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Post by Fanbase on Nov 16, 2018 20:27:18 GMT -5
International players enhance any program, with not only their VB skills but also cultural diversity. For many programs they become fan favorites. A quick glance at a few of the top programs shows that several of the top programs ( Ucla, USC, Stanford, UCI, Penn State, Hawaii, Long Beach, BYU) all have international players on their rosters. BYU, Hawaii, Long Beach State, each have 4 players. The rest of their rosters are comprised of American players. Hawaii, like the other programs, gets it's share of top American players.
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Post by ucsdfan on Nov 16, 2018 23:53:09 GMT -5
International players enhance any program, with not only their VB skills but also cultural diversity. For many programs they become fan favorites. A quick glance at a few of the top programs shows that several of the top programs ( Ucla, USC, Stanford, UCI, Penn State, Hawaii, Long Beach, BYU) all have international players on their rosters. BYU, Hawaii, Long Beach State, each have 4 players. The rest of their rosters are comprised of American players. Hawaii, like the other programs, gets it's share of top American players. The usual suspects when it comes to loading up rosters with foreign players can be found in the Conference Carolinas. Beyond them, NJIT, Hawai'i, BYU, and GCU are the teams that usually have at least four foreign players on their rosters. Here is a semi-complete list of teams you listed as well as other teams that have at least three foreign players. The incompleteness is because it was tiring to list all of the CC teams with more than three foreign players. It's not quite as you presented in terms of Long Beach, but Hawai'i and BYU definitely look overseas. Mt Olive has ELEVEN foreign players (too many to list) Barton has seven foreign players (too lazy to list) Charleston has seven foreign players (Aarflot from Norway, Krumerac from Norway, Roberts from Trinidad, Bartells from Netherlands, Senica from Australia, Stuart from Bahamas, and Bray from Australia) NJIT has five to six foreign players (Whitaker from Brazil, Gimeno from Spain, Berger from Brazil, Garcia from Spain, Feldhus from Denmark, and Nido from the US territory of Puerto Rico) Hawai'i has four foreign players (Tilburg from Netherlands, Parapunov from Bulgaria, Thelle from Norway, and Humler from the Czech Republic) BYU has three to four foreign players (Gardini from Italy, Ferreire from Brazil, Jauhiainen from Finland, and Fernandez from the US terrioty of Puerto Rico) Grand Canyon has three foreign players (Cukur from Turkey, Fischer from Belgum, and Simelev from Russia) CSUN has three foreign players (Ka;chev from Bulgaria, Ptaszynski from Poland, and Tomsia from Poland) Fort Wayne has two to three foreign players (Gago from Chile, Santos from Portugal, and Vargas from the US territory of Puerto Rico) USC has two foreign players (Grasso from Brazil andCaracher from Australia) Long Beach has two foreign players (Andersen from Denmark and Poole from England) Princeton has two foreign players (Fernandez from Mexico and Orlson from Haiti) UCI has two foreign players (Koubi from France and Nsakanda from Canada) Penn State has two foreign players (Marsh from England and Lauten from Norway) UCLA has one foreign player (Gylmah from Canada) Stanford has one foreign player (Lui from Canada)
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Post by ocmyhome on Nov 17, 2018 2:20:22 GMT -5
A couple selling selling points that BYU has that probably helps lure foreigners (good ones) there:
1) cheap education (relative to other "big time" schools). 2) ability to watch your home matches from anywhere in the world (byutv). Imagine being a recruit and Olmstead tells your parents in Italy, "you'll be able to watch every single home match in HD, on-demand, for free!"
If BYU doesn't have these aspects, they probably miss out on many foreigners...
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Post by soljah808 on Nov 17, 2018 15:22:28 GMT -5
Just an observation, the European/Scandinavian players that have played or are currently playing in the MPSF/Big West are usually pin hitters, occasionally middles. All have cannons for arms, decent blocking, and they can rip their serves. Where they seem to struggle is in their passing and defensive skills. As many posters here have mentioned, we seem to struggle getting our fair share of the elite US players. So most of our focus these days is on signing talented imports from overseas, hence our coaching priority should be in ramping them up on their passing and defensive skills when they arrive. Teams that are comprised mostly of High School All Americans (i.e. UCLA, LBSU, UCI) appear to be more balanced offensively and defensively. Their pins generally don't struggle as much with their passing and digging. In our situation, it makes it even more imperative to recruit a highly skilled Libero. Any comments? UH probably has a tough time recruiting American players due to the fact that a UH diploma is not as meaningful as a UCLA or UCI degree. Not as meaningful as a UCI degree? Lol UH holds more than it's own on many fronts. Its many reasons American players don't come to Hawaii and I say it for all sports. But those that do come to Hawaii via mainland or international ends up staying in Hawaii and call it home. Living on an island isnt everyone's cup of tea.
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Post by ucsdfan on Nov 17, 2018 17:46:38 GMT -5
A couple selling selling points that BYU has that probably helps lure foreigners (good ones) there: 1) cheap education (relative to other "big time" schools). 2) ability to watch your home matches from anywhere in the world (byutv). Imagine being a recruit and Olmstead tells your parents in Italy, "you'll be able to watch every single home match in HD, on-demand, for free!" If BYU doesn't have these aspects, they probably miss out on many foreigners... The fact that BYU students, and the community, are multilingual and culturally aware probably adds a great deal to the package. The cold winters probably don't help the sell as well though.
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Post by ucsdfan on Nov 17, 2018 17:49:45 GMT -5
UH probably has a tough time recruiting American players due to the fact that a UH diploma is not as meaningful as a UCLA or UCI degree. Not as meaningful as a UCI degree? Lol UH holds more than it's own on many fronts. Its many reasons American players don't come to Hawaii and I say it for all sports. But those that do come to Hawaii via mainland or international ends up staying in Hawaii and call it home. Living on an island isnt everyone's cup of tea. Now you're just being silly. A UC degree from anywhere but maybe Merced outweighs a UH degree in pretty much every field. Just look at the average admissions numbers for a UC school versus UH or look at any reliable college rankings journal such as US Newws and World Report. UH is many wonderful things, but academic powerhouse is not one of them.
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Post by koavball on Nov 18, 2018 7:12:51 GMT -5
Finally, official UH will have Dimi Mouchlias a 6’7 pinhitter from Greece next year. Excited about him! The second coming of Costas? Costas arrived at UH at 20 years old and physically matured. Dimi is just 17 years old right now , and has to get physically stronger. Dimi is more dynamic athletically than Costas. The potential is definitely there for him to do great things at UH.
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Post by soljah808 on Nov 18, 2018 13:22:55 GMT -5
Not as meaningful as a UCI degree? Lol UH holds more than it's own on many fronts. Its many reasons American players don't come to Hawaii and I say it for all sports. But those that do come to Hawaii via mainland or international ends up staying in Hawaii and call it home. Living on an island isnt everyone's cup of tea. Now you're just being silly. A UC degree from anywhere but maybe Merced outweighs a UH degree in pretty much every field. Just look at the average admissions numbers for a UC school versus UH or look at any reliable college rankings journal such as US Newws and World Report. UH is many wonderful things, but academic powerhouse is not one of them. Is it the reason mainland kids that play sports don't come UH vs. UCI? Bulls**t. I'm telling you right now, I have never heard of one person decline UH for a UCI because of academics that wanted to play a sport. I've heard many decline UH for the Stanfords, UCLA's, and USC's of the world but not UCI. And that's not a hit on UCI, its just more than the academic reason Mainland kids choose not to play for the Bows. UH more than holds its own in academics and I continue to stand by that.
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Post by ucsdfan on Nov 18, 2018 15:03:28 GMT -5
Now you're just being silly. A UC degree from anywhere but maybe Merced outweighs a UH degree in pretty much every field. Just look at the average admissions numbers for a UC school versus UH or look at any reliable college rankings journal such as US Newws and World Report. UH is many wonderful things, but academic powerhouse is not one of them. Is it the reason mainland kids that play sports don't come UH vs. UCI? Bulls**t. I'm telling you right now, I have never heard of one person decline UH for a UCI because of academics that wanted to play a sport. I've heard many decline UH for the Stanfords, UCLA's, and USC's of the world but not UCI. And that's not a hit on UCI, its just more than the academic reason Mainland kids choose not to play for the Bows. UH more than holds its own in academics and I continue to stand by that. I highly doubt you have talked to any mainland kids who chose UCI that had considered Hawai'i, so your point is empty. The bottomline is this. UH did not rank in the top 300 undergrate institutions in the Niche report or USNWR report for Computer Science, Engineering, Biology, Chemistry, Physics, Ecomics, Mathematics, Literature, Sociology, Business/Management, or Communications. I stopped searching at that point. UCI was top 40 in three, top 100 in seven, and top 300 in ten of those eleen categories. The harsh reality that you likely will continue to ignore is that UH is known for it's easy academics and lack of academic rigor. In my field of work, I deal with aspiring top 5% undergraduates from throughout the nation. In 27 years doing this, a UH student athlete has never come across my desk. It's just the numerical reality. Now how many of the student athletes we are talking about are destined for top tier graduate or professional schools is not necessarily a large number, but for the ones that are seeking advanced education it does not seem that UH is a desitantion while UCI is. I can personally say that I have had many student atheletes from UCI (mostly tennis players.) In terms of mens volleyball, I have worked with players from UCSD, UCLA, UCI, Stanford, LMU (when they had a program), USC, Penn State, Harvard, Princeton, Ohio State, Loyola, Pacific, CBU, and Pepperdine at some point over 27 years.
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Post by babybacksets on Nov 18, 2018 15:06:26 GMT -5
Not as meaningful as a UCI degree? Lol UH holds more than it's own on many fronts. Its many reasons American players don't come to Hawaii and I say it for all sports. But those that do come to Hawaii via mainland or international ends up staying in Hawaii and call it home. Living on an island isnt everyone's cup of tea. Now you're just being silly. A UC degree from anywhere but maybe Merced outweighs a UH degree in pretty much every field. Just look at the average admissions numbers for a UC school versus UH or look at any reliable college rankings journal such as US Newws and World Report. UH is many wonderful things, but academic powerhouse is not one of them. Definitely disagree with this. Most student athletes are starting to wise up to the idea that a college education is as much about what you do personally to get the most from where you go vs where you go doing the most for you. If you are able to succeed in the classroom and on the court, post volleyball options will be available to you. A place of business doing hiring of graduates will look at a candidates entire line of work, not just whether they were able to obtain a degree or not. I think we all know far too well that some athletes simply do the bare minimum to get by academically and that’s exactly what they’ll take into the work force. No employer in his right mind is going to take a 2.3 average student from UCLA, UCI, etc over one with a 3.5+ with honors and extracurriculars outside of playing Volleyball who also goes to Hawaii. Stanford will always have its admission gauntlet new recruits have to decide they actually want to go through as do a few others, but for the most part, I would say kids these days are smart enough to know that it’s what you do with your degree and what you did with your time on campus vs where you spent that time.
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Post by ucsdfan on Nov 18, 2018 15:19:35 GMT -5
Now you're just being silly. A UC degree from anywhere but maybe Merced outweighs a UH degree in pretty much every field. Just look at the average admissions numbers for a UC school versus UH or look at any reliable college rankings journal such as US Newws and World Report. UH is many wonderful things, but academic powerhouse is not one of them. Definitely disagree with this. Most student athletes are starting to wise up to the idea that a college education is as much about what you do personally to get the most from where you go vs where you go doing the most for you. If you are able to succeed in the classroom and on the court, post volleyball options will be available to you. A place of business doing hiring of graduates will look at a candidates entire line of work, not just whether they were able to obtain a degree or not. I think we all know far too well that some athletes simply do the bare minimum to get by academically and that’s exactly what they’ll take into the work force. No employer in his right mind is going to take a 2.3 average student from UCLA, UCI, etc over one with a 3.5+ with honors and extracurriculars outside of playing Volleyball who also goes to Hawaii. Stanford will always have its admission gauntlet new recruits have to decide they actually want to go through as do a few others, but for the most part, I would say kids these days are smart enough to know that it’s what you do with your degree and what you did with your time on campus vs where you spent that time. If an employer actually considers GPA, then you have a valid point that a 3.5+ from a lower tier university will excel over a 2.3 from an upper tier school. Being top 12% from a lower-half school is going to outweigh being bottom 8% from a higher-tier school. But the reality is that many employers are looking at experience over GPA. But consdier that you just had to make a special case of comparing a 3.5+ from UH with a 2.3 from UCI or UCLA to make your argument. That in itself means that you acknowledge the higher status of UCI over UH academically. This is just the way it is. Winning nobel prizes and repeatedly getting recognized by credible journals for academic excellence does that. When it comes to admissions into top tier graduate programs and professional schools, a 3.5 undergraduate from UH will not get in as readily as a 3.5 undergraduate from UCI will. Getting 2.3 from either school will not get in anywhere of vlaue. That is just the facts from the raw data. I will agree that some environments will help a student to prosper more than others, but the value of a name degree still weighs strong in the evaluation process for graduate and professional schools.
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Post by soljah808 on Nov 18, 2018 15:19:54 GMT -5
Is it the reason mainland kids that play sports don't come UH vs. UCI? Bulls**t. I'm telling you right now, I have never heard of one person decline UH for a UCI because of academics that wanted to play a sport. I've heard many decline UH for the Stanfords, UCLA's, and USC's of the world but not UCI. And that's not a hit on UCI, its just more than the academic reason Mainland kids choose not to play for the Bows. UH more than holds its own in academics and I continue to stand by that. I highly doubt you have talked to any mainland kids who chose UCI that had considered Hawai'i, so your point is empty. The bottomline is this. UH did not rank in the top 300 undergrate institutions in the Niche report or USNWR report for Computer Science, Engineering, Biology, Chemistry, Physics, Ecomics, Mathematics, Literature, Sociology, Business/Management, or Communications. I stopped searching at that point. UCI was top 40 in three, top 100 in seven, and top 300 in ten of those eleen categories. The harsh reality that you likely will continue to ignore is that UH is known for it's easy academics and lack of academic rigor. In my field of work, I deal with aspiring top 5% undergraduates from throughout the nation. In 27 years doing this, a UH student athlete has never come across my desk. It's just the numerical reality. Now how many of the student athletes we are talking about are destined for top tier graduate or professional schools is not necessarily a large number, but for the ones that are seeking advanced education it does not seem that UH is a desitantion while UCI is. I can personally say that I have had many student atheletes from UCI (mostly tennis players.) In terms of mens volleyball, I have worked with players from UCSD, UCLA, UCI, Stanford, LMU (when they had a program), USC, Penn State, Harvard, Princeton, Ohio State, Loyola, Pacific, CBU, and Pepperdine at some point over 27 years. Has that stopped Athletes from attending UH and instead opting to pick UCI? which is what I was addressing. You can't answer that either so your point don't mean s***.
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Post by ucsdfan on Nov 18, 2018 15:30:25 GMT -5
I highly doubt you have talked to any mainland kids who chose UCI that had considered Hawai'i, so your point is empty. The bottomline is this. UH did not rank in the top 300 undergrate institutions in the Niche report or USNWR report for Computer Science, Engineering, Biology, Chemistry, Physics, Ecomics, Mathematics, Literature, Sociology, Business/Management, or Communications. I stopped searching at that point. UCI was top 40 in three, top 100 in seven, and top 300 in ten of those eleen categories. The harsh reality that you likely will continue to ignore is that UH is known for it's easy academics and lack of academic rigor. In my field of work, I deal with aspiring top 5% undergraduates from throughout the nation. In 27 years doing this, a UH student athlete has never come across my desk. It's just the numerical reality. Now how many of the student athletes we are talking about are destined for top tier graduate or professional schools is not necessarily a large number, but for the ones that are seeking advanced education it does not seem that UH is a desitantion while UCI is. I can personally say that I have had many student atheletes from UCI (mostly tennis players.) In terms of mens volleyball, I have worked with players from UCSD, UCLA, UCI, Stanford, LMU (when they had a program), USC, Penn State, Harvard, Princeton, Ohio State, Loyola, Pacific, CBU, and Pepperdine at some point over 27 years. Has that stopped Athletes from attending UH and instead opting to pick UCI? which is what I was addressing. You can't answer that either so your point don't mean s***. Your point, as stated above, will not be proven or disproven here without stating specific names. But your comment that UH is on par academically with UCI was far off, and the numerous data points in the rankings, awards, and graduate success statistics support this. UH has fanatsic marine biology and a student seeking that degree would likely choose UH over the higher-rated institutions. But for any student athlete who sees "student > athlete" in 95% of the majors they could choose would not choose UH over any UC besides UC Merced.
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Post by goblin on Nov 19, 2018 13:19:25 GMT -5
Geez, I leave for the weekend and this thread turns into an academic pissing match. Please lets stick to the subject matter at hand which is Hawaii men's volleyball. As such, here is my prediction as to our starting lineup come January; OH1 Van Tilburg OH2 Rosenmeier MH1 Gasman MH2 Solbrig S J Worsley L
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Post by goblin on Nov 19, 2018 13:25:41 GMT -5
OPP Parapunov L G Worsley
Team 2 OPP Humler OH Cowell OH Johnson MH Hoglund MH Rosenfeld S Thelle L Sheward
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