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Post by bayarea on Nov 27, 2017 15:47:39 GMT -5
You have to substitute proboards.com for net: "http://volleytalk.net/thread/64745/another-alleged-abuse-rick-butler?page=6"" I fail to find anything egregious that resulted in the banning...went back several pages. Unfortunately you are correct. I've said it a few times now. In 1995, RB was banned for life from coaching Jr. Girls by USA Volleyball, that ban has never been altered or lifted. In 2010, he formed JVA and then affiliated his club with AAU so he would still have a National Championship to collect awards from. The ban by USA did little to keep him from coaching. Now it's up to AAU and JVA. I don't see the organization he formed banning him, but you never know. AAU will also not ban him because of the amount of teams he's brought to them. So sad that it all comes down to $$$$. I find Butler's behavior egregious. I meant I didn't find any egregious post on that thread that resulted in TruthandJustice being banned.
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Post by cabinfever on Nov 27, 2017 18:55:02 GMT -5
Tomclen, since when are you the arbiter of subjects that remain on page 1? And no one here is thinking less of the victims of Mr. Butler's sexual assault, well, unless you do, since you are the first and only one to mention it. We support these strong women victims 100%. Mr. Butler should retire while he can. Otherwise, I pray his past finally catches up with him. And all you Chicago-area folks searching for an almighty volleyball scholarship for your daughters or sons through this supposed Savior of Volleyball, please seek another route, either via another club or an academic scholarship. I cannot be the only person on VT wishing this guy would go away, either of his own volition or by being forced out. The longer he remains in his lofty ("master coach") position, the more he tarnishes our sport.
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Post by tomclen on Nov 27, 2017 19:00:51 GMT -5
Tomclen, since when are you the arbiter of subjects that remain on page 1? And no one here is thinking less of the victims of Mr. Butler's sexual assault, well, unless you do, since you are the first and only one to mention it. We support these strong women victims 100%. Mr. Butler should retire while he can. Otherwise, I pray his past finally catches up with him. And all you Chicago-area folks searching for an almighty volleyball scholarship for your daughters or sons through this supposed Savior of Volleyball, please seek another route, either via another club or an academic scholarship. I cannot be the only person on VT wishing this guy would go away, either of his own volition or by being forced out. The longer he remains in his lofty ("master coach") position, the more he tarnishes our sport. I have no idea what you're talking about. I'll assume you lack reading comprehension skills, or you're drunk.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Nov 28, 2017 8:45:51 GMT -5
Tomclen, since when are you the arbiter of subjects that remain on page 1? And no one here is thinking less of the victims of Mr. Butler's sexual assault, well, unless you do, since you are the first and only one to mention it. We support these strong women victims 100%. Mr. Butler should retire while he can. Otherwise, I pray his past finally catches up with him. And all you Chicago-area folks searching for an almighty volleyball scholarship for your daughters or sons through this supposed Savior of Volleyball, please seek another route, either via another club or an academic scholarship. I cannot be the only person on VT wishing this guy would go away, either of his own volition or by being forced out. The longer he remains in his lofty ("master coach") position, the more he tarnishes our sport. I have no idea what you're talking about. I'll assume you lack reading comprehension skills, or you're drunk. They definitely have no idea what they are talking about, the last few posts this account has are about the subject, while the enthusiasm is appreciated they are just blanket statements from reading VT and SPVB website. And frankly every Rick Butler thread should be pinned to the first page or put in a folder where every single person that comes to this site can read every single bit of material that has been provided to the message board for all new and uninformed people to educate themselves of the horrible monster he is. cabinfever you are not the only person that wishes he would go away, unfortunately majority of the younger half of his enrollment and their parents most likely have no idea of what hes been accused of (honestly what he has done) and when they start to inquire about it I am more than positive they get the same old deflection and misdirection from the staff and other supporters they have tricked into believing this is all a witch hunt. I am a long time Chicago area folk and have spread this story long before twitter, facebook, or snapchat existed and people used to just stare at me like how dare I make an accusation like that or spread lies. Unfortunately at this point unless the new accusations hit hard and AAU and JVA ban him, which is highly unlikely from the latter of those two, he will continue to coach the top 18's team and design all practice plans for the older age groups until he decides that he wants to be done. Parents know the size and success and that is what gravitates them to have their kids train there, it does not help that the long time area coaches, and former players turned coaches, pretty much have a blind faith and support of him like he is another man. As long as there is a relative, informative, thread on this board that is active I will continue to comment and bump to the top page. I would love for this man to pay for his transgressions but honestly if the pressure got to be too much where he decides to just go away it will be a huge step forward in the right direction. Ultimately he has already started to become the poster boy for all that is wrong with inappropriate coach/player relationships, and hopefully the next sick person that makes this mistake, and those that follow them, will all see the full extent of the punishment to deter other future sickos.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 8:49:56 GMT -5
The fact is, if it didn't happen to you, then it's human nature to think it didn't happen at all. Unfortunately, reality doesn't work that way. Ultimately, that's all the Carlinis, Haggertys, Van Dykes, etc. etc. can claim: It didn't happen to our daughter. The conclusion they seem to draw from that is faulty, at best.
I would really like to know what these families think these women have to gain by making their stories known. That's what I have never understood. Why would you NOT believe them?
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Post by vawbaw on Nov 28, 2017 9:04:09 GMT -5
The fact is, if it didn't happen to you, then it's human nature to think it didn't happen at all. Unfortunately, reality doesn't work that way. Ultimately, that's all the Carlinis, Haggertys, Van Dykes, etc. etc. can claim: It didn't happen to our daughter. The conclusion they seem to draw from that is faulty, at best. I would really like to know what these families think these women have to gain by making their stories known. That's what I have never understood. Why would you NOT believe them? Haggertys and Carlini think the victims are out to get Rick’s money.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 9:12:38 GMT -5
Some of the problem is that the initial situation involved a business dispute/jilted relationship with that partner--and that the accusations weren't brought forward for the good of the victims, but to lash out.
That unfortunately leaves room for those doubts to continue. That put the victims in a crappy position and I suspect if the truth were out there, there's more than three that this happened to.
If there is a bright side--it is that awareness has now grown, victims can now come forward more easily (not perfect--but getting better), and that sports organizations are FINALLY taking this seriously (and so it seems is Hollywood/politics as well)
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Post by swimrowvball on Nov 28, 2017 9:34:30 GMT -5
I can tell you that parents at Sports Performance joke about the accusations...seriously it is a “joking matter” there with the long time parents. The rumor has also been spread that one of the women (Sarah) was planning to move from FL to IL to start another competing club and was after Sports Performance’s business. Anything to deflect personal accountability. Families treat him like the gatekeeper of their daughters’ careers.
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Post by ProfessorPlum on Nov 28, 2017 9:44:18 GMT -5
The fact is, if it didn't happen to you, then it's human nature to think it didn't happen at all. Unfortunately, reality doesn't work that way. Ultimately, that's all the Carlinis, Haggertys, Van Dykes, etc. etc. can claim: It didn't happen to our daughter. The conclusion they seem to draw from that is faulty, at best. I would really like to know what these families think these women have to gain by making their stories known. That's what I have never understood. Why would you NOT believe them? Those families are part of the problem. Plain and simple! Great players...yes...but I will never be a fan and every time someone mentions them I respond “she played for RB”. That Scarlett Letter gives me the chance to tell the RB story to the nextgen!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 9:48:06 GMT -5
Are we this ridiculous? After his money? He can keep his stinkin money just leave and stay away from volleyball and women.
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Post by ProfessorPlum on Nov 28, 2017 9:51:57 GMT -5
The fact is, if it didn't happen to you, then it's human nature to think it didn't happen at all. Unfortunately, reality doesn't work that way. Ultimately, that's all the Carlinis, Haggertys, Van Dykes, etc. etc. can claim: It didn't happen to our daughter. The conclusion they seem to draw from that is faulty, at best. I would really like to know what these families think these women have to gain by making their stories known. That's what I have never understood. Why would you NOT believe them? Haggertys and Carlini think the victims are out to get Rick’s money. With maturity they will be ashamed of their support. I pray that they have a soft landing when that reality hits them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 10:26:10 GMT -5
Haggertys and Carlini think the victims are out to get Rick’s money. With maturity they will be ashamed of their support. I pray that they have a soft landing when that reality hits them. Dude, you need to be smarter than that. Vawbaw is a troll from an opposing b10 school and apparently unemployed and spends most of his time making %*$# up on here.
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Post by vawbaw on Nov 28, 2017 10:38:17 GMT -5
With maturity they will be ashamed of their support. I pray that they have a soft landing when that reality hits them. Dude, you need to be smarter than that. Vawbaw is a troll from an opposing b10 school and apparently unemployed and spends most of his time making %*$# up on here. Haggertys and Carlini have gone on record defending Rick Butler multiple times! How the hell can you deny this, too? You are such a muppet for Wisconsin. It’s bad enough that we have supporters of Butler on here denying his sexual abuse. We don’t need a muppet Badger fan denying that the Haggertys and Carlini have posted publicly on social media in support of this monster.
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Post by Tall Surprise on Nov 28, 2017 10:43:04 GMT -5
I can tell you that parents at Sports Performance joke about the accusations...seriously it is a “joking matter” there with the long time parents. The rumor has also been spread that one of the women (Sarah) was planning to move from FL to IL to start another competing club and was after Sports Performance’s business. Anything to deflect personal accountability. Families treat him like the gatekeeper of their daughters’ careers. This is unbelievably sad. As a parent, there is no way in hell I would ever let my daughter play for anyone with his reputation. This goes further than just some girls accused him, he admitted to having a sexual relationship with them. Plus, there is more than enough evidence for me as a father to say this is someone I do not want in my daughters life. I don't want to call all these parents bad, but it is a questionable parenting choice in my opinion (emphasis on in my opinion). If you are good enough, there are other clubs that can also get you a college scholarship. Rape/sexual abuse is not a joking matter. The attitude of well it is not happening to my daughter does not mean it did not happen. I would guess that people who seek out this power over youth are never able to not think this way. As they get older, they might be better at controlling their impulses, but the thoughts still remain (again my opinion without doing any formal research).
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Post by ProfessorPlum on Nov 28, 2017 10:53:51 GMT -5
Dude, you need to be smarter than that. Vawbaw is a troll from an opposing b10 school and apparently unemployed and spends most of his time making %*$# up on here. Haggertys and Carlini have gone on record defending Rick Butler multiple times! How the hell can you deny this, too? You are such a muppet for Wisconsin. It’s bad enough that we have supporters of Butler on here denying his sexual abuse. We don’t need a muppet Badger fan denying that the Haggertys and Carlini have posted publicly on social media in support of this monster. If any reporters did real investigative work anymore someone would ask Carlini to defend her support in light of these new stories and videos. Do it at her next Addidas sponsored event. Or better yet ask an Addidas Execituve at their next presser about Carlini and her support of this creep. It doesn’t even need to be a Carlini or volleyball event. Reporters: The NCAA Final Four VB is coming soon and hopefully Addidas will be there...ASK THEM?
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