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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 21:56:49 GMT -5
TCB was an Olympic starter at 32 and made the Athens roster at 35/36. Weaver was not 100% dedicated to a pro career. When she did play, she got contracts at high-level clubs. She was in Azerbaijan even early this decade. She could easily hang with Wilson and Harmotto. Overseas play and NT (after it moved to Anaheim) became much more accessible after she graduated, and I think she'd be on a different course if she graduated into the situation others did. Is Kehoe going to hold up at the net against the Hodges, Fawcetts and Plummers? And Misty May would side that squad out so well it almost wouldn't matter. It would be interesting to see the "stronger, faster, higher, more athletic" types playing six rotations, with limited substitutions, going to 30. I wonder how well that would work? Hodge, Fawcett, Brown, Klineman, Nnamani, and Tom were all athletes that played six rotations and played in 2007 (the last season sets were played to 30 points) or before. That's kinda exactly the point.
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Post by SakiBomb25 on Jan 9, 2018 22:28:58 GMT -5
And here's my all-time list for Santa Clara University: OH1: Ynez Carrasco OH2: Kim McGiven MB1: Becky Potter MB2: Stacey MacDonough S: Crystal Mattich OPP: Cassie Perret L: Caroline Walters First off the bench: Nikki Hess (OH) Wow. You went seriously old school with Stacey. I'm feeling really old now. Granted, I never saw MacDonough play, but she was an All-Conference player all four years and led the league in blocks two of those years. I initially had Anna Cmaylo as the second middle, but I wanted to make sure some of the old-timers got represented as well!
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Post by bballnut90 on Jan 10, 2018 1:08:21 GMT -5
This is one case where I would disagree with you. May, Scott and Tara Cross were singular athletes and volleyball players that could compete in any era, and Cheryl Weaver is still one of the best pure athletes I have ever seen. May would have made Haneef much better. Klineman, Kehoe possibly Inky don't really match up, and neither do Fawcett, Wilson or Brown. I also think the Hawaii all-time list ranks right up there as well. I disagree with you. Regarding Stanford: Inky + Foluke > Weaver and Scott. Inky and Foluke play MUCH faster ball than either of those two and I think they would give them fits. Foluke hit at a higher percentage than either of them in a very competitive 2007 and Inky hit above .400 her senior year when literally every team knew the ball was always going to her. Misty May is brilliant - but a strong left side hitter would abuse her height in the front row. Not sure how you don't think Klineman matches up... she had one of the best senior seasons of ANY collegiate players to date. And she's tall. Regarding Penn State: 1) I don't think many people are putting Wilson on their teams, are they? 2) Fawcett + Hodge as the 1, 2 punch was the most fatal OH combo in history. If we are taking their NCAA selfs, I don't know who you think Fawcett doesn't match up against. I think Long Beach's top team would hold up fine. Beach never had much height (sans 2001)--they always thrived on passing and defense. Their first 2 contacts are arguably better than any other team's. Most of Long Beach's players played 20-30 years ago, but I think all would do fine in a faster era. Also, the offense May ran was way ahead of its time. It was very fast filled with quicks, 31s, combination plays, back 1s, slides, fast sets to the outside, etc. More dynamic than a lot of offenses run today. Scott and Cross-Battle both excelled internationally playing faster volleyball, they'd be fine in a fast offense with Misty setting them. Haneef at 6-7 would match up well with anyone, and Weaver was a very physical middle blocker who could dominate a match. A lot of people thought she was going to win POY over Logan Tom in 2001. She'd hold her own. If you picked a weak point, it would arguably be White, who is undersized at OH in today's era. I haven't seen a ton of her, but compared to the slew of Olympians on the roster, I'd assume she'd be the weakest link. If White couldn't hold her own, you could put Haneef on the left and then bring in Hochevar on the RS and either have her be a 2nd setter to May like Courtney Thomas was to Lauren Carlini a couple of years ago, or you could run a 6-2 and have both her and Misty hit. May would be small for hitting at 5-9, but I have little doubt she'd find success considering how crafty she was on the beach and in college. She'd also be a dynamite passer for 3 rotations. Hochevar is a step down from the others on the court, but she had a NASTY Micha Hancock-esque jump serve and did everything well even if she wasn't exceptional at any one skill (excluding serving). Regarding May as a blocker--she isn't tall (5-9), but she was a strong blocker and would hold up well in that department compared to most other setters besides maybe Alisha Glass. Keep in mind, an in system Megan Hodge will have 0 trouble hitting over any setter blocking on the right, whether it be Sharpley, Kehoe, Hunter, etc. Long Beach doesn't have depth like other programs do, but they're as top heavy as they come. When looking at the different lists, I think Penn State and Stanford would be the overall favorites, with Nebraska and Long Beach just a step down in the next tier. Any matchup among those 4 would be hard fought and could go either way.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Jan 10, 2018 1:24:22 GMT -5
I disagree with you. Regarding Stanford: Inky + Foluke > Weaver and Scott. Inky and Foluke play MUCH faster ball than either of those two and I think they would give them fits. Foluke hit at a higher percentage than either of them in a very competitive 2007 and Inky hit above .400 her senior year when literally every team knew the ball was always going to her. Misty May is brilliant - but a strong left side hitter would abuse her height in the front row. Not sure how you don't think Klineman matches up... she had one of the best senior seasons of ANY collegiate players to date. And she's tall. Regarding Penn State: 1) I don't think many people are putting Wilson on their teams, are they? 2) Fawcett + Hodge as the 1, 2 punch was the most fatal OH combo in history. If we are taking their NCAA selfs, I don't know who you think Fawcett doesn't match up against. I think Long Beach's top team would hold up fine. Beach never had much height (sans 2001)--they always thrived on passing and defense. Their first 2 contacts are arguably better than any other team's. Most of Long Beach's players played 20-30 years ago, but I think all would do fine in a faster era. Also, the offense May ran was way ahead of its time. It was very fast filled with quicks, 31s, combination plays, back 1s, slides, fast sets to the outside, etc. More dynamic than a lot of offenses run today. Scott and Cross-Battle both excelled internationally playing faster volleyball, they'd be fine in a fast offense with Misty setting them. Haneef at 6-7 would match up well with anyone, and Weaver was a very physical middle blocker who could dominate a match. A lot of people thought she was going to win POY over Logan Tom in 2001. She'd hold her own. If you picked a weak point, it would arguably be White, who is undersized at OH in today's era. I haven't seen a ton of her, but compared to the slew of Olympians on the roster, I'd assume she'd be the weakest link. If White couldn't hold her own, you could put Haneef on the left and then bring in Hochevar on the RS and either have her be a 2nd setter to May like Courtney Thomas was to Lauren Carlini a couple of years ago, or you could run a 6-2 and have both her and Misty hit. May would be small for hitting at 5-9, but I have little doubt she'd find success considering how crafty she was on the beach and in college. She'd also be a dynamite passer for 3 rotations. Hochevar is a step down from the others on the court, but she had a NASTY Micha Hancock-esque jump serve and did everything well even if she wasn't exceptional at any one skill (excluding serving). Regarding May as a blocker--she isn't tall (5-9), but she was a strong blocker and would hold up well in that department compared to most other setters besides maybe Alisha Glass. Keep in mind, an in system Megan Hodge will have 0 trouble hitting over any setter blocking on the right, whether it be Sharpley, Kehoe, Hunter, etc. Long Beach doesn't have depth like other programs do, but they're as top heavy as they come. When looking at the different lists, I think Penn State and Stanford would be the overall favorites, with Nebraska and Long Beach just a step down in the next tier. Any matchup among those 4 would be hard fought and could go either way. Hawaii definitely competes with those teams. You a multiple NPOY OH, a npoy OH, a 6 rotation npoy middle, a npoy middle, arguably one of the best setters USA has produced in ah mow. Opp with taylor or kahumoku is questionable but both were absolute complete players with taylor having better blocking numbers than some middles, and a libero in possinly danielson, who ball control was second to none. UCLA and USC also compete. LBSU, Hawaii, stanford, nebraska, Penn State, ucla and usc all will be a dog fight.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 10:34:02 GMT -5
Hawaii'd get smoked.
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Post by donut on Jan 10, 2018 11:06:16 GMT -5
I disagree with you. Regarding Stanford: Inky + Foluke > Weaver and Scott. Inky and Foluke play MUCH faster ball than either of those two and I think they would give them fits. Foluke hit at a higher percentage than either of them in a very competitive 2007 and Inky hit above .400 her senior year when literally every team knew the ball was always going to her. Misty May is brilliant - but a strong left side hitter would abuse her height in the front row. Not sure how you don't think Klineman matches up... she had one of the best senior seasons of ANY collegiate players to date. And she's tall. Regarding Penn State: 1) I don't think many people are putting Wilson on their teams, are they? 2) Fawcett + Hodge as the 1, 2 punch was the most fatal OH combo in history. If we are taking their NCAA selfs, I don't know who you think Fawcett doesn't match up against. Danielle or Cheryl could have put Fawcett in her own special phone booth. Foluke has never been a particularly good blocker. Danielle played against the Cubans and Japan-she can do fast. I love Alix and have known her most of her life, and watched her practice and play club. She's terrific, but you're just wrong about where she stacks up. And of course, no one ever abused Misty May. 1) Weaver was never as dominant as Fawcett, point in blank (also why are you comparing MBs to an OH?). 2) Foluke was in the top 3 in blocks in BOTH of the last 2 Olympics. Foluke is a very good blocker and very good at getting to the pins quickly, which many many many middles against top competition struggle with. PLUS (again) she hit higher than either Cheryl or DSA in a more competitive 2007. 3) Since when is Cuba known as having had a "fast" offense...? Japan was also never a "fast to the pins" offense - they were fast to the various players who may have been attacking from the middle area of the court. Again I think the game from 2005-2009 was more athletic, skilled and competitive than previous years, and it was arguably the best 4-5 years of NCAA volleyball ever in terms of individual athletes.
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 10, 2018 11:50:27 GMT -5
Danielle or Cheryl could have put Fawcett in her own special phone booth. Foluke has never been a particularly good blocker. Danielle played against the Cubans and Japan-she can do fast. I love Alix and have known her most of her life, and watched her practice and play club. She's terrific, but you're just wrong about where she stacks up. And of course, no one ever abused Misty May. 1) Weaver was never as dominant as Fawcett, point in blank (also why are you comparing MBs to an OH?). 2) Foluke was in the top 3 in blocks in BOTH of the last 2 Olympics. Foluke is a very good blocker and very good at getting to the pins quickly, which many many many middles against top competition struggle with. PLUS (again) she hit higher than either Cheryl or DSA in a more competitive 2007. 3) Since when is Cuba known as having had a "fast" offense...? Japan was also never a "fast to the pins" offense - they were fast to the various players who may have been attacking from the middle area of the court. Again I think the game from 2005-2009 was more athletic, skilled and competitive than previous years, and it was arguably the best 4-5 years of NCAA volleyball ever in terms of individual athletes. 1. I said that Weaver and DSA could put Fawcett, who was a powerful but one dimensional hitter (and still is) in a phone booth. Where do you see a direct comparison? Weaver was a quick agile blocker with good vision above the net. She was less strong in reading the set, but against Fawcett, that's less of a problem. 2. Foluke had a phenomenal 2007, but DSA's career NCAA hitting percentage is higher. DSA was also a very effective back row attacker in college. I agree Foluke may have higher limits physically (than DSA), but if I needed a middle to score a point, Danielle would be at the top of my list. 3. Cuba wasn't always a fast to the pins offense, but speed in an offense is not simply about speed of the set. A quicker or taller attacker can get to a ball more efficiently or faster than a smaller, less physical one (e.g. Japan.) 98 Long Beach was a pretty fast offense by any standard. The physical ability of current players is greater now across the board, no doubt. But that physicality hasn't quite reached such a level to justify a blanket statement that some players from the 90's couldn't compete with more current ones, particularly when one considers their performance at the next level.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 11:59:00 GMT -5
Washington As good as Thompson was, I think I’d probably run a 6-2, for blocking purposes. OH- Morrison and Benjamin MB- Gil (for her blocking) Sybeldon (for her offense) I could also be persuaded for Swarbrick S- Thompson and Hagglund OPP- Tomsevic and Vansant L- Miyashiro DS- Lee Serving Sub- Collymore Good list....I would add Darla Myhre for MB.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 12:16:19 GMT -5
1) Weaver was never as dominant as Fawcett, point in blank (also why are you comparing MBs to an OH?). 2) Foluke was in the top 3 in blocks in BOTH of the last 2 Olympics. Foluke is a very good blocker and very good at getting to the pins quickly, which many many many middles against top competition struggle with. PLUS (again) she hit higher than either Cheryl or DSA in a more competitive 2007. 3) Since when is Cuba known as having had a "fast" offense...? Japan was also never a "fast to the pins" offense - they were fast to the various players who may have been attacking from the middle area of the court. Again I think the game from 2005-2009 was more athletic, skilled and competitive than previous years, and it was arguably the best 4-5 years of NCAA volleyball ever in terms of individual athletes. 2. Foluke had a phenomenal 2007, but DSA's career NCAA hitting percentage is higher. This can't be true.
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Post by donut on Jan 10, 2018 12:20:42 GMT -5
2. Foluke had a phenomenal 2007, but DSA's career NCAA hitting percentage is higher. This can't be true. Yeah it's not. www.teamusa.org/usa-volleyball/athletes/Foluke-Akinradewo"[Foluke] finished collegiate career with the best career hitting efficiency (.446) of any NCAA Division I player."
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 10, 2018 12:31:09 GMT -5
2. Foluke had a phenomenal 2007, but DSA's career NCAA hitting percentage is higher. This can't be true. Actually, you're right. Good catch. I thought her career percentage was .452 but that was season high. Akinradewo .446. 1,682-300/3,101 Scott .421. 1,778-447/3,164 Chloe Mann now has the highest, Arielle Wilson 2nd, Foluke 3rd and Scott 8th all-time.
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Post by gopher68 on Jan 10, 2018 14:13:50 GMT -5
The outlaw Jessy Jones at middle. I didn't think she was underappreciated, but maybe. I always felt like Jessy never quite reached her potential here, which would be another list. A list I don't want to touch, although Tabby Love would be another one. And Dieter probably belongs there. Tabberson maybe? Guess I just touched it. Roehrig? Dunno. Vanderrodt, Hartmann, Schmidt -- that whole class. I don't think I would have Dieter on the list. She was doing great until she destroyed her ankle. I would not hold her injury against her. I think you could make a case to have Whitman on your list. She was the national Gatorade player of the year and never fulfilled that expectation.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 14:56:26 GMT -5
Never got the impression she quit because of her ankle. Is that true? I always wondered why no one did a follow-up interview with her. Perspective and all that. VolleyballMagHeck, you could do a series on all those "mysteries." If people were willing to open up. I have suggestions!
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Post by donut on Jan 10, 2018 17:49:58 GMT -5
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Post by gopher68 on Jan 10, 2018 22:51:32 GMT -5
Never got the impression she quit because of her ankle. Is that true? I always wondered why no one did a follow-up interview with her. Perspective and all that. VolleyballMagHeck, you could do a series on all those "mysteries." If people were willing to open up. I have suggestions! She may not have quit because of her injury. But, as bad as it was, I would guess it would cause a person to reassess their priorities.
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