the committee can get a lot of arguing done, and find things to agree up on today.

The committee meeting today will be using the RPI that I posted earlier, results through November 24th, Friday.

[HawaiiVB]

Nov 25, 2017 13:50:38 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Nov 25, 2017 13:47:33 GMT -5 HawaiiVB said:

Trojansc, I know with work, we strategic plan in pencil certain teams we set with our personnel. Then as the implementation day comes, we can make last-minute moves to finalize. Do you think that the committee already has most of the field marked out in pencil at least? And if so, when did you think they did it? like yesterday, Wednesday? I'm guessing they had to have a preliminary field marked in pencil done way before this weekend.

I firmly believe the committee does most of their bracket building TODAY. Then tomorrow is just polishing.

I think the NCAA has like maybe the last 5 bubble spots still up for grabs today, keeping their eye on results. I also think the last 2 seeds could potentially be up for grabs today too based on what happens. But the committee can get a lot of arguing done, and find things to agree up on today.

The committee meeting today will be using the RPI that I posted earlier, results through November 24th, Friday.

I pray that Hawai'i is given a shot. How the team is gelling now versus pre-conference, they have found their game. I hope the committee sees the progress and can see a great match no matter who they play. Sometimes a new coach new team needed the time together to gell.

[BeachbytheBay]

Nov 25, 2017 13:34:52 GMT -5 dman said:

Nov 25, 2017 13:31:13 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Yes. The RPI cut line is looking to be around 46/47...

Missouri might be in more trouble than Hawaii.

Jeesh, enough of the SEC hate Trojan. There's no way only two teams are going in the third most difficult conference in the country! You can argue LSU, but Mizzou is in!

huh??

the SEC is the 5th most difficult conference, not the 3rd.

RPI may be what the NCAA uses, but that doesn't mean it defines or is the standard for actual 'difficulty' - compared to Pablo/Massey that actually define difficulty better than RPI

[vawbaw]

I hope the committee minimizes the amount of seeded teams from the same conference in the same regional by distributing teams from similar conferences across all 4 regionals as much as possible.  If the committee has to place more than one Pac 12 or B1G team in the same regional, they should choose teams that were only able to play once instead of twice in the regular conference season.  The committee should also do its best to place the winners and runner ups of the Pac 12, B1G, and BIGXII on opposite sides of the bracket.

I appreciate all of your hard work, trojansc , but I hope the bracket in your OP doesn't become a reality for the reasons I mention above. Just not a fan of the following:

USC vs. Washington in the State College Regional
Florida vs. Kentucky (potentially) in Gainesville
Nebraska, Minnesota, and Wisconsin in Lincoln
Texas, Kansas, and Baylor in Palo Alto

Oct 16, 2017 17:14:05 GMT -5 trojansc said:

University Park Regional

(1) Penn State vs. Howard, James Madison vs. Virginia Commonwealth
(16) Creighton vs. Austin Peay, Missouri vs. Colorado
(8) Washington vs. Long Island, Hawaii vs. Michigan
(9) Southern California vs. Coastal Carolina, San Diego vs. Florida State

Gainesville Regional

(4) Florida vs. Alabama State, Miami-Florida vs. Kennesaw State
(13) Michigan State vs. Cleveland State, Miami-OH vs. Pittsburgh
(5) Kentucky vs. East Tennessee State, Purdue vs. Western Kentucky
(12) Utah vs. Denver, BYU vs. College of Charleston

Lincoln Regional

(3) Nebraska vs. Stony Brook, Missouri State vs. Colorado State
(14) Wisconsin vs. Princeton, Marquette vs. Notre Dame
(6) Minnesota vs. North Dakota, Louisville vs. Washington State
(11) Iowa State vs. Radford, Illinois vs. Northern Iowa

Palo Alto Regional

(2) Stanford vs. Cal State Bakersfield, North Carolina State vs. Cal Poly
(15) Kansas vs. American, Wichita State vs. Oregon
(7) Texas vs. Fairfield, Maryland vs. UCLA
(10) Baylor vs. Central Arkansas, North Texas vs. Oregon State

[dman]

Nov 25, 2017 13:43:54 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Nov 25, 2017 13:34:52 GMT -5 dman said:

Jeesh, enough of the SEC hate Trojan. There's no way only two teams are going in the third most difficult conference in the country! You can argue LSU, but Mizzou is in!

Mizzou did little-to-nothing OOC and has beaten one top 50 team that probably won't even be in the tournament. Does that make me a hater? Or a realist?

This is why I get irritated with homers on this board. I stay extremely neutral. Here's the facts: Missouri did NOTHING OOC, they lost to Austin Peay and Boise State and their best win is Sacramento State......


For the record, I have Mizzouri in, thanks to their inflated RPI, and I think Mizzou by the eye test (with Crow) is a team that deserves a bid. But if you look at their resume and are impressed, you NEED glasses

My bad...it was ay with the "down with SEC" comment. I may be an SEC homer but certainly not a Mizzou one.

[trojansc]

Nov 25, 2017 14:01:08 GMT -5 vawbaw said:

I hope the committee minimizes the amount of seeded teams from the same conference in the same regional by distributing teams from similar conferences across all 4 regionals as much as possible.  If the committee has to place more than one Pac 12 or B1G team in the same regional, they should choose teams that were only able to play once instead of twice in the regular conference season.  The committee should also do its best to place the winners and runner ups of the Pac 12, B1G, and BIGXII on opposite sides of the bracket.

The committee screwed the PAC in 2010.. They placed USC, Stanford, Cal, and Washington all on the same half of the bracket. They all 4 made the Elite 8, and had to play each other into the semifinals, and then Cal beat USC to go to the national championship.......

They don't seem to care anything about placement after the subregionals are done.