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Post by shotcaller on Feb 9, 2018 18:10:20 GMT -5
Do we have data to support the fact that an overwhelming number are committing 'early'? How do we define 'early'? My gut tells me that the minority who are getting recruited early and are committing early are gettign all the press and this is being blown out of proportion. Now, is it a reality that some 7th and 8th graders are getting offers and possibly pressures to commit early, yes. But that doesn't mean everyone is being handled this way.
I am sick of us making or adjusting rules or laws to fit the minority of the population and therefore punishing or restricting the majority, as this current proposal of no unofficial visits until their junior year would do. I think that would create a dynamic where prospects are making decisions under greater pressure due to the shorter time frame to make decisions.
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Post by shotcaller on Feb 9, 2018 18:16:22 GMT -5
What my husband and I know now that we didn't know then....had a daughter who committed to top Pac 12 program at end of freshman year/beginning of soph year, trusted the coach, and as one knows, when you verbally commit, you take your name off of the recruiting sites. Big club tourneys listed kids who had committed already, including our daughter. Then, fast forward over 2 years later, senior year, one month prior to signing, coach calls and says, changed my mind, and am going with your position the following year instead of our daughter that year. To say she was devastated was an understatement. How do you build confidence after that one? Then we said, now what, when all programs who offered her over 2 years ago now had those slots filled. All those programs did not need her position anymore. It was a nightmare. She did get picked up by another D1 program, but her confidence was never the same. My advice would be to not commit early and keep options open! You think you can trust the coach or that coaches would not do that but some of them do. We are living proof. I woud suggest, as unfortunate as your situation is, you are the exception to the rule. There is no doubt your situation has been painful, unfortunate and in many ways unneccessary, but it is unfair to lump all coaches into this same category. I know there is more than one example of this, so I am not saying you are the only ones...but how many athletes commit 'early' only to go on and have wonderful experiences at their school? We don't hear those stories, because that is a non-story. Again, I would like to see data on these issues, not just annecdotal evidence.
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Post by labtec1 on Feb 9, 2018 18:54:29 GMT -5
I am not lumping anyone into any category and not saying this is the norm or that things need to change. I just shared our experience because I wish we would have kept other options open or had a plan B. We thought we were safe thinking no top program would do that and they did. That’s all. It was a rough way to learn that verbal commitments mean nothing.
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Post by maɡˈnōlēə on Feb 9, 2018 20:06:13 GMT -5
What my husband and I know now that we didn't know then....had a daughter who committed to top Pac 12 program at end of freshman year/beginning of soph year, trusted the coach, and as one knows, when you verbally commit, you take your name off of the recruiting sites. Big club tourneys listed kids who had committed already, including our daughter. Then, fast forward over 2 years later, senior year, one month prior to signing, coach calls and says, changed my mind, and am going with your position the following year instead of our daughter that year. To say she was devastated was an understatement. How do you build confidence after that one? Then we said, now what, when all programs who offered her over 2 years ago now had those slots filled. All those programs did not need her position anymore. It was a nightmare. She did get picked up by another D1 program, but her confidence was never the same. My advice would be to not commit early and keep options open! You think you can trust the coach or that coaches would not do that but some of them do. We are living proof. WHOA! So much for all the posts stating that college vball coaches ethics are high in comparison to other sports.
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Post by gobruins on Feb 10, 2018 7:39:03 GMT -5
How does what should be just a rhetorical question get 5 pages of comments/opines? Why does the sun go on shining? Why does the sea rush to shore? Why do the birds go on singing? Why do the stars glow above? Why does my heart go on beating? Why do these eyes of mine cry? Don't you know? It's the end of the world. It ended when they started recruiting 7th graders.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Feb 10, 2018 15:51:58 GMT -5
It’s like the arms race. If you don’t keep up you get left behind. It’s incredibly tough on coaching staffs because now you have to recruit 5 classes I would love to see the (likely nonexistent) stats about how many "early stars" end up fizzling and not developing as players as initially anticipated. And if those stats existed and could be looked at would it make a difference in the way coaches seem to recruit?? Or is it because this game at that level is mostly height driven? IDK Is anyone tracking how many early commits don't end up at the school they committed to? How many transfer to a lesser program in their first two years? Granted that there can be reasons other than athletics for a de-commit or transfer - academics, for instance.
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Post by ay2013 on Feb 10, 2018 17:29:21 GMT -5
What my husband and I know now that we didn't know then....had a daughter who committed to top Pac 12 program at end of freshman year/beginning of soph year, trusted the coach, and as one knows, when you verbally commit, you take your name off of the recruiting sites. Big club tourneys listed kids who had committed already, including our daughter. Then, fast forward over 2 years later, senior year, one month prior to signing, coach calls and says, changed my mind, and am going with your position the following year instead of our daughter that year. To say she was devastated was an understatement. How do you build confidence after that one? Then we said, now what, when all programs who offered her over 2 years ago now had those slots filled. All those programs did not need her position anymore. It was a nightmare. She did get picked up by another D1 program, but her confidence was never the same. My advice would be to not commit early and keep options open! You think you can trust the coach or that coaches would not do that but some of them do. We are living proof. Well don’t leave us in suspense... call these programs out!
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Post by redcard on Feb 10, 2018 19:18:39 GMT -5
I think many coaches don’t like but suffer from FOMO syndrome.
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Post by redcard on Feb 11, 2018 12:20:56 GMT -5
I think many coaches don’t like but suffer from FOMO syndrome. Do coaches ever pretend interest to get other coaches to recruit a player that the aren't really interested in to generate FOMO, or is that too meta? oooh....I hope they are not that devious with their recruiting strategerie...
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Post by ironhammer on Feb 12, 2018 5:02:11 GMT -5
I think the only way there will be a change in early recruiting is if there is a real and meaningful downside for the coaches. As it currently stands, it seems to me that it is pretty much all upside. If an early commit develops as hoped, the coach has got a superstar. If she tops out sophomore year of high school, the coach can cut ties (either by rescinding the offer or by "encouraging" her to find a more appropriate program). In other words, the recruit is left to hang out and dry if the coach changes his mind. Downsides...how about imposing some cost and consequences for coaches that abandons a recruit that way? Of course, the coach can say that the recruit didn't turn out the way he or she wanted, but the flip side is that, then why recruit so early? Perhaps the coach should not be so free to abandon someone without some form of corresponding compensatory measure...or cost on the coach. That way, coaches will have to think twice and balance the pro and cons of early recruiting a little better...
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Post by labtec1 on Feb 12, 2018 9:26:05 GMT -5
I think the only way there will be a change in early recruiting is if there is a real and meaningful downside for the coaches. As it currently stands, it seems to me that it is pretty much all upside. If an early commit develops as hoped, the coach has got a superstar. If she tops out sophomore year of high school, the coach can cut ties (either by rescinding the offer or by "encouraging" her to find a more appropriate program). In other words, the recruit is left to hang out and dry if the coach changes his mind. Downsides...how about imposing some cost and consequences for coaches that abandons a recruit that way? Of course, the coach can say that the recruit didn't turn out the way he or she wanted, but the flip side is that, then why recruit so early? Perhaps the coach should not be so free to abandon someone without some form of corresponding compensatory measure...or cost on the coach. That way, coaches will have to think twice and balance the pro and cons of early recruiting a little better... I agree with ironhammer. In our case, our daughter had not "topped out" - the coach did not need a setter our daughter's year afterall and went with another setter the following year. He may have felt that girl was better at the time but either way, there was no protection for our kid who, one month prior to signing, got this news after 2.5 years of being committed. Try calling other schools who wanted you 2.5 years prior....all slots were filled and they were not going to renege on their kids, which is totally understandable. Just leaves the athlete screwed pretty much.
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Post by labtec1 on Feb 12, 2018 9:35:03 GMT -5
What my husband and I know now that we didn't know then....had a daughter who committed to top Pac 12 program at end of freshman year/beginning of soph year, trusted the coach, and as one knows, when you verbally commit, you take your name off of the recruiting sites. Big club tourneys listed kids who had committed already, including our daughter. Then, fast forward over 2 years later, senior year, one month prior to signing, coach calls and says, changed my mind, and am going with your position the following year instead of our daughter that year. To say she was devastated was an understatement. How do you build confidence after that one? Then we said, now what, when all programs who offered her over 2 years ago now had those slots filled. All those programs did not need her position anymore. It was a nightmare. She did get picked up by another D1 program, but her confidence was never the same. My advice would be to not commit early and keep options open! You think you can trust the coach or that coaches would not do that but some of them do. We are living proof. Well don’t leave us in suspense... call these programs out! Other people called this program out too apparently. It was Oregon.
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Post by mervinswerved on Feb 12, 2018 9:57:07 GMT -5
I think the only way there will be a change in early recruiting is if there is a real and meaningful downside for the coaches. As it currently stands, it seems to me that it is pretty much all upside. If an early commit develops as hoped, the coach has got a superstar. If she tops out sophomore year of high school, the coach can cut ties (either by rescinding the offer or by "encouraging" her to find a more appropriate program). In other words, the recruit is left to hang out and dry if the coach changes his mind. Downsides...how about imposing some cost and consequences for coaches that abandons a recruit that way? Of course, the coach can say that the recruit didn't turn out the way he or she wanted, but the flip side is that, then why recruit so early? Perhaps the coach should not be so free to abandon someone without some form of corresponding compensatory measure...or cost on the coach. That way, coaches will have to think twice and balance the pro and cons of early recruiting a little better... Are we also punishing kids for backing out of a commitment?
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Post by ironhammer on Feb 12, 2018 9:59:01 GMT -5
In other words, the recruit is left to hang out and dry if the coach changes his mind. Downsides...how about imposing some cost and consequences for coaches that abandons a recruit that way? Of course, the coach can say that the recruit didn't turn out the way he or she wanted, but the flip side is that, then why recruit so early? Perhaps the coach should not be so free to abandon someone without some form of corresponding compensatory measure...or cost on the coach. That way, coaches will have to think twice and balance the pro and cons of early recruiting a little better... Are we also punishing kids for backing out of a commitment? It takes two to tango...
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Post by mervinswerved on Feb 12, 2018 10:01:46 GMT -5
So what's the enforcement mechanism for breaking a commitment that the NCAA itself doesn't recognize?
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