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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 7, 2017 1:39:46 GMT -5
And there's no "mystical" aspect to the secondary sex traits that males gain over puberty and put them on a different level athletically. What traits? Look, if it's not height, jump touch, reflex speed, strength, etc. then what is it? Exactly which secondary sexual traits are you referring to?
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Post by liberosetter101 on Dec 7, 2017 2:23:06 GMT -5
It’s basically 2018 yo. Get with the program peeps. Go Tiffany!
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Post by dd2000 on Dec 7, 2017 6:47:56 GMT -5
And there's no "mystical" aspect to the secondary sex traits that males gain over puberty and put them on a different level athletically. What traits? Look, if it's not height, jump touch, reflex speed, strength, etc. then what is it? Exactly which secondary sexual traits are you referring to? Why define the traits further, when all you have to do is look at athletes through every sport. If women could make the men's teams, they'd play on the mens teams. Not every man is gong to be better than a female athlete, which seems to be the argument you are trying to make. But then that's a ridiculous argument. No professional WNBA player will ever make the NBA. The same holds true for volleyball and most team sports.
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Post by spikeninja on Dec 7, 2017 7:50:21 GMT -5
Seriously. The death of common sense has arrived. Good grief you all have had the whole pitcher of Kool Aid.
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Post by volleyball303 on Dec 7, 2017 8:17:00 GMT -5
Seriously. The death of common sense has arrived. Good grief you all have had the whole pitcher of Kool Aid. If you read the entire post I would say it’s about 75% against her playing and 25% for. As always the ones that a for are just louder.
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Post by spikeninja on Dec 7, 2017 8:32:50 GMT -5
Seriously. The death of common sense has arrived. Good grief you all have had the whole pitcher of Kool Aid. If you read the entire post I would say it’s about 75% against her playing and 25% for. As always the ones that a for are just louder. Then I guess I am speaking to the 25%. It could 98% to 2% and I would make the same statement because common sense would dictate that it's not worth even a thread let's alone an 8 page thread. All you have to do is look at simple science to know it's not congruent. Feelings are not facts.
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Post by Seahawks 1972 on Dec 7, 2017 8:50:37 GMT -5
Seriously. The death of common sense has arrived. Good grief you all have had the whole pitcher of Kool Aid. If you read the entire post I would say it’s about 75% against her playing and 25% for. As always the ones that a for are just louder. By the time this situation has landed here at VT, it's been poked and prodded to death by the experts in charge that make the decisions. So whether it be scientific, natural or ethical it's all about inclusion and providing an opportunity to grow as sport that imho remains progressive and fair. Quoting facts from professionals is okay but self satisfying interpretations and assumptions from those facts can be dangerous and loses it's validity. As a senior athlete that still participates in the sport that I love, I say bring it. I feel grateful to still be blessed to be playing at a competitive level at my age. I wouldn't want to be excluded from anything because someone thought I was different. Our society is better than some of the fearful rhetoric that surfaces time to time. Equality is for everyone not just a select group period. Finding solutions for including anyone is good for our sport and good for our country. Should we just start categorizing all athletes that are of the exact same genetic composition and have them play each other only? Again, I say bring it. I'll find a way to hit around her, use and abuse her on the court Try not to get too wrapped up in the fear, in case someone close to you in your family or community that may need the same empathy that is shown by many here and throughout our beautiful country. Boom
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Post by durtpile on Dec 7, 2017 9:16:51 GMT -5
He can call himself a woman but it will NEVER be! You have contributed so much to the discussion with your small-minded post. Thank you. He is a eunuch, not a woman.
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Post by spikeninja on Dec 7, 2017 9:49:24 GMT -5
You have contributed so much to the discussion with your small-minded post. Thank you. He is a eunuch, not a woman. LOL...why do I always think of Mel Brooks History of the World Part 1 when I see the word eunuch?
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 7, 2017 10:03:41 GMT -5
Seriously. The death of common sense has arrived. Good grief you all have had the whole pitcher of Kool Aid. If you read the entire post I would say it’s about 75% against her playing and 25% for. As always the ones that a for are just louder. We just have more knowledge to do present. And fighring injustice, intolerance, ignorance, and hate takes loud voices.
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 7, 2017 10:11:32 GMT -5
You have contributed so much to the discussion with your small-minded post. Thank you. He is a eunuch, not a woman. She is a woman, as defined by the country of Brazil, the FIVB, etc. Luckily you aren’t in a position to make any determinations about her rights in society or in sport. Thankfully you calling her deragayory names can’t change the decisions of regulators that know more than you, have learned more than you, and care more about the sport than you.
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Post by durtpile on Dec 7, 2017 11:35:27 GMT -5
He is a eunuch, not a woman. She is a woman, as defined by the country of Brazil, the FIVB, etc. Luckily you aren’t in a position to make any determinations about her rights in society or in sport. Thankfully you calling her deragayory names can’t change the decisions of regulators that know more than you, have learned more than you, and care more about the sport than you. Eunuch is a derogatory word? It is a real word, describing a very real situation. You seem to want others to conclude - as you appear to have done - that facts, definitions, and reality, no longer matter. Who "learned" more than me? I know the definition of words, which is more than some can say. eu·nuch ˈyo͞onək/ noun noun: eunuch; plural noun: eunuchs a man who has been castrated If you don't like the definition, you can sue the people that make the dictionaries, eh? btw, you might want to make note of the fact that a person has to be a man/male to become a eunuch.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Dec 7, 2017 11:59:11 GMT -5
He can call himself a woman but it will NEVER be! Did you just call a human being an “it”?
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Post by Fight On! on Dec 7, 2017 12:30:39 GMT -5
She is a woman, as defined by the country of Brazil, the FIVB, etc. Luckily you aren’t in a position to make any determinations about her rights in society or in sport. Thankfully you calling her deragayory names can’t change the decisions of regulators that know more than you, have learned more than you, and care more about the sport than you. Eunuch is a derogatory word? It is a real word, describing a very real situation. You seem to want others to conclude - as you appear to have done - that facts, definitions, and reality, no longer matter. Who "learned" more than me? I know the definition of words, which is more than some can say. eu·nuch ˈyo͞onək/ noun noun: eunuch; plural noun: eunuchs a man who has been castrated If you don't like the definition, you can sue the people that make the dictionaries, eh? btw, you might want to make note of the fact that a person has to be a man/male to become a eunuch. Yes, referring to a transwoman as a eunuch is derogatory. You apparently know what the dictionary says that words mean, but not how to use them properly in social situations to not sound like an uneducated fool.
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Post by durtpile on Dec 7, 2017 12:35:03 GMT -5
He can call himself a woman but it will NEVER be! Did you just call a human being an “it”? Grammatical usage, doncha know. In this case, it references the inferred "such a thing will never be". "it" can also be used to refer to a person or thing already mentioned in the sentence.
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