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Post by Keystonekid on Nov 29, 2004 6:08:34 GMT -5
The Big 12 coaches should be ashamed of themselves for their conference awards voting. Texas which came in second by four votes, had the POY, newcomer of the year and the most all-conference selections. What the coaches are saying is that Texas has by far, the most talent. They than completeletly contradict themselves by voting Jerrit the Coach of the Year. I don't want to detract from Texas or Elliot who did a great job this year but, Here is a simple question coaches- If Texas has the best player in the conference and the most standouts of any teams, didn't they under achieve by losing the conference by four games? If Nebraska has less talent (that is what the coaches are saying) than how come Cook who won the conference in a landlslide, and earned the #1 seed in the country, isn't coach of the year. There is only one of two scenarios, the players at Nebraska got shafted by the conference coaches or Cook did. There is only one award in the conference that isn't voted on and that is Big 12 champions. I guess the lesson is "if you can't beat em, shaft em!"
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Post by vbking on Nov 29, 2004 7:17:20 GMT -5
You really have to wonder how Elliot received coach of the year. Basically, all he did this year was what he should have done the previous two years. It really is too bad for John and his staff because they really did deserve the coach of the year award. It is a much tougher job keeping a team mentally sharp when they win their league so easily. This team played the whole season with a bullseye on its back. It is a tribute to the coaching staff and the players that they were able to maintain their focus and not flounder, even once, through the whole big 12 season.
Great job Huskers.
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Post by Gorf on Nov 29, 2004 7:32:19 GMT -5
Let's see..
Nebraska starts the season out ranked #2 in the nation and is currently ranked #2 in the nation.
Texas started the season out unranked nationally and it currently ranked #11 in the nation.
Which of those two teams appears to have most exceeded expectations?
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Post by NU_Spike on Nov 29, 2004 7:58:19 GMT -5
Let me tell you something. The difference between Nebraska and Texas is that Nebraska doesn't give a crap about all those awards. They play for national championships here. Ask anyone from Nebraska if they would trade in their team for all those individual honors. Nope. Texas can have them all-Nebraska will be looking in their rearview mirror at the Horns for the next 3 years. I'm sure Cook and company take great pleasure in the fact that they took the conference player and coach of the year and embarrassed them with the spanking they administered last week.
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Post by huskervbfan on Nov 29, 2004 8:04:14 GMT -5
I've read many times that it is easier to get to the top than it is to stay there. We'll see who stays at the top.
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Post by huskervbfan on Nov 29, 2004 8:06:00 GMT -5
Let's see.. Nebraska starts the season out ranked #2 in the nation and is currently ranked #2 in the nation. Texas started the season out unranked nationally and it currently ranked #11 in the nation. Which of those two teams appears to have most exceeded expectations? This is a conference award. How did each respective team do in the conference relative to the others? Texas was a four-time looser and Nebraska was a winner everytime. If Texas has the best players, what happened? Something doesn't jive.
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Post by Gorf on Nov 29, 2004 8:07:17 GMT -5
How were each of those teams voted by the other conference coaches to finish in conference before the season began?
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Post by huskervbfan on Nov 29, 2004 8:08:55 GMT -5
How were each of those teams voted by the other conference coaches to finish in conference before the season began? Texas was 3 and moved up by default because K-State started #2 and finished #5 so DIDN'T live up to expectations. That had nothing to do with Elliot doing a great job.
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Post by Keystonekid on Nov 29, 2004 8:10:30 GMT -5
Congratulations to the Gorfian Knot, who wins the award for missing the entire point. If you read again, (taking into consideration you can read) My point is and was if you have the most talent in the conference and that is clearly what the conference is saying, you should not be the coach of the year if you lose by four games to a team with lesser talent, again, that is what the conference is saying. According to the Big 12 coaches, John Cook mopped the floor with Texas with less talent. Did Texas finish higher nationally than they started? Yes. This however is a conference award based on in-conference competition. The Gorfian makes a good point, unfortunately it has nothing to do with the points in this thread.
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Post by Gorf on Nov 29, 2004 8:18:43 GMT -5
I guess Texas is to blame for Kansas State's slide?
Texas overachieved in finishing higher than expected, Nebraska met expectations.
Sure its hard to finish better than a pre-season #1 selection, however, it is certainly not uncommon for a team that exceed expectations to get awards like coach of the year.
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Post by Gorf on Nov 29, 2004 8:22:04 GMT -5
Congratulations to the Gorfian Knot, who wins the award for missing the entire point. If you read again, (taking into consideration you can read) My point is and was if you have the most talent in the conference and that is clearly what the conference is saying, you should not be the coach of the year if you lose by four games to a team with lesser talent, again, that is what the conference is saying. According to the Big 12 coaches, John Cook mopped the floor with Texas with less talent. Did Texas finish higher nationally than they started? Yes. This however is a conference award based on in-conference competition. The Gorfian makes a good point, unfortunately it has nothing to do with the points in this thread. ROFL. It is a conference award that is commonly based on the difference between pre-season expectations as compared to in-season results. Pre-season Texas had what, 1 player selected to the all-conference team? Texas exceeded expectations, they were giving the awards for doing that. FWIW: I like how you skew your stats by failing to mention that Nebraska had more 1st team all conference selections than Texas.
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Post by huskervbfan on Nov 29, 2004 8:22:57 GMT -5
I guess Texas is to blame for Kansas State's slide? Both teams swept them so it was the other teams that did the real damage
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Post by huskervbfan on Nov 29, 2004 8:28:25 GMT -5
Sure its hard to finish better than a pre-season #1 selection, however, it is certainly not uncommon for a team that exceed expectations to get awards like coach of the year. Let's see, in the first meeting, Texas won the first game relatively easily. Then they won the second game something like 35-33, then Nebraska won the next 3 games and the match. In the next meeting, Nebraska totally destroyed Texas. If we both had the same players for each time and they had the better talent, who clearly did the better coaching job, not only during the match but in preparation for the next?
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Post by Gorf on Nov 29, 2004 8:31:25 GMT -5
Let's see, in the first meeting, Texas won the first game relatively easily. Then they won the second game something like 35-33, then Nebraska won the next 3 games and the match. In the next meeting, Nebraska totally destroyed Texas. If we both had the same players for each time and they had the better talent, who clearly did the better coaching job, not only during the match but in preparation for the next? What part of the word "expectations" are you failing to understand? Nebraska was the unanimous pre-season #1 selection in the Big 12. They were expected to pound everyone. Texas was pre-season ranked #3 and finished above expectations. Hence, they received the awards.
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Post by HuskerRed on Nov 29, 2004 8:34:22 GMT -5
All-everything awards are just so frustrating! Throughout the entire undefeated conference season of twenty Big 12 games, Nebraska shut down players that would get Big 12 Player of the Week! Good grief, look what the Huskers did against Mira Topic just last Wednesday! As "Arnold" would say, these are "girlie" awards, and we are after team awards! So many times when a team pushes one player for an award, it shows their lack of balance. Nebraska can be proud that each and every player on our team is a team player that on any given night can be the difference maker. Sure, Sarah is our go-to girl; Melissa can roof the lights out; and Jen is everywhere, but, Tracy, Christina, Dani M. and Ally have each contributed big time on many occasions. Dani B. , Michelle snd Amanda spark the team in immeasurable ways and then there is our coaching staff! What does that say about the Big 12 coaches when we win the National Champtionship and Coach Cook is COY?! Craig Skinner should definitely win Asst. COY!!! It is because of him that our blocking leads the nation and Melissa, Tracy and Ally have been able to shut down the Mira Topic's of the Big 12.
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