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Post by ProfessorPlum on Feb 14, 2018 18:08:19 GMT -5
I thought Plum did give you some examples: Mn Select and A5 were resting players Top Select was missing 2017 Big10 FOY TAV was missing 3 girls and replaced them with 2 from Skyline Munci has 2 free agents including MVP of tourney ...there are many more but those are the ones I remember What did I miss?? And 3 of 4 of Plum's statements are lies. I'll give you one. Munciana's outside was in fact the MVP. SHE HAS PLAYED MULTIPLE YEARS for that club. You figure out the rest They are all accurate as regard to free agents. That was my point all along. My points were all to prove that you were just trolling Boh and that you are a fraud and a liar. Munci player was in fact AAU All Tournament and not MVP but Griere Hughes was still a free agent (lie 1 for you). Samedy from Top select had a great year at Minnesota but was not FOY (she should have been imho) but it does not matter, the point was she did not play AAU (you been proved wrong again). I could go on but it’s not worth my time. You are a troll and have switched your arguement multiple times after attacking BOH and me with nonsense. And as Boh said “ you are making a fool out of yourself”. But you knew that, because that’s what trolls do! Go back to page 4 if you want to see where Boh and I gave you proof of free agents. You also called him a liar and talking out his ass that he said AAU uses “free agents”. That’s when we both outed you and you switched your story. And now you say you never said that...page 4 says you are A LIAR!!!! You are a sad representative of AAU. You, RB & Dodd make a good group!
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Post by moody on Feb 14, 2018 21:43:29 GMT -5
And 3 of 4 of Plum's statements are lies. I'll give you one. Munciana's outside was in fact the MVP. SHE HAS PLAYED MULTIPLE YEARS for that club. You figure out the rest They are all accurate as regard to free agents. That was my point all along. My points were all to prove that you were just trolling Boh and that you are a fraud and a liar. Munci player was in fact AAU All Tournament and not MVP but Griere Hughes was still a free agent (lie 1 for you). Samedy from Top select had a great year at Minnesota but was not FOY (she should have been imho) but it does not matter, the point was she did not play AAU (you been proved wrong again). I could go on but it’s not worth my time. You are a troll and have switched your arguement multiple times after attacking BOH and me with nonsense. And as Boh said “ you are making a fool out of yourself”. But you knew that, because that’s what trolls do! Go back to page 4 if you want to see where Boh and I gave you proof of free agents. You also called him a liar and talking out his ass that he said AAU uses “free agents”. That’s when we both outed you and you switched your story. And now you say you never said that...page 4 says you are A LIAR!!!! You are a sad representative of AAU. You, RB & Dodd make a good group! you are the biggest idiot I have ever had the pleasure to chat with. I never said Samedy did or didn't play. I also never implied she didn't play because she was resting. I never said free agents were illegal. I did point out your examples were bullshi%t. And they were. Perhaps if you weren't just about having a pi$$ing contest with everyone it would be easier for you to tell the truth. SO please go f&ck yourself really hard you sorry excuse for a human being.
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Post by moody on Feb 14, 2018 21:47:51 GMT -5
NO. My beef is this is a National Championship tournament with many quality teams ALL competing hard to win. I don't like people belittling it and the participants by somehow saying teams or players are dogging it then using lies to try and defend that point Moody, I got no problem you calling it whatever you'd like. It's an end of the year event that allows any team who would like to play the opportunity; and the winner gets a nice shiny trophy that says "National Champion" on it. As I've said, my issue...at least with 18's...is the process. Maybe AAU doesn't have a choice based on the timing of things. If they moved the tournament to prior to USAV maybe that would make a difference and kids wouldn't bail. This is one reason I like the shortened 18's season in USAV. This allows the kids playing at the next level to finish what they started, keep their commitment to their teammates and then get the rest they need to heal their bodies or train on their own for a couple months. These kids don't know what the "volleyball grind" truly is until they show up to college. I feel that allowing teams to make changes to a roster different to what you have been playing with all year delegitimizes the results. If we take the NFL for instance and the Patriots decide they could really use another wide receiver...hey, Antonio Brown is available since the Steelers are out. Let's pick him up and throw him on the roster. If that happened, maybe the Patriots win? Is that an ok thing?? You have 53 guys that work as a team all year and then at the very end you try to grab people to bolster your roster for the sake of winning a title. It just doesn't sit well with me. Dance with the people who brought you there. I can understand that you don't like roster changes. The real issue is college coaches are now requiring players to report to campus in early summer so these kids get NO time off. Shortening JO seasons also has its problems. The qualifiers are so early that I think some teams aren't ready to compete then and they don't get a chance to qualify. As for the AAU's I don't understand why they at least don't have the 18's at the beginning of the event and not the end
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Post by dman on Feb 14, 2018 22:22:41 GMT -5
Moody, I got no problem you calling it whatever you'd like. It's an end of the year event that allows any team who would like to play the opportunity; and the winner gets a nice shiny trophy that says "National Champion" on it. As I've said, my issue...at least with 18's...is the process. Maybe AAU doesn't have a choice based on the timing of things. If they moved the tournament to prior to USAV maybe that would make a difference and kids wouldn't bail. This is one reason I like the shortened 18's season in USAV. This allows the kids playing at the next level to finish what they started, keep their commitment to their teammates and then get the rest they need to heal their bodies or train on their own for a couple months. These kids don't know what the "volleyball grind" truly is until they show up to college. I feel that allowing teams to make changes to a roster different to what you have been playing with all year delegitimizes the results. If we take the NFL for instance and the Patriots decide they could really use another wide receiver...hey, Antonio Brown is available since the Steelers are out. Let's pick him up and throw him on the roster. If that happened, maybe the Patriots win? Is that an ok thing?? You have 53 guys that work as a team all year and then at the very end you try to grab people to bolster your roster for the sake of winning a title. It just doesn't sit well with me. Dance with the people who brought you there. I can understand that you don't like roster changes. The real issue is college coaches are now requiring players to report to campus in early summer so these kids get NO time off. Shortening JO seasons also has its problems. The qualifiers are so early that I think some teams aren't ready to compete then and they don't get a chance to qualify. As for the AAU's I don't understand why they at least don't have the 18's at the beginning of the event and not the end Speaking from my experience, I liked the shortened season because my daughter was allowed a break to rest. I did not see your fear of being unprepared with a shortened season. Things fell about where most teams were predicted to finish with a few exceptions. As far as college coaches wanting the kids early, I felt it definitely had some advantages. First, for those fortunate enough the scholarship year now begins in the summer. It allowed my daughter to get a feel of managing her classes with conditioning and open gyms. It helped her prepare for the culture shock of the fall; and it is a culture shock! If she took the summer off and started in August she would not have been near as prepared. An 18 year old learning to manage a Top 40 D1 schedule, keeping on top of grades with all the travel and missed classes and managing your health and body is a huge challenge!
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Post by moody on Feb 15, 2018 10:31:25 GMT -5
Munci player was in fact AAU All Tournament and not MVP but Griere Hughes was still a free agent (lie 1 for you). That’s not true. are you saying Plum lied again???
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Post by Hawk Attack on Feb 15, 2018 10:37:43 GMT -5
are you saying Plum lied again??? Shocking... I know. For real though I was interested in the actual topic of this thread, super disappointed to see what it turned into.
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Post by moody on Feb 15, 2018 10:46:10 GMT -5
are you saying Plum lied again??? Shocking... I know. For real though I was interested in the actual topic of this thread, super disappointed to see what it turned into. ya, my bad, sorry
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Post by n00b on Feb 15, 2018 12:39:13 GMT -5
For the record, USAV is only slightly more strict than AAU in allowing "free agents".
If a Chicago-area team qualified open and wanted to add a player from Munciana or SPVB, they 100% would be allowed. Those clubs might not let the player go, but USAV would allow it.
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Post by ProfessorPlum on Feb 15, 2018 13:10:01 GMT -5
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Post by ProfessorPlum on Feb 15, 2018 13:10:49 GMT -5
are you saying Plum lied again??? Whatever you say Mr Dodd!
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Post by eazy on Feb 15, 2018 13:31:29 GMT -5
I can understand that you don't like roster changes. The real issue is college coaches are now requiring players to report to campus in early summer so these kids get NO time off. Shortening JO seasons also has its problems. The qualifiers are so early that I think some teams aren't ready to compete then and they don't get a chance to qualify. As for the AAU's I don't understand why they at least don't have the 18's at the beginning of the event and not the end Speaking from my experience, I liked the shortened season because my daughter was allowed a break to rest. I did not see your fear of being unprepared with a shortened season. Things fell about where most teams were predicted to finish with a few exceptions. As far as college coaches wanting the kids early, I felt it definitely had some advantages. First, for those fortunate enough the scholarship year now begins in the summer. It allowed my daughter to get a feel of managing her classes with conditioning and open gyms. It helped her prepare for the culture shock of the fall; and it is a culture shock! If she took the summer off and started in August she would not have been near as prepared. An 18 year old learning to manage a Top 40 D1 schedule, keeping on top of grades with all the travel and missed classes and managing your health and body is a huge challenge! We’ve had a bunch of players either graduate early or start over the summer (summer classes were forced on some players) and the reviews were mixed. Some were upset about missing out on the last month or so with teammates that they had played with for the last 4-5 years, some were excited to start the next step in their journey. I think it is different for everyone. As far as being prepared to manage the schedule, we have never had a player express that they did not feel prepared. Starting as a 15 year old with Practice 3 nights a week and tournaments most weekends for 7 months a year, Advanced classes, outside extra weight lifting, plus attempts at a social life pretty well prepare them. It also helps to have experienced coaches that understand how to keep kids healthy before college. Sure, one option is to be done with volleyball early and take a few months off. The kids who are serious enough to be playing at the next level will still be working out on their own. Or continue playing with your team and reduce jumping and other high impact activities. Getting serve/pass reps or setting or digging reps will keep them sharp and active without the overuse injuries.
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Post by moody on Feb 15, 2018 13:50:47 GMT -5
For the record, USAV is only slightly more strict than AAU in allowing "free agents". If a Chicago-area team qualified open and wanted to add a player from Munciana or SPVB, they 100% would be allowed. Those clubs might not let the player go, but USAV would allow it. I believe the roster is set for USJO when the team qualifies and accepts the bid
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Post by dman on Feb 15, 2018 14:17:34 GMT -5
Speaking from my experience, I liked the shortened season because my daughter was allowed a break to rest. I did not see your fear of being unprepared with a shortened season. Things fell about where most teams were predicted to finish with a few exceptions. As far as college coaches wanting the kids early, I felt it definitely had some advantages. First, for those fortunate enough the scholarship year now begins in the summer. It allowed my daughter to get a feel of managing her classes with conditioning and open gyms. It helped her prepare for the culture shock of the fall; and it is a culture shock! If she took the summer off and started in August she would not have been near as prepared. An 18 year old learning to manage a Top 40 D1 schedule, keeping on top of grades with all the travel and missed classes and managing your health and body is a huge challenge! We’ve had a bunch of players either graduate early or start over the summer (summer classes were forced on some players) and the reviews were mixed. Some were upset about missing out on the last month or so with teammates that they had played with for the last 4-5 years, some were excited to start the next step in their journey. I think it is different for everyone. As far as being prepared to manage the schedule, we have never had a player express that they did not feel prepared. Starting as a 15 year old with Practice 3 nights a week and tournaments most weekends for 7 months a year, Advanced classes, outside extra weight lifting, plus attempts at a social life pretty well prepare them. It also helps to have experienced coaches that understand how to keep kids healthy before college. Sure, one option is to be done with volleyball early and take a few months off. The kids who are serious enough to be playing at the next level will still be working out on their own. Or continue playing with your team and reduce jumping and other high impact activities. Getting serve/pass reps or setting or digging reps will keep them sharp and active without the overuse injuries. I think it's a good idea to finish 18's early. it solves a lot of the problems you mentioned. It's tough when you are committing to your current team and then because of demands of the college coach you are forced to break that team commitment; affecting the one tournament they practice/play all year to work toward. Play a compacted schedule Jan-April and be done. This will also allow for most kids to celebrate their Senior activities like prom and be a high school student too. Those are memories you just can't replace. As far as being truly prepared for the grind of the student-athlete, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Again, I can only speak from my daughters experience and feedback from her former and current teammates. Club practice/conditioning/weekend tournaments/high school academics really doesn't compare to the rigors of your first semester of college ball and academics. Her current college coach tells all freshman parents to be prepared for a phone call of a tired, frantic, frustrated kid come October and talk her down from the ledge....and it happened like clockwork. This was a similar experience to many of her peers/parents as well. Not trying to discount what you are saying; it's just not as easy as you make it come across.
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Post by dman on Feb 15, 2018 14:19:43 GMT -5
I believe the roster is set for USJO when the team qualifies and accepts the bid You can add players that have not already qualified on another team (regardless of club). To do this don't you have to get an official release from your current team as well as approval from the Region?
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Post by moody on Feb 15, 2018 14:25:09 GMT -5
We’ve had a bunch of players either graduate early or start over the summer (summer classes were forced on some players) and the reviews were mixed. Some were upset about missing out on the last month or so with teammates that they had played with for the last 4-5 years, some were excited to start the next step in their journey. I think it is different for everyone. As far as being prepared to manage the schedule, we have never had a player express that they did not feel prepared. Starting as a 15 year old with Practice 3 nights a week and tournaments most weekends for 7 months a year, Advanced classes, outside extra weight lifting, plus attempts at a social life pretty well prepare them. It also helps to have experienced coaches that understand how to keep kids healthy before college. Sure, one option is to be done with volleyball early and take a few months off. The kids who are serious enough to be playing at the next level will still be working out on their own. Or continue playing with your team and reduce jumping and other high impact activities. Getting serve/pass reps or setting or digging reps will keep them sharp and active without the overuse injuries. I think it's a good idea to finish 18's early. it solves a lot of the problems you mentioned. It's tough when you are committing to your current team and then because of demands of the college coach you are forced to break that team commitment; affecting the one tournament they practice/play all year to work toward. Play a compacted schedule Jan-April and be done. This will also allow for most kids to celebrate their Senior activities like prom and be a high school student too. Those are memories you just can't replace. As far as being truly prepared for the grind of the student-athlete, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Again, I can only speak from my daughters experience and feedback from her former and current teammates. Club practice/conditioning/weekend tournaments/high school academics really doesn't compare to the rigors of your first semester of college ball and academics. Her current college coach tells all freshman parents to be prepared for a phone call of a tired, frantic, frustrated kid come October and talk her down from the ledge....and it happened like clockwork. This was a similar experience to many of her peers/parents as well. Not trying to discount what you are saying; it's just not as easy as you make it come across. College coaches cannot really demand anything until the fall of their Freshman year
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