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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 12:43:27 GMT -5
Cart way before horse, here. But, do both Robinson and Hammill redshirt? I assume that with the graduation of Duello that Demps will see the floor early.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Nov 6, 2019 12:49:31 GMT -5
Also: Sydney Hilley's little sister Sami is HM. She's listed as a setter, though, which is not entirely correct - AFAIK even though she's only somewhere in the neighborhood of 5-9/5-10, she plays primarily MH for both HS and club! Her MaxPreps profile lists her as a MH/S.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Nov 6, 2019 12:51:14 GMT -5
Cart way before horse, here. But, do both Robinson and Hammill redshirt? I assume that with the graduation of Duello that Demps will see the floor early. I assume that Hammill will redshirt. No reason to burn a year of eligibility when we'll have an AA setter in her senior season and a more than capable sophomore as a backup.
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Post by stanfordvb on Nov 6, 2019 14:04:28 GMT -5
Just because you don't like her doesn't mean you have to refer to her as a pig.
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Post by badgerbreath on Nov 6, 2019 19:36:03 GMT -5
So, the stats deep dive I was talking about: what's behind the badgers success in the B1G so far?
1. High KP and low errors = great HP. Right now the badgers lead the conference in HP by almost 25 points at 0.303, but it's interesting to see why that is. They are actually second to Neb in K% (0.417 to 0.427). Michigan is the only other B1G team with a KP above 0.400 at 0.413, the next highest being PSU at 0.396. But the badgers also have the lowest error rate (E/TA) at 0.114. Nebraska has an error rate 35 points higher, which explains the HP difference. Only Minnesota really comes close to the badgers error rate at 0.117, but the gophers have a KP at 0.380 - nearly 40 points below the badgers. The badgers have both the lowest unforced error rate and the lowest rate of being blocked.
2. Floor Defense. The badgers have the second best defense in B1G play, allowing teams to hit only 0.168. They are pretty middling at blocking (8th at B/TA), but they are getting better. Teams have a middling unforced error rate against them. But they are second in percentage of attacks dug at 0.515, 5 points behind Nebraska at 0.520. The only other teams with a fraction greater than 0.500 are OSU and ILL.
3. This results in high attack point differential: The badgers have the best difference in HP from their opponents, +0.135 compared to +0.130 for Nebraska. However, badgers are 11th in attacks per set at 33.4, and 12th in the difference in attacks per set at -1.59. Nonetheless, they get on average 4.24 more points per set from attack on average than their opponents. That ranks a close second behind Nebraska, at 4.27.
4. Serve and serve-receive is phenomenal: If the comparison were to stop at attack, you'd think the huskers and badgers would be neck and neck. But the service-receive game really separates the badgers from all other teams, and it's not. even. close. They lead in both SA per set (1.93) and in SA given up per set (0.66). They are 9th in SEs, but third in opponent SEs, as teams are really trying to take them out of system. All told, it leads to an extra 1.49 points (!!!) per set more than their opponents get just in the serve receive game. Purdue is second with 0.79 and Minnesota 2nd with 0.4. This is by far the best badgers serving team I have ever seen.
5. The serving creates the separation in total points per set: The badgers get 5.73 points per set more than their opponents, which is a full 1.76 point more per set than the second place team in this respect: Nebraska at 3.97. That is a large gap. Minnesota and PSU are a distant third and fourth at 2.74 and 2.42 - less than half of the UW value. They managed this while playing every team immediately below them in the standings at least once (PSU, Nebraska, Minn, Mich, Purdue, and ILL). PSU, Minnie and Neb in particular have not had as tough a schedule.
A lot of this we understood from watching matches, but I'm surprised at the scale of the difference in serving, and the consistency of that difference from match to match and across the rotation (something I haven't quantified here). I'm also surprised just how well the improved floor defense shows up in the stats. I imagine a lot of that is because the block has gotten better - lots of good touches and more stable - but it's in the digs that we see a difference.
The badgers always lag in attacks/set though, while gophers are almost always in lead. I'd love to understand what's behind that difference.
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Post by badgerbreath on Nov 6, 2019 20:07:43 GMT -5
Driven - on nutrition!!
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Post by badgerbreath on Nov 6, 2019 20:29:19 GMT -5
Cart way before horse, here. But, do both Robinson and Hammill redshirt? I assume that with the graduation of Duello that Demps will see the floor early. As rainbow said, I think Hammill RS's but I have no idea who replaces Duello. Gorum, Demps, Robinson, maybe even Wohlert may all be in contention. The bigger question is what happens in the back row when Clark and Dodge graduate. What combo of Ashburn, AnnaMac, Whitehead, Gregorski will join Barnes in back row.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 20:35:49 GMT -5
I would expect Barnes to slide into the libero jersey, Izzy retain her current role, and AnnaMac to sub in for Haggerty or Loberg, with the other going 6 rotations. I think this year is a unique situation with so many accomplished back row types. But, that has been an awful lot of subbing. It has worked, though.
I only thought of RS-ing Robinson because it would be nice to get 4 years as a starter in the middle out of her, assuming that is where she would play.
Great work on the deep dive on stats, breath. The serving is fun to watch
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Post by klattc on Nov 6, 2019 21:14:14 GMT -5
Robinson could play rightisde her freshman year the same as Ogbogu did for Texas her freshman year. In recieve Ogbogu would hit in front of the setter. Could be an option, but Demps was also killing it at Camps this summer so it will be a battle!! Lots of options is great though!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 21:17:10 GMT -5
Robinson could play rightisde her freshman year the same as Ogbogu did for Texas her freshman year. Ogbogu played middle but was lined up opposite the setter (Allison). Bell and McCage played on the right when front row with Ogbogu.
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Post by TuesdayGone on Nov 6, 2019 21:24:11 GMT -5
So, the stats deep dive I was talking about: what's behind the badgers success in the B1G so far? 1. High KP and low errors = great HP. Right now the badgers lead the conference in HP by almost 25 points at 0.303, but it's interesting to see why that is. They are actually second to Neb in K% (0.417 to 0.427). Michigan is the only other B1G team with a KP above 0.400 at 0.413, the next highest being PSU at 0.396. But the badgers also have the lowest error rate (E/TA) at 0.114. Nebraska has an error rate 35 points higher, which explains the HP difference. Only Minnesota really comes close to the badgers error rate at 0.117, but the gophers have a KP at 0.380 - nearly 40 points below the badgers. The badgers have both the lowest unforced error rate and the lowest rate of being blocked. 2. Floor Defense. The badgers have the second best defense in B1G play, allowing teams to hit only 0.168. They are pretty middling at blocking (8th at B/TA), but they are getting better. Teams have a middling unforced error rate against them. But they are second in percentage of attacks dug at 0.515, 5 points behind Nebraska at 0.520. The only other teams with a fraction greater than 0.500 are OSU and ILL. 3. This results in high attack point differential: The badgers have the best difference in HP from their opponents, +0.135 compared to +0.130 for Nebraska. However, badgers are 11th in attacks per set at 33.4, and 12th in the difference in attacks per set at -1.59. Nonetheless, they get on average 4.24 more points per set from attack on average than their opponents. That ranks a close second behind Nebraska, at 4.27. 4. Serve and serve-receive is phenomenal: If the comparison were to stop at attack, you'd think the huskers and badgers would be neck and neck. But the service-receive game really separates the badgers from all other teams, and it's not. even. close. They lead in both SA per set (1.93) and in SA given up per set (0.66). They are 9th in SEs, but third in opponent SEs, as teams are really trying to take them out of system. All told, it leads to an extra 1.49 points (!!!) per set more than their opponents get just in the serve receive game. Purdue is second with 0.79 and Minnesota 2nd with 0.4. This is by far the best badgers serving team I have ever seen. 5. The serving creates the separation in total points per set: The badgers get 5.73 points per set more than their opponents, which is a full 1.76 point more per set than the second place team in this respect: Nebraska at 3.97. That is a large gap. Minnesota and PSU are a distant third and fourth at 2.74 and 2.42 - less than half of the UW value. They managed this while playing every team immediately below them in the standings at least once (PSU, Nebraska, Minn, Mich, Purdue, and ILL). PSU, Minnie and Neb in particular have not had as tough a schedule. A lot of this we understood from watching matches, but I'm surprised at the scale of the difference in serving, and the consistency of that difference from match to match and across the rotation (something I haven't quantified here). I'm also surprised just how well the improved floor defense shows up in the stats. I imagine a lot of that is because the block has gotten better - lots of good touches and more stable - but it's in the digs that we see a difference. The badgers always lag in attacks/set though, while gophers are almost always in lead. I'd love to understand what's behind that difference. Wisconsin aces and opponent errors will reduce Wisconsin attacks per set.
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Post by badgerbreath on Nov 6, 2019 21:35:02 GMT -5
Wisconsin aces and opponent errors will reduce Wisconsin attacks per set. Maybe, but this difference has existed for a few years now regardless of whether the SR game is net positive or negative for badgers.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Nov 7, 2019 5:38:55 GMT -5
Speaking of Wohlert, has she actually played a single point in a game this season? I do not remember seeing her.
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Post by BuckysHeat on Nov 7, 2019 8:52:29 GMT -5
Speaking of Wohlert, has she actually played a single point in a game this season? I do not remember seeing her. No
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Post by PeoriaBucky on Nov 7, 2019 9:02:30 GMT -5
Thanks for the in depth analysis, badgerbreath.
This explains to me why watching the Badgers this year is SOOOOOO much more satisfying than last season; last year was infuriating with the number of service errors. Every time they did that last year (and they did it A LOT), I would say to myself, "this team is so talented, imagine what we could do if we didn't put every third serve in the net!" Well, this year that question is being answered, and it's beautiful.
What was the SA/SE ratio last year?
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