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Post by jay on Oct 31, 2018 12:28:25 GMT -5
Vakif will have to work around Krob's weak attacking because with Gozde's retirement they don't have anyone to replace her. Zhu is just two days in from China. Maybe Gui will try to see if he can groom Karakurt into an OH.
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Post by donut on Oct 31, 2018 12:45:25 GMT -5
Ecz wins 3-1. Only watched sets 2-4, but Larson was MVP for me.
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Post by nativevolley on Oct 31, 2018 14:25:49 GMT -5
Match begins around the 20:00 min mark:
Enjoy!
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Post by ace35 on Nov 1, 2018 2:57:23 GMT -5
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Post by donut on Nov 1, 2018 11:00:09 GMT -5
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Post by donut on Nov 1, 2018 12:15:12 GMT -5
KYK actually didn't have a good game. She hit .038 and wasn't passing particularly great. She ended up being essentially subbed out for Meliha in the 4th set. That should be even more terrifying to other CEV teams, because if KYK starts hitting well too, I'm not sure there's another team that can match up with them (maybe Imoco?). Kelsey hit .043. Ouch. Lonneke hit .146 and Zhu hit .074. Not a good day for any of them. Larson hit .387, and Boscovic hit .347. I think Vakif's success in the past really hinged on the fact that they had the top Turkish talent on their team. Naz and Gozde were world-class and meant that Vakif could play their 3 strongest foreigners. What's concerning about this team is it's apparent they don't have an OH to replace Kelsey... Kelsey may very well play all year, which means either Lonneke or Rasic won't play in Turkish league games. They'll be better off in CEV play, but Kelsey's stint as a libero this last summer has obviously affected her hitting. Guidetti was yelling quite a bit at the new Vakif setter. I thought Gamze, the new Ecz setter, did a really good job actually.
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Post by ace35 on Nov 1, 2018 13:49:30 GMT -5
KYK actually didn't have a good game. She hit .038 and wasn't passing particularly great. She ended up being essentially subbed out for Meliha in the 4th set. That should be even more terrifying to other CEV teams, because if KYK starts hitting well too, I'm not sure there's another team that can match up with them (maybe Imoco?). Kelsey hit .043. Ouch. Lonneke hit .146 and Zhu hit .074. Not a good day for any of them. Larson hit .387, and Boscovic hit .347. I think Vakif's success in the past really hinged on the fact that they had the top Turkish talent on their team. Naz and Gozde were world-class and meant that Vakif could play their 3 strongest foreigners. What's concerning about this team is it's apparent they don't have an OH to replace Kelsey... Kelsey may very well play all year, which means either Lonneke or Rasic won't play in Turkish league games. They'll be better off in CEV play, but Kelsey's stint as a libero this last summer has obviously affected her hitting. Guidetti was yelling quite a bit at the new Vakif setter. I thought Gamze, the new Ecz setter, did a really good job actually. I didn't say that she had a good game. I said that it would be hard to stop them when they are all firing (basically, the same you did). Sorry if I wasn't clear. And I completely agree with your analysis of Vakif's roster (that the absence of Gozde and Naz would be ACUTELY felt was apparent all summer) it's something I myself had said many times. Not only Kelsey herself, but Guidetti and people in Vakif can now direct their anger at Karch, and how he shafted them all (for nothing, I might add). Being prevented to play in NT by someone is one thing, but negatively affecting a player's professional club career in a direct way is quite another, and much worse. For a first match, Gamze did a solid job. I expect her connection with her spikers (other than with Larson, with whom she already seems to have a great one) to improve over season. Her last season in Galatasaray was an underwhelming one, but that had as much to do with a completely screwed-up roster (what were those in Galatasaray thinking when they employed Koshe and Neslihan in 2017?!; plus Rabadzhieva had an incredible bad season) as with herself.
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Post by memorybankrupt on Nov 1, 2018 16:25:28 GMT -5
KYK actually didn't have a good game. She hit .038 and wasn't passing particularly great. She ended up being essentially subbed out for Meliha in the 4th set. That should be even more terrifying to other CEV teams, because if KYK starts hitting well too, I'm not sure there's another team that can match up with them (maybe Imoco?). Kelsey hit .043. Ouch. Lonneke hit .146 and Zhu hit .074. Not a good day for any of them. Larson hit .387, and Boscovic hit .347. I think Vakif's success in the past really hinged on the fact that they had the top Turkish talent on their team. Naz and Gozde were world-class and meant that Vakif could play their 3 strongest foreigners. What's concerning about this team is it's apparent they don't have an OH to replace Kelsey... Kelsey may very well play all year, which means either Lonneke or Rasic won't play in Turkish league games. They'll be better off in CEV play, but Kelsey's stint as a libero this last summer has obviously affected her hitting. Guidetti was yelling quite a bit at the new Vakif setter. I thought Gamze, the new Ecz setter, did a really good job actually. I didn't say that she had a good game. I said that it would be hard to stop them when they are all firing (basically, the same you did). Sorry if I wasn't clear. And I completely agree with your analysis of Vakif's roster (that the absence of Gozde and Naz would be ACUTELY felt was apparent all summer) it's something I myself had said many times. Not only Kelsey herself, but Guidetti and people in Vakif can now direct their anger at Karch, and how he shafted them all (for nothing, I might add). Being prevented to play in NT by someone is one thing, but negatively affecting a player's professional club career in a direct way is quite another, and much worse. For a first match, Gamze did a solid job. I expect her connection with her spikers (other than with Larson, with whom she already seems to have a great one) to improve over season. Her last season in Galatasaray was an underwhelming one, but that had as much to do with a completely screwed-up roster (what were those in Galatasaray thinking when they employed Koshe and Neslihan in 2017?!; plus Rabadzhieva had an incredible bad season) as with herself. I can't tell if the part about blaming Karch for Kelsey's struggle in one pro match was a joke. Kelsey would be unlikely to start on the NT over Larson and Kim Hill and possibly MBH. So is she worse off playing as the starting libero or an OH that would rarely see the floor.
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Post by ace35 on Nov 1, 2018 16:43:41 GMT -5
I didn't say that she had a good game. I said that it would be hard to stop them when they are all firing (basically, the same you did). Sorry if I wasn't clear. And I completely agree with your analysis of Vakif's roster (that the absence of Gozde and Naz would be ACUTELY felt was apparent all summer) it's something I myself had said many times. Not only Kelsey herself, but Guidetti and people in Vakif can now direct their anger at Karch, and how he shafted them all (for nothing, I might add). Being prevented to play in NT by someone is one thing, but negatively affecting a player's professional club career in a direct way is quite another, and much worse. For a first match, Gamze did a solid job. I expect her connection with her spikers (other than with Larson, with whom she already seems to have a great one) to improve over season. Her last season in Galatasaray was an underwhelming one, but that had as much to do with a completely screwed-up roster (what were those in Galatasaray thinking when they employed Koshe and Neslihan in 2017?!; plus Rabadzhieva had an incredible bad season) as with herself. I can't tell if the part about blaming Karch for Kelsey's struggle in one pro match was a joke. Kelsey would be unlikely to start on the NT over Larson and Kim Hill and possibly MBH. So is she worse off playing as the starting libero or an OH that would rarely see the floor. IMO, the first is much more damaging, especially if we talk about OH becoming libero. From a reception point-of-view, it might not be a big difference, but from an attacking POV, the difference is self-evident. You are in a danger of simply losing an instinct for attack. And Vakif is in a position where they NEED Kelsey to score and attack rather a lot, because they are sitting either Rasic or Sloetjes because of her. Of course, the things might very well change, and she might start to play better, but if she doesn't...there is a case to be made that she has a much better cause for grievance than any of the players who are not invited to NT.
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Post by alohavball on Nov 1, 2018 19:16:13 GMT -5
Maybe Gui will try to see if he can groom Karakurt into an OH. It's seems that way and he's using Zhu as the model. I think Guidetti is more focused on developing his NT players (Cansu Ozbay, Gizem Orge, Tugba Senoglu, Ebrar Karakurt, Zehra Gunes, Kubra Akman, Derya Cebecioglu) this season rather than how the club performs. They are afterall, part of the core for Turkey.
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Post by ace35 on Nov 2, 2018 16:27:18 GMT -5
I'll use this thread to give a list of this year's winners of CEV Awards (which have just been announced):
-Male Volleyball Player of the Year: Bartosz Kurek -Female Volleyball Player of the Year: Tijana Boskovic -Women's Team Coach of the Year: Zoran Terzic -Men's Team Coach of the Year: Vital Heynen
This is second consecutive year that Boskovic has won this award.
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Post by ericleo on Nov 3, 2018 12:39:33 GMT -5
I'll use this thread to give a list of this year's winners of CEV Awards (which have just been announced): -Male Volleyball Player of the Year: Bartosz Kurek-Female Volleyball Player of the Year: Tijana Boskovic-Women's Team Coach of the Year: Zoran Terzic-Men's Team Coach of the Year: Vital Heynen
This is second consecutive year that Boskovic has won this award. Well deserved. Boskovic has improved a lot since Rio. She is IMO the no.1 opposite of women's volleyball right now.
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Post by VolleyTX on Nov 3, 2018 13:50:51 GMT -5
Anyone else think that most of these top players seem to enjoy playing more for their club teams than their national teams?
Larson played better and showed more energy in this match than any of her matches in the World Championships (I'm not knocking her). I get the sense she prefers this tempo of sets.
Boskovic, Zhu, even Slojes (sp) seem to have more energy and be having more fun... and more dynamic emotionally.
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Post by vballme10 on Nov 3, 2018 14:06:30 GMT -5
Anyone else think that most of these top players seem to enjoy playing more for their club teams than their national teams? Larson played better and showed more energy in this match than any of her matches in the World Championships (I'm not knocking her). I get the sense she prefers this tempo of sets. Boskovic, Zhu, even Slojes (sp) seem to have more energy and be having more fun... and more dynamic emotionally. I agree, I think playing along side such amazing players, they’re more relaxed and don’t have the pressure to have to carry teams. That’s my thoughts anyways. Larson, though in her first match of the season, is already playing 10’s better than with the National team.
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Post by donut on Nov 3, 2018 14:24:41 GMT -5
Anyone else think that most of these top players seem to enjoy playing more for their club teams than their national teams? Larson played better and showed more energy in this match than any of her matches in the World Championships (I'm not knocking her). I get the sense she prefers this tempo of sets. Boskovic, Zhu, even Slojes (sp) seem to have more energy and be having more fun... and more dynamic emotionally. The National Team tournaments are also GRUELING. BTW, I think most players wouldn't want the sets the USA NT gets... Larson has great court vision. She has always excelled when she has time to see the block and adjust accordingly.
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