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Post by ksc on Nov 19, 2019 13:24:18 GMT -5
FYI, I am not sure why the normal weekly headline article has not appeared at the SEC website, but here is a the website address of a brief article at the UK website announcing Edmond, Curry, and Lilley, but also, Andrea Fuentes and Kacie Evans as Players of the week. ukathletics.com/news/2019/11/18/volleyball-leah-edmond-madison-lilley-and-gabby-curry-win-sec-awards.aspx?path=wvballSEC Player of the Week Leah Edmond, Kentucky SEC Offensive Player of the Week Leah Edmond, Kentucky SEC Defensive Player of the Week Gabby Curry, Kentucky SEC Co-Setters of the Week Madison Lilley, Kentucky; Andrea Fuentes, MIZ SEC Freshman of the Week Kacie Evans, Georgia
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Post by ksc on Nov 19, 2019 15:09:23 GMT -5
Wow...I am seeing the same unreasoned bias against Curry that I saw last year...oh well...I would disappoint dman if I did not offer comment:
Below are SEC statistics currently available, ie. (1) Digs per set, (2) Assists per Set, (3) Assist %, (4) Service Aces per Set, (4) Serve %, and (5)Reception Error %. Ranks are based in the top ten liberos as listed at these statistics at the SEC website
Digs per Set..(1st)-Purcell--4.73;-(2nd)-Curry----4.40;-(4th)-Gregory---4.18;-(7th)-Gomez----3.76 Assists/Set...(1st)-Curry----1.23;-(2nd)-Purcell--1.06;-(3nd)-Gomez-----1.04;-(5th)-Gregory -.99 Assist %......(1st)-Curry---.336;--(2nd)-Gomez---.328;--(3rd)-Gregory---.290;-(10th)-Purcell-.214 Aces per Set..(2nd)-Curry---.22;---(5th)-Gomez---.18;---(8th)-Gregory---.14;--(10th)-Purcell-.11 Serve %.......(1st)-Purcell-.955;--(4th)-Gomez---.917;--(6th)-Curry-----.913;-(9th)-Gregory--.894 RE per Set....(2nd)-Gomez---.966;--(3rd)-Gregoy--.965;--(7th)-Curry-----.954;-(10th)-Purcell-.936 r Cum. Rank.....(1st)-Curry---19;---(2nd)-Gomez---24;---(5th)-Gregory---32;---(7th)-Purcell---34
I challenge the claim of last year (and repeated this year) that the SEC coaches have a bias in selecting LOY from a "top conference team." The coaches are the only folks who actually have access (even if its their own tracking) of PASSING proficiency!! Last year, and certainly this year, Curry will be considered the best passing libero in the SEC, and arguably in the NCAA. Curry's ability with respect to passing has been noted by Coach Skinner, UK teammates, SEC announcing teams, and last year during the NCAA tournament, by the ESPN team of Kiraly & Sunderland.
The LOY will be the best 1st & 2nd touch passing libero (Curry) The LOY will be the best assisting libero The LOY will not rank 10th in 3 categories! (Purcell) The LOY will not fail to rank 1st in at least one of the five statistical categories (Gomez, Gregory)
The SEC Libero of the Year will once again be Curry, but I think there is good possibility that Gomez may join her as an All-SEC selection
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Post by vbshrink on Nov 19, 2019 16:01:30 GMT -5
So, two-ish weekends left in the season -- who is on your ALL-SEC team and ALL-Freshman team? I'm notorious for overlooking obvious people when it comes to these things, but here is my take at a 12-person All-Conference squad and a 6 person All-Freshman team: All-Conference: Hans (TAMU) DeBerg (Mizzou) Lilley (UK) Edmond (UK) Bannister (LSU) Kramer (UF) Hall (UF) Omazic (Mizzou) Grubbs (Tenn) Robinson (SC) Stroup (OM) Purcell (OM) And yes, I picked Purcell over Curry. Don't @ me, bro. All-Freshman: Evans (UGA) Gillen (Ark) Wells (Bama) Rose (LSU) ... and here's where I get stuck looking at a lot of similar statistics... Tealer (UK) Rush (TAMU) I could be talked into any number of people instead of Tealer or Rush, but I chose them because when they are on, they are incredible to watch. I like this list...of course I'm a little biased with Hill for Freshman team. Think Purcell has had a heck of a year and I'd put her above Curry as well (but thought she had a real nice match against FL this weekend). Not sold on Gomez either. Think Gregory has had a real nice year too! It will end up being Curry in the end because for whatever reason they seem to put LOY on a top conference team. Think Valle got screwed last year but just my opinion. Just your CORRECT opinion, that is. ;-)
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Post by trainermch on Nov 19, 2019 16:27:43 GMT -5
FYI, I am not sure why the normal weekly headline article has not appeared at the SEC website, but here is a the website address of a brief article at the UK website announcing Edmond, Curry, and Lilley, but also, Andrea Fuentes and Kacie Evans as Players of the week. ukathletics.com/news/2019/11/18/volleyball-leah-edmond-madison-lilley-and-gabby-curry-win-sec-awards.aspx?path=wvballSEC Player of the Week Leah Edmond, Kentucky SEC Offensive Player of the Week Leah Edmond, Kentucky SEC Defensive Player of the Week Gabby Curry, Kentucky SEC Co-Setters of the Week Madison Lilley, Kentucky; Andrea Fuentes, MIZ SEC Freshman of the Week Kacie Evans, Georgia I always post it when I find it. I looked and looked this am. Someone must be out sick or on vacation. I remember finding a video/gif on twitter with everyone's images, but I can't even find that now. Congrats to all. Well-deserved.
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Post by dman on Nov 19, 2019 16:55:38 GMT -5
Wow...I am seeing the same unreasoned bias against Curry that I saw last year...oh well...I would disappoint dman if I did not offer comment: Below are SEC statistics currently available, ie. (1) Digs per set, (2) Assists per Set, (3) Assist %, (4) Service Aces per Set, (4) Serve %, and (5)Reception Error %. Ranks are based in the top ten liberos as listed at these statistics at the SEC website Digs per Set..(1st)-Purcell--4.73;-(2nd)-Curry----4.40;-(4th)-Gregory---4.18;-(7th)-Gomez----3.76 Assists/Set...(1st)-Curry----1.23;-(2nd)-Purcell--1.06;-(3nd)-Gomez-----1.04;-(5th)-Gregory -.99 Assist %......(1st)-Curry---.336;--(2nd)-Gomez---.328;--(3rd)-Gregory---.290;-(10th)-Purcell-.214 Aces per Set..(2nd)-Curry---.22;---(5th)-Gomez---.18;---(8th)-Gregory---.14;--(10th)-Purcell-.11 Serve %.......(1st)-Purcell-.955;--(4th)-Gomez---.917;--(6th)-Curry-----.913;-(9th)-Gregory--.894 RE per Set....(2nd)-Gomez---.966;--(3rd)-Gregoy--.965;--(7th)-Curry-----.954;-(10th)-Purcell-.936 r Cum. Rank.....(1st)-Curry---19;---(2nd)-Gomez---24;---(5th)-Gregory---32;---(7th)-Purcell---34 I challenge the claim of last year (and repeated this year) that the SEC coaches have a bias in selecting LOY from a "top conference team." The coaches are the only folks who actually have access (even if its their own tracking) of PASSING proficiency!! Last year, and certainly this year, Curry will be considered the best passing libero in the SEC, and arguably in the NCAA. Curry's ability with respect to passing has been noted by Coach Skinner, UK teammates, SEC announcing teams, and last year during the NCAA tournament, by the ESPN team of Kiraly & Sunderland. The LOY will be the best 1st & 2nd touch passing libero (Curry) The LOY will be the best assisting libero The LOY will not rank 10th in 3 categories! (Purcell) The LOY will not fail to rank 1st in at least one of the five statistical categories (Gomez, Gregory) The SEC Libero of the Year will once again be Curry, but I think there is good possibility that Gomez may join her as an All-SEC selection Was waiting in anticipation for your response, ksc! Well done!
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Post by ksc on Nov 19, 2019 17:44:23 GMT -5
Trainercdf: Like you, I looked but found nothing until I visited the Kentucky Volleyball twitter website (which I do often) and found a reference to the article which happened to include the listing (no text) of the Player of the week selections. I assume that the list is something sent early to coaches of the selected athletes. Nthing has yet appeared at the SEC website.
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Post by ksc on Nov 19, 2019 17:46:48 GMT -5
dman: I haven't been as active this fall with a couple of medical issues, but with a libero discussion...I could not help myself...ha! Big game coming up for LSU and Kentucky.
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Post by sclawman on Nov 19, 2019 18:11:28 GMT -5
The SEC website hasn't updated the stats in a couple of weeks. Once basketball starts, volleyball is less of a priority (or so it appears).
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Post by ksc on Nov 19, 2019 18:23:11 GMT -5
Vbshrink: You were actually one of the few with a positive comment in the SEC 2018 thread. I have, from that thread, 16 pages of libero-related comment, most against Curry, but quoted is one of yours: "Kentucky - The loss of Dusek is also going to be significant. There is some debate amongst UK faithful as to whether Curry has what it takes to be the âbro (I think she does), or whether that slot will go to Watson or Tharp." I guess when one thinks about it, considering the incredible success of many NCAA liberos over the years from the private schools Mercy & Assumption in Louisville, including Watson & Tharp, who is going to give serious consideration tp a public libero from Buford, GA?...ha!
As a final observation, I think the 2019 SEC thread discussions especially on liberos have been generally fair, constructive, and respectful---a far cry from some other threads that I just abandon in frustration and not a little anger. Thank you SEC
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Post by ksc on Nov 19, 2019 18:26:51 GMT -5
sclawman: You are correct. Last year, the stats were regularly updated, and I could go in to review the libero stats every week. This year, here have been significant gaps, even at the beginning of the year. I will wait for the end of the year to take a final look.
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Post by dman on Nov 19, 2019 18:48:44 GMT -5
dman: I haven't been as active this fall with a couple of medical issues, but with a libero discussion...I could not help myself...ha! Big game coming up for LSU and Kentucky. Bigger for LSU than you guys! Only way these girls have a shot in tourney is to win out and even then would be a close call! Looking forward to hopefully an exciting match! Hope you are now feeling better...much bigger things in life than who is the best libero in the SEC!! .....itâs Cianciulli by the way!!đđ
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Post by vbshrink on Nov 19, 2019 22:54:01 GMT -5
Vbshrink: You were actually one of the few with a positive comment in the SEC 2018 thread. I have, from that thread, 16 pages of libero-related comment, most against Curry, but quoted is one of yours: "Kentucky - The loss of Dusek is also going to be significant. There is some debate amongst UK faithful as to whether Curry has what it takes to be the âbro (I think she does), or whether that slot will go to Watson or Tharp." I guess when one thinks about it, considering the incredible success of many NCAA liberos over the years from the private schools Mercy & Assumption in Louisville, including Watson & Tharp, who is going to give serious consideration tp a public libero from Buford, GA?...ha! As a final observation, I think the 2019 SEC thread discussions especially on liberos have been generally fair, constructive, and respectful---a far cry from some other threads that I just abandon in frustration and not a little anger. Thank you SEC I donât dislike Curry at all - whatâs to dislike? Sheâs great! Seriously. I also appreciate very much your statistical data - it definitely provides a counterpoint to the limited observations that most of us have based on the random games/matches we have had the opportunity to watch. However, my personal opinion is that there is just more to it than statistics - intangibles and context that are hard to quantify. Would Ole Miss have had the season theyâve had without Purcellâs defense? No way, imo. Kentucky still wouldâve been awesome without Curry. This is a gut feeling kind of post, not a dispassionate statistical analysis. I think thereâs a place for both.
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Post by dman on Nov 19, 2019 23:22:12 GMT -5
Vbshrink: You were actually one of the few with a positive comment in the SEC 2018 thread. I have, from that thread, 16 pages of libero-related comment, most against Curry, but quoted is one of yours: "Kentucky - The loss of Dusek is also going to be significant. There is some debate amongst UK faithful as to whether Curry has what it takes to be the âbro (I think she does), or whether that slot will go to Watson or Tharp." I guess when one thinks about it, considering the incredible success of many NCAA liberos over the years from the private schools Mercy & Assumption in Louisville, including Watson & Tharp, who is going to give serious consideration tp a public libero from Buford, GA?...ha! As a final observation, I think the 2019 SEC thread discussions especially on liberos have been generally fair, constructive, and respectful---a far cry from some other threads that I just abandon in frustration and not a little anger. Thank you SEC I donât dislike Curry at all - whatâs to dislike? Sheâs great! Seriously. I also appreciate very much your statistical data - it definitely provides a counterpoint to the limited observations that most of us have based on the random games/matches we have had the opportunity to watch. However, my personal opinion is that there is just more to it than statistics - intangibles and context that are hard to quantify. Would Ole Miss have had the season theyâve had without Purcellâs defense? No way, imo. Kentucky still wouldâve been awesome without Curry. This is a gut feeling kind of post, not a dispassionate statistical analysis. I think thereâs a place for both. Spot on!!
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Post by trainermch on Nov 19, 2019 23:23:49 GMT -5
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Post by ksc on Nov 20, 2019 2:24:26 GMT -5
vbshrink:
I was misunderstood, I think...I was complimenting you as being one of the very few before the 2018 season even began to propose that while even some Kentucky fans expressed doubt that Curry could ever replace Dusek, you THOUGHT SHE COULD!
Also, regarding Purcell, there is absolutely a place not only for both our opinions, but recognition of the positive impact both Purcell and Curry have on their respective teams! FYI...At 42 sets early in the season, Purcell's overall rank was tied for 2nd, with 1st in digs per set, 3rd in Assists per Set, and 4th in Serve %. Challenging Curry like that this year were also...at 48 sets, Gomez who actually tied for 2nd with Purcell... and at 4th with only 13 sets played, was Zgunda. Just to complete the picture, Gregory with 45 sets played, was 5th! That is a lot of exciting competition to anticipate?
Last, I love your point on intangibles and context. I think that the perception of those, each in our own way, expressed and discussed respectfully, is where the real power of Volleytalk forums lie.
Here is a perspective that you may or may not have thought about at the time, but one never mentioned when comparing Curry and Dusek. At the beginning of the 2017 season, with Ashley Dusek's injury, Curry inherited the starting libero role for her first 7 collegiate matches. UK went 5-2, with two losses to #7 Kansas and #9 Creighton, but 2 wins including #11 Utah and #19 USC. Dusek split the remaining regular season with 1 win and one loss, both with Florida ranked #4. She again went 1-1 in the NCAA Tournament, winning against #9 BYU, and losing against #1 Nebraska. While folks were disparaging Curry, she was actually playing excellent volleyball, not only against the teams mentioned, but also including perennially strong teams like Northern Iowa and Cincinatti.
But here is my observation. Among all of the disparaging comments for the following two years, no one appears to have realized that Curry's supporting cast that first year in the backcourt was limited to DS MacKenzie Watson and OH Meredith Jewell, while Dusek always had the benefit of two oustanding DS -Watson and Curry! That combo carried UK to the brink of the final 4...not bad for a freshman!
Again, I enjoy our conversations
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