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Post by redbeard2008 on Jan 9, 2018 15:45:46 GMT -5
I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the glowing endorsement by Kiraly. GM2 cronyism? I wouldn't be surprised if USC didn't consult with Kiraly and McLaughlin (who won a men's championship at USC). One, or both, might have said, hey, there's this guy up in Portland who's a lot better than the program he's coaching. Both Fisher and K. Cook are GM2. UW hired Cook entirely on McLaughlin's recommendation. What matters today is data-driven coaching using the latest technology, over traditional seat-of-the-pants "intuitional" coaching using loose-leaf binders.
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Post by dodger on Jan 9, 2018 15:57:44 GMT -5
I think you are greatly overestimating how connected USA Volleyball is with the average junior girls. Very few know who the national team coach is. Fewer could name more than one or two Olympians from Rio. Fewer still could name any significant accomplishment of the coach, team, or individual athletes. Boys grow up watching the NBA or the NFL, so it's relatively normal for a young boy to be able to name 5-10+ professional athletes in their sport. The same is not true for girls. Go to a club tourney and show an athlete a picture of Foluke Akinradewo, one of USAV's most marketed players, and see if they recognize her. You'd be surprised. You’re right that most girls don’t even know of Karch Kiraly. True story, when I told my players about Flo Hyman busting records in her day to inspire them, one of my players raised her hand and said her hymen was still intact and she was going to wait until marriage.
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Post by dodger on Jan 9, 2018 15:58:45 GMT -5
Moon ball so rude , and disgraceful should get you banned from board
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Post by bkedane on Jan 9, 2018 16:03:07 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if USC didn't consult with Kiraly and McLaughlin (who won a men's championship at USC). One, or both, might have said, hey, there's this guy up in Portland who's a lot better than the program he's coaching. Both Fisher and K. Cook are GM2. UW hired Cook entirely on McLaughlin's recommendation. What matters today is data-driven coaching using the latest technology, over traditional seat-of-the-pants "intuitional" coaching using loose-leaf binders. Do you think that non-GM2 coaches are not "data driven" and do not use the latest technology? Do you think that all GM2 coaches use the latest technology? (Hint: some can't afford it). What coaches do you know who are "intuitional" coaches?
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Post by dgo on Jan 9, 2018 16:03:36 GMT -5
I don't know if you were as good at masking "S" as you might have thought lol. Does her name rhyme with Soarin’ Martini? Actually, no. I toyed with saying "no comment" because I really try to avoid anything negative about players, but I figured that everyone would interpret a "no comment" to mean you are on the right track. Same thing if I didn't respond. So, for that one player, I'll clarify that it was not her. For any future guesses, I'll issue a preemptive, "No comment."
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jan 9, 2018 16:07:04 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if USC didn't consult with Kiraly and McLaughlin (who won a men's championship at USC). One, or both, might have said, hey, there's this guy up in Portland who's a lot better than the program he's coaching. Both Fisher and K. Cook are GM2. UW hired Cook entirely on McLaughlin's recommendation. What matters today is data-driven coaching using the latest technology, over traditional seat-of-the-pants "intuitional" coaching using loose-leaf binders. Do you think that non-GM2 coaches are not "data driven" and do not use the latest technology? Do you think that all GM2 coaches use the latest technology? (Hint: some can't afford it). What coaches do you know who are "intuitional" coaches? Come now, you know exactly who I'm talking about...
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Post by greenpier on Jan 9, 2018 16:14:06 GMT -5
[ While Mick might be smiling to himself that we hired a `nobody` in Brent Crouch, it also has to burn him to be replaced by this nobody. Mick is a mentor to Brent.
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Post by Mark Richards on Jan 9, 2018 16:42:47 GMT -5
moonball loves mick haley. Mick’s era of volleyball needed to come to an end. Way too many starters were transferring, switching exclusively to beach, or leaving the university. His termination will prove beneficial to the current team, the program, the university, and the sport itself. Mick will land on his feet and will be a announcer for the 2018 ESPN womens college volleyball telecasts.
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Post by bigfan on Jan 9, 2018 16:53:30 GMT -5
moonball loves mick haley. Mick’s era of volleyball needed to come to an end. Way too many starters were transferring, switching exclusively to beach, or leaving the university. His termination will prove beneficial to the current team, the program, the university, and the sport itself. I could see the Pac-12 network hiring Mick to do Volleyball telecasts, I think he would be great. He would be better than Al Scates and Karch and McPeak.
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Post by trojansc on Jan 9, 2018 17:24:10 GMT -5
moonball loves mick haley. Mick’s era of volleyball needed to come to an end. Way too many starters were transferring, switching exclusively to beach, or leaving the university. His termination will prove beneficial to the current team, the program, the university, and the sport itself. Please name the contributing STARTERS that left. We know Ebony had issues (homesick and injured while training with national team). Sary couldn't beat out Crone and was riding the bench. She did not impress in her appearances. Fonoimoana and Johnson couldn't make it academically despite Mick's exhaustion to help them stay eligible. Bria Russ was like a Urango fit at USC - it was better for her to go beach only. Russ was not beating out Bricio/Fuller/Shaw/Ruddins for a spot on the pins. Gillis was not starting as the season progressed for USC. How are those Mick's fault? BTW, your earlier comment about Mick not willing to change is laughable. He sped up his offense behind when Fuller graduated (Ebony did NOT hit moonballs). Then in Bricio's final year they really sped things up. Prior to that USC's personnel was more accustomed to moonballs. Little do you guys know how strategic Mick is. He made a lot of brilliant decisions and rarely ever got outcoached when it came to game plans. He changed his entire defensive formation against Stanford the MORNING of the Regional Final in 2010. That's not a man that lives and dies by one specific system. USC's defensive scheme was vastly different prior to Hagglund and post-Hagglund.
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Post by tomclen on Jan 9, 2018 17:30:12 GMT -5
Let's take John Cook and Russ Rose out of consideration for just a moment...they're in a special class.
Aside from those two, please come up with a list of coaches who have had a better track record the past 15 years than Haley.
How many on your list? 5? 2? 0?
I'm actually asking. I don't know the answer. Maybe I'm missing some obvious names.
But, it seems to me, whatever the reasons USC had for dumping Haley, his on-court track record certainly couldn't be one of them.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jan 9, 2018 17:54:51 GMT -5
BTW, your earlier comment about Mick not willing to change is laughable. He sped up his offense behind when Fuller graduated (Ebony did NOT hit moonballs). Then in Bricio's final year they really sped things up. Prior to that USC's personnel was more accustomed to moonballs. I think it is safe to say that Mick was a "late-convert" and resisted any change until he, belatedly, realized that his job was on the line. Only one head coach had more recruit-attrition (transfers, quits, flunk-outs) year-by-year than Mick. That points to program-management issues.
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Post by trojansc on Jan 9, 2018 18:11:13 GMT -5
BTW, your earlier comment about Mick not willing to change is laughable. He sped up his offense behind when Fuller graduated (Ebony did NOT hit moonballs). Then in Bricio's final year they really sped things up. Prior to that USC's personnel was more accustomed to moonballs. I think it is safe to say that Mick was a "late-convert" and resisted any change until he, belatedly, realized that his job was on the line. Only one head coach had more recruit-attrition (transfers, quits, flunk-outs) year-by-year than Mick. That points to program-management issues. Lol forgive me if I think you have no idea what went on in SC's strategy and system planning. Nor do I think you're qualified to analyze it... He ran Nwanebu quicker behind after being to the Final Four two of the 3 previous season. His job was NOT on the line then. He switched to a 6-2 with Nwanebu was hitting quick-sets (even the normal pace sets were not moonballs of the past) when the passing was there (behind and in front). He changed his offensive scheme because he finally had players that could run a faster ball. But he was able to diversify the offense, particularly with Hagglund and Shaw passing so well. Bricio ocasionally came in for two-balls, and Schraer on the slide was actually USC's favorite option to set on serve receive. Kaczor, Jupiter, Fonoimoana, and Fuller were NOT types of hitters that flourished in a fast-pace offense. The moonball was perfect for Kaczor and Jupiter, and that's why tney made three final fours. Bricio and (particularly) Abercrombie were better on faster sets and that led USC to go super quick in 2015.
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Post by southie on Jan 9, 2018 18:22:29 GMT -5
Moon ball so rude , and disgraceful should get you banned from board You are clueless. If bigfan, doubletrojan, and uscyaa haven't been banned yet, then no one should be. moonball is not even close to being in their league when it comes to being "rude and disgraceful".
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Post by greenpier on Jan 9, 2018 19:16:42 GMT -5
I think it is safe to say that Mick was a "late-convert" and resisted any change until he, belatedly, realized that his job was on the line. Only one head coach had more recruit-attrition (transfers, quits, flunk-outs) year-by-year than Mick. That points to program-management issues. Lol forgive me if I think you have no idea what went on in SC's strategy and system planning. Nor do I think you're qualified to analyze it... He ran Nwanebu quicker behind after being to the Final Four two of the 3 previous season. His job was NOT on the line then. He switched to a 6-2 with Nwanebu was hitting quick-sets (even the normal pace sets were not moonballs of the past) when the passing was there (behind and in front). He changed his offensive scheme because he finally had players that could run a faster ball. But he was able to diversify the offense, particularly with Hagglund and Shaw passing so well. Bricio ocasionally came in for two-balls, and Schraer on the slide was actually USC's favorite option to set on serve receive. Kaczor, Jupiter, Fonoimoana, and Fuller were NOT types of hitters that flourished in a fast-pace offense. The moonball was perfect for Kaczor and Jupiter, and that's why tney made three final fours. Bricio and (particularly) Abercrombie were better on faster sets and that led USC to go super quick in 2015. If this new coach can recruit USC will be fine. If not 4-5 years from now a new coach will be hired.
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