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Post by SportyBucky on Jul 20, 2018 14:01:31 GMT -5
Wrong. She has the potential to hit over most players, but she cannot hit over all players and certainly doesn't do so at the higher levels. There are most certainly blockers for China, USA, Brazil and Serbia that can block her. None of those players play in Japan and if there's one, that's it. She hasn't played as big against better blocking and defensive teams. See NE championship match as the most recent example. And honestly, you can say with a straight face, that FL didn't try and work on the slide with Rhamat? You don't think she spent offseasons working on that and her approach in middle? She's not going to ever see the attention and fundamental training in the pros that she had in college. They just don't have the time. But nice try... We come full circle. You have no idea what you're talking about. The only pro league where she will see that kind of attention is in the Japanese V League. It's obvious you've never seen a japanese pro team practice and have no idea what the training is like. The idea that you think any setter at Florida remotely compares to what she'll see on her team in Japan is pretty funny. I don't know where I ever said setters were close to equivalent, but keep putting words in my mouth to make an argument. And I have never seen the Japan V league or any pro league practice. Not many here have, and that likely includes you. I don't have to see the league to know individual attention at any pro level is hard to come by.
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Post by volleyguy on Jul 20, 2018 14:07:06 GMT -5
We come full circle. You have no idea what you're talking about. The only pro league where she will see that kind of attention is in the Japanese V League. It's obvious you've never seen a japanese pro team practice and have no idea what the training is like. The idea that you think any setter at Florida remotely compares to what she'll see on her team in Japan is pretty funny. I don't know where I ever said setters were close to equivalent, but keep putting words in my mouth to make an argument. And I have never seen the Japan V league or any pro league practice. Not many here have, and that likely includes you. I don't have to see the league to know individual attention at any pro level is hard to come by. You suggested that Florida must have worked with Alhassan to improve her slide attack. I'm trying to think of how to run a slide without a setter, but it escapes me.
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Post by SportyBucky on Jul 20, 2018 14:11:52 GMT -5
I don't know where I ever said setters were close to equivalent, but keep putting words in my mouth to make an argument. And I have never seen the Japan V league or any pro league practice. Not many here have, and that likely includes you. I don't have to see the league to know individual attention at any pro level is hard to come by. You suggested that Florida must have worked with Alhassan to improve her slide attack. I'm trying to think of how to run a slide without a setter, but it escapes me. Having a setter and having a setter the quality of a professional team are two different things. I really and truly appreciate your prickliness, or more accurately, your prickyness.
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Post by volleyguy on Jul 20, 2018 14:30:27 GMT -5
You suggested that Florida must have worked with Alhassan to improve her slide attack. I'm trying to think of how to run a slide without a setter, but it escapes me. Having a setter and having a setter the quality of a professional team are two different things. I really and truly appreciate your prickliness, or more accurately, your prickyness. Frankly, it's been hard to keep track of your argument. At first it was that she would get no development in Japan, and that what she really needed was to be challenged, and then at one point it was that essentially she got everything she needed at Florida. Alhassan has Akinradewo-like physical talent. I hope she fully develops her potential.
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Post by SportyBucky on Jul 20, 2018 14:39:20 GMT -5
Having a setter and having a setter the quality of a professional team are two different things. I really and truly appreciate your prickliness, or more accurately, your prickyness. Frankly, it's been hard to keep track of your argument. At first it was that she would get no development in Japan, and that what she really needed was to be challenged, and then at one point it was that essentially she got everything she needed at Florida. Alhassan has Akinradewo-like physical talent. I hope she fully develops her potential. I'll put it in bullet points for you, Einstein. - Japan VB - not good. Won't push her. She hits over every at will and does not develop necessary vision. - She absolutely, without a doubt, was coached to hit a slide at Florida. She clearly did not develop enough despite practices, summer coaching (I know, not NCAA allowed, but it happens), games, etc...She will not get that attention at ANY pro team. Thus, why not have her play at a level that elevates the rest of her game rather than have her coast only to be surprised when every blocker isn't 6' or under. Slide is only part of her necessary development, albeit critical if she ever wants to play with US at highest level. - She is talented enough to play higher quality league. When in doubt, push them up. Capisce?
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Post by Disc808 on Jul 20, 2018 14:52:12 GMT -5
I didn’t watch Florida closely, but against Stanford in the FF, they were setting Alhassan on the slide a few times. So yeah seeing as she didn’t have that skill before, they did work on it enough to have her run it in games
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Post by donut on Jul 20, 2018 15:16:54 GMT -5
I think you both have good points.
1. Mary Wise is a great coach and has done good things for NCAA volleyball, but training on fundamentals has never been her strong suit. Alhassan (and many other Florida players for that matter) did not substantially improve over the course of her college career. By her senior year, she still looked a bit awkward, especially on the slide (when they ran it which was seldom), and lacked finesse. Her athleticism got her miles but she will need to refine her technical skills at this next level. I think the V-league is a good league for that, especially because they play so quick, their teams focus so much on technique because they will never athletically overpower a team, and she will HAVE to become more precise to keep up with the game.
2. That being said, the V-league has always (or at least in recent memory) deployed a one-super-tall-and-athletic-player strategy. She will hit super high numbers. She will get set A LOT. I don't think either of those are necessarily bad, but we've seen players have monstrous success in Asian leagues in the past and then get brought back down back to Earth when they play more physical teams. She will obviously have to adjust between club season and NT season (assuming she gets called up, which I really hope she does).
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Post by volleyguy on Jul 20, 2018 15:49:14 GMT -5
Frankly, it's been hard to keep track of your argument. At first it was that she would get no development in Japan, and that what she really needed was to be challenged, and then at one point it was that essentially she got everything she needed at Florida. Alhassan has Akinradewo-like physical talent. I hope she fully develops her potential. I'll put it in bullet points for you, Einstein. - Japan VB - not good. Won't push her. She hits over every at will and does not develop necessary vision. - She absolutely, without a doubt, was coached to hit a slide at Florida. She clearly did not develop enough despite practices, summer coaching (I know, not NCAA allowed, but it happens), games, etc...She will not get that attention at ANY pro team. Thus, why not have her play at a level that elevates the rest of her game rather than have her coast only to be surprised when every blocker isn't 6' or under. Slide is only part of her necessary development, albeit critical if she ever wants to play with US at highest level. - She is talented enough to play higher quality league. When in doubt, push them up. Capisce? I have lived many season in a number of countries with pro leagues, including Japan. Most japanese teams still do double days throughout the season--that means two practices a day morning and afternoon capisce? Like many things in japan, volleyball practices tend to be fairly homogeneous. You can get a little sample in these videos with Toshi Yoshida, former US NT head coach (and coach of the NEC team as well): See how that works when you post about things you know?
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Post by SportyBucky on Jul 20, 2018 15:51:54 GMT -5
I'll put it in bullet points for you, Einstein. - Japan VB - not good. Won't push her. She hits over every at will and does not develop necessary vision. - She absolutely, without a doubt, was coached to hit a slide at Florida. She clearly did not develop enough despite practices, summer coaching (I know, not NCAA allowed, but it happens), games, etc...She will not get that attention at ANY pro team. Thus, why not have her play at a level that elevates the rest of her game rather than have her coast only to be surprised when every blocker isn't 6' or under. Slide is only part of her necessary development, albeit critical if she ever wants to play with US at highest level. - She is talented enough to play higher quality league. When in doubt, push them up. Capisce? I have lived many season in a number of countries with pro leagues, including Japan. Most japanese teams still do double days throughout the season--that means two practices a day morning and afternoon capisce? Like many things in japan, volleyball practices tend to be fairly homogeneous. You can get a little sample in these videos with Toshi Yoshida, former US NT head coach (and coach of the NEC team as well): See how that works when you post about things you know? Oh sweetie. Darlin. I've been coached by players from Chinese national team, top club systems and know players who play, have played abroad. I got you. We disagree but it doesn't mean I'm wrong or that I have no knowledge. Takes more than being able to pull up a YouTube video to convince me Japan will do more than set high balls and play defense. Now, go enjoy your afternoon.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 15:53:59 GMT -5
Girls, girls, girls (Esp. yucky, sporty types!)
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Post by Upfrontvb on Jul 20, 2018 16:39:21 GMT -5
Gosh Sportybucky, with all that coaching you must be like a superstar volleyball player and know your stuff. But you still talk %*$# out of your butt.
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Post by donut on Jul 20, 2018 16:58:04 GMT -5
Gosh Sportybucky, with all that coaching you must be like a superstar volleyball player and know your stuff. But you still talk %*$# out of your butt. ew
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Post by trying2learn on Jul 20, 2018 18:59:35 GMT -5
Which team will she be playing for? They forgot to include that. Renata Valinhos, it was relegated last year and will play in Superliga's second division
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Post by trying2learn on Jul 20, 2018 19:02:43 GMT -5
Which countries are the strongest leagues? 1. Turkey (though only the top 4 teams are battling it out for years) 2. Italy (more balanced competition amongst the teams) 3. Brazil (shorter girls but can slug it out) 4. Russia (used to be the best in Europe but financial constraints happened. Traveling from one city to another can be grueling.) 4. China (getting better every year. They might actually surpassed Russia by now) 5. Japan (the fast game can give some superstars a hard time to adjust) 5. Poland (tied with Japan, some young greats start in this arena) 6. Switzerland/Germany (jumping point of young pros) 7. Korea (heavily rely on foreigners but can train them physically and mentally to carry a team) 8. Puerto Rico (newly grad Players usually take this routecto get a look from better clubs) Others: France, Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines, Finland, Bulgaria, Serbia, Peru, Greece, Romania. I really like this list, although I would put France a little bit higher, and maybe add German somewhere in there as well. Philippines is volleyball crazy, so we might see some growth in there in the next few years. Romanian teams are also investing a lot of money in their teams. Sadly, news from Asian leagues are a little bit tougher to come by, as they don't really use western social media platforms that much and google translate just doesnt work very well in their websites
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Post by trying2learn on Jul 20, 2018 19:07:31 GMT -5
Is Azerbaijan's league still relevant anymore? The Azeri league had amazing teams a few years ago... those Rabita Baku teams were STACKED.... however it's mostly gone now... I remember some unsettling news from there, such as team representatives' holding on to players' passports and such... As a volleyball husband, I would definitely suggest my wife to always think twice about signing in most Asian countries
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