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Post by vbnerd on Nov 29, 2017 13:29:11 GMT -5
Has anyone seen Wichita State this year?
They were in their first year in the AAC, won the conference and received a 16 seed. That's pretty notable. That they did it with a roster of 25 players is pretty incredible, especially considering 8 never played. They have 6 RS-Freshman on the roster, which is more than I've ever seen on one team.
They have 5 players who play all the time, including a setter who appears to be running a 5-1. That leaves 20 players for about 2 spots.
They still only have 12 scholarships so how are they getting all of these players?
How do they get walk-ons to redshirt?
What do they do in practice with 25 players?
Are the last 8 just a scout team or what?
How does this work, that they do things so different than the rest of the country and make it work so well?
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Post by bigfan on Nov 29, 2017 14:06:50 GMT -5
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Post by trojansc on Nov 29, 2017 14:07:15 GMT -5
Not only did they win the mighty AAC, they swept the conference! Didn't lose a match.
Abbie Lehman is amazing. Hiebert is really good too. Wichita State plays alot like Northern Iowa. They're fun to watch. I like Wichita to make it to the sweet 16.
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Post by Steve vb on Nov 29, 2017 14:11:20 GMT -5
Not only did they win the mighty AAC, they swept the conference! Didn't lose a set. Abbie Lehman is amazing. Hiebert is really good too. Wichita State plays alot like Northern Iowa. They're fun to watch. I like Wichita to make it to the sweet 16. Like Northern Iowa, but with bigger blockers.... and this year, with more athletic outsides.
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Post by mervinswerved on Nov 29, 2017 14:11:43 GMT -5
First off, Lambo is a wizard.
As to the giant roster, they used to have this crazy6v6 coop and competitive drill where the entire team continuously rotated in and out and would continue for some crazy long period of time. They tried explaining it to my once, but I couldn't reproduce it without seeing it at least on video. Their staff said the kids loved it. Don't know if it's still part of their program.
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Post by vbcoach06 on Nov 29, 2017 14:11:49 GMT -5
Not only did they win the mighty AAC, they swept the conference! Didn't lose a set. Abbie Lehman is amazing. Hiebert is really good too. Wichita State plays alot like Northern Iowa. They're fun to watch. I like Wichita to make it to the sweet 16. Actually, they lost 5 sets (3 to UCF, 1 to Temple, 1 to SMU). However, your point remains the same-they're very impressive!
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Post by trojansc on Nov 29, 2017 14:17:51 GMT -5
Not only did they win the mighty AAC, they swept the conference! Didn't lose a set. Abbie Lehman is amazing. Hiebert is really good too. Wichita State plays alot like Northern Iowa. They're fun to watch. I like Wichita to make it to the sweet 16. Actually, they lost 5 sets (3 to UCF, 1 to Temple, 1 to SMU). However, your point remains the same-they're very impressive! Oops, meant to say lose a match. If they didn't lose a set, that'd be ridiculous. That match at Temple was really fun to watch. Asci was playing and Temple pushed Wichita State to the brink. A controversial call changed the match. There was a really AWFUL line call (think Carli Snyder / Texas). Multiple Temple players went to the up ref like "Are you crazy??? That was way in". on the replay you could see it wasn't even close, way in. Had Temple won that match and Asci stayed healthy, they could have gave Wichita a run for their money.
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Post by trojansc on Nov 29, 2017 14:21:14 GMT -5
Not only did they win the mighty AAC, they swept the conference! Didn't lose a set. Abbie Lehman is amazing. Hiebert is really good too. Wichita State plays alot like Northern Iowa. They're fun to watch. I like Wichita to make it to the sweet 16. Like Northern Iowa, but with bigger blockers.... and this year, with more athletic outsides. Yes, I agree with you. But they both have a monster middle that they ride alot, and have excellent setters. They really spread the ball around and are effective at the net/attacking as well.
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Post by flyingMoose on Nov 29, 2017 14:28:10 GMT -5
Lambo (actually, Chris Lamb - the other is local vernacular) started with club volleyball, so he is quite comfortable with a gym full of girls. Some of the roster are area girls who want to part of a successful program even if they never/rarely see the court. But he develops talent too. Both Abbie Lehman (AAC Player of the Year) and Emily Hiebert (Setter of the Year) are from 30 miles up the road. No matter what part of the country you come from (Oregon and Virgina are on the roster), you are likely to redshirt your freshman year. You pay the first year, we pay the next four I think, but I am not sure of the arrangement.
More detail: they trailed UCF 1-2 on the road and won the last two sets, 25-15, 15-10.
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Post by jaypak on Nov 29, 2017 14:43:50 GMT -5
No one has mentioned Civita, their outstanding libero, who was player of the match when they beat Creighton. Booth admitted afterward to getting outcoached by Lambo. His 25-player roster reminds me of the old Husker football days when there were like 100 walk-ons, many of whom never played a snap in a varsity game.
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Post by flyingMoose on Nov 29, 2017 16:11:52 GMT -5
No one has mentioned Civita, their outstanding libero, who was player of the match when they beat Creighton. Booth admitted afterward to getting outcoached by Lambo. His 25-player roster reminds me of the old Husker football days when there were like 100 walk-ons, many of whom never played a snap in a varsity game. From Milan, Italy. Messed up her knee early in her freshman year, got a medical redshirt, playing now as a freshman. Re Booth's comment, one of the things Lambo seems to do particularly well is adjust his game plan on the fly based on what the opponent is doing. He may throw the whole thing out and go with something entirely different - a bit of a mad scientist. Due to the "crazy gym" he runs, this doesn't seem to bother the players at all, and they play on.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 19:52:04 GMT -5
Abbie Lehman is really, really good.
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Post by notpriddy (COIF) on Nov 30, 2017 7:05:23 GMT -5
I am curious about athletes receiving non-athletic scholarship financial grants. Yes, in every NCAA sport there is a prescribed amount of athletic scholarships that a university can fund per NCAA rules, however, through academic scholarships and financial-need grants, well-funded universities can award (as far as I am aware) unlimited financial help to athletes. Wichita State is very fortunate in that they are supported by the Koch Brothers. These are the same Koch Brothers that I believe are the biggest contributors to the Republican Party in the nation, making sure that every conservative Republican running for Congress is well-funded . Checking Wikipedia, Koch Industries is the second largest privately owned company in the U.S. with revenues in 2013 of $115 billion. The primary athletic arena on the Wichita State campus is called the Charles Koch Arena that was primarily funded by the Koch Brothers. My suspicion is that the Koch's are willing to do anything financially that they can to make sure that athletic teams at Wichita State are well-funded. Other than the Koch's, I know that Oklahoma State athletics is very well funded by a very rich donor. Since the Cowboys (Cowgirls?) don't as of yet have a volleyball program, this donor must not have much interest in women's volleyball.
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Post by hornfanaustin on Nov 30, 2017 8:57:15 GMT -5
I am curious about athletes receiving non-athletic scholarship financial grants. Yes, in every NCAA sport there is a prescribed amount of athletic scholarships that a university can fund per NCAA rules, however, through academic scholarships and financial-need grants, well-funded universities can award (as far as I am aware) unlimited financial help to athletes. Wichita State is very fortunate in that they are supported by the Koch Brothers. These are the same Koch Brothers that I believe are the biggest contributors to the Republican Party in the nation, making sure that every conservative Republican running for Congress is well-funded . Checking Wikipedia, Koch Industries is the second largest privately owned company in the U.S. with revenues in 2013 of $115 billion. The primary athletic arena on the Wichita State campus is called the Charles Koch Arena that was primarily funded by the Koch Brothers. My suspicion is that the Koch's are willing to do anything financially that they can to make sure that athletic teams at Wichita State are well-funded. Other than the Koch's, I know that Oklahoma State athletics is very well funded by a very rich donor. Since the Cowboys (Cowgirls?) don't as of yet have a volleyball program, this donor must not have much interest in women's volleyball. Valid points. However remember that there is the Title IX influence on sports they fund or do not fund. Their currently funded sports are: While, I a UT homer, would love to have MORE VOLLEYBALL teams in the Big 12, I wouldn't get exited about UT adding an Equestrian team (as I'm sure OSU wishes that more Big 12 schools had Equestrian as well) Hunh, just realized they didn't have a swimming/diving team. UT has a rowing team that they only recently phased in a few years ago. Some people might find that a superfluous sport. (Texas Relays is not a team sport, it's a big yearly track meet that Texas holds) [Updated] It piqued my curiosity so I went and looked at WSU's sports teams: Surprised to see one more women's team than men's team - but again Title IX. Although it's odd to see Cross Country listed as a separate team. I know that some universities resort to double-counting. i.e. counting the CC team members also on the Track & Field as well. I'm not saying WSU does this, though.
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Post by mervinswerved on Nov 30, 2017 9:26:18 GMT -5
I am curious about athletes receiving non-athletic scholarship financial grants. Yes, in every NCAA sport there is a prescribed amount of athletic scholarships that a university can fund per NCAA rules, however, through academic scholarships and financial-need grants, well-funded universities can award (as far as I am aware) unlimited financial help to athletes. Wichita State is very fortunate in that they are supported by the Koch Brothers. These are the same Koch Brothers that I believe are the biggest contributors to the Republican Party in the nation, making sure that every conservative Republican running for Congress is well-funded . Checking Wikipedia, Koch Industries is the second largest privately owned company in the U.S. with revenues in 2013 of $115 billion. The primary athletic arena on the Wichita State campus is called the Charles Koch Arena that was primarily funded by the Koch Brothers. My suspicion is that the Koch's are willing to do anything financially that they can to make sure that athletic teams at Wichita State are well-funded. Other than the Koch's, I know that Oklahoma State athletics is very well funded by a very rich donor. Since the Cowboys (Cowgirls?) don't as of yet have a volleyball program, this donor must not have much interest in women's volleyball. Anyone receiving need-based or merit (academic) financial aid gets it through the same process as every other student at the university. There can't be influence from the athletic department or it would be considered athletic aid (and violate scholarship limits). That's not just WSU, that's everywhere. Coaches can work with the Financial Aid and Admissions departments to get preliminary reads on kids, but they're still not the decision makers. It's fine to say, "Suzie, after looking at your application, admissions says you're going to receive about $20,000 in academic scholarships. Do you want to walk on?" It's not OK to tell admissions to give out money because the athletic department says so. Outside of NCAA issues, every school has internal regulations about how need-based and academic aid is awarded. Breaking those rules can get the school in some deep trouble, as those regulations are required by the accrediting body, the federal government (for Stafford/Perkins loans), and state governments (for public schools). But, schools with significant endowments can often offer more money to the general student body, making recruiting walk-ons a little easier. Stanford, for example, has incredible tuition discounts. Families making less than $125,000 a year pay no tuition. Families making less than $65,000 pay nothing at all.
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