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Post by boh on Feb 11, 2019 10:42:52 GMT -5
The locations got noticeably colder as the day went on and the courts got slicker as the buildings got colder, especially near the concrete walls. It seemed like they were just too cheap to turn the heat up? I have said before, you need to know what you are looking for and monitoring temperature/humidity inside and outside buildings that size along with what roof vents you have open. Once your walls/floors get condensation there is literally no fix, it takes hours to rectify it. Inexperienced people can mess that up so easy, and turning the heat up could potentially make the situation immensely worse. However Illinois in the last couple weeks has experienced temperatures that even some of the parents in those gyms have never felt before, so many of these places with people lacking knowledge paired with an act of God just spell out potential disaster. Yes, I remember you talking about it. Wish someone that knew what they were doing would take control of the situations because it was starting to get very dangerous. As for the bracket play vs pools, unless you are waiting until teams play a few tournaments and then running your league and seeding teams that way it is simply unfair to do it that way to begin a season. Your seedings are all based on what teams did the year before when they could be vastly different (look at Adversity for example). That is going to give some teams unfair matchups during seeding. Which is fine with brackets because they can win their way into tougher competition, but with pools they would be bored out of their mind and lose out on good competition.
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Post by deohge on Feb 11, 2019 12:38:29 GMT -5
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Post by deohge on Feb 11, 2019 13:08:14 GMT -5
Yeah, that's the old Great Lakes Power League format. Seemed like everybody that defected did so with the condition that the format came too. For everything that is wrong with that club, they got the volleyball stuff right a lot. I agree that they do volleyball right. I would go so far to correct your statement that "for everything wrong with that club" because it's not the club itself that's the issue. My kid, myself, we both really loved her experiences there and she regrets moving on somewhere else. There actually is a fair population of parents and kids that aren't fans of the intensity of it all (Sports Performance) and move on the next year only to be right back at SPRI the year after that. When she was there there seemed to be a trend where several girls left at 14's and were back at SPRI their 16's year. Off the top of my head I know three girls just in my girls age group that did that, that's just one year. The one mom mentioned to me that her daughter really missed the kind of training she was getting there (when she left was put on a 1's team at her new club, much like my own kid, hated that club and the cliqueness she experienced because the girls acted a certain way toward her, maybe because their team was pretty unchanged for several years and when she went in it was a culture shake up to the team (as well as the girl). I think this mirrors experiences my own kid had when she left SPRI. A little research has shown that SPRI has done many things right from the GLPL format to the numerous National Championships from 15's to 18's. Their Collegiate placement is fantastic, from D1 through D3. Some may not like the man, but he does volleyball very well.
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Post by maɡˈnōlēə on Feb 12, 2019 7:32:21 GMT -5
I agree that they do volleyball right. I would go so far to correct your statement that "for everything wrong with that club" because it's not the club itself that's the issue. My kid, myself, we both really loved her experiences there and she regrets moving on somewhere else. There actually is a fair population of parents and kids that aren't fans of the intensity of it all (Sports Performance) and move on the next year only to be right back at SPRI the year after that. When she was there there seemed to be a trend where several girls left at 14's and were back at SPRI their 16's year. Off the top of my head I know three girls just in my girls age group that did that, that's just one year. The one mom mentioned to me that her daughter really missed the kind of training she was getting there (when she left was put on a 1's team at her new club, much like my own kid, hated that club and the cliqueness she experienced because the girls acted a certain way toward her, maybe because their team was pretty unchanged for several years and when she went in it was a culture shake up to the team (as well as the girl). I think this mirrors experiences my own kid had when she left SPRI. A little research has shown that SPRI has done many things right from the GLPL format to the numerous National Championships from 15's to 18's. Their Collegiate placement is fantastic, from D1 through D3. Some may not like the man, but he does volleyball very well. I do believe that that actually is part of the problem. He's a volleyball savant and those who have had trouble managing the business side or the volleyball side or the parent side or the athlete side or the coaching side or the processes side or all of it--well those having trouble may have taken issue with the successes cultivated. How can one person accomplish so much?! A shame but but it is how it is and frankly he did misstep at some point which has cost him dearly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 9:00:13 GMT -5
Thought maybe it needed it's own separate thread not entwined with SPRI drama.
Our 1st year playing in WCPL. Who are the "top" teams based on prior years?
Which is the best WCPL facility to play in? We played at 1st Alliance on Davey Rd once last year and I thought it was a dump. The tables were filthy at 7AM and I asked the concession staff for a wet towel to clean them. She gave it to me and shrugged and said, "Yeah, the athletes put their shoes on them at practice last night".
I thought this thread was about WCPL? Specifically to NOT discuss the other regional drama?
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Post by deohge on Feb 12, 2019 11:37:10 GMT -5
Thought maybe it needed it's own separate thread not entwined with SPRI drama.
Our 1st year playing in WCPL. Who are the "top" teams based on prior years?
Which is the best WCPL facility to play in? We played at 1st Alliance on Davey Rd once last year and I thought it was a dump. The tables were filthy at 7AM and I asked the concession staff for a wet towel to clean them. She gave it to me and shrugged and said, "Yeah, the athletes put their shoes on them at practice last night".
I thought this thread was about WCPL? Specifically to NOT discuss the other regional drama? It seems once again the WCPL has started to break down again even though they have adopted the GLPL format. There are just somethings you can't fix.
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Post by boh on Feb 12, 2019 12:19:33 GMT -5
I thought this thread was about WCPL? Specifically to NOT discuss the other regional drama? It seems once again the WCPL has started to break down again even though they have adopted the GLPL format. There are just somethings you can't fix. I am a little confused why 1 club (out of MANY hosting) not cleaning a table last year means that WCPL is broken. Level of play is solid in 17/18 Open. It'd be great to have a few more of the top teams from the area in WCPL, but the top bracket or two are just as solid as last years GLPL and that was without Sting being there last weekend.
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Post by deohge on Feb 12, 2019 12:44:48 GMT -5
It seems once again the WCPL has started to break down again even though they have adopted the GLPL format. There are just somethings you can't fix. I am a little confused why 1 club (out of MANY hosting) not cleaning a table last year means that WCPL is broken. Level of play is solid in 17/18 Open. It'd be great to have a few more of the top teams from the area in WCPL, but the top bracket or two are just as solid as last years GLPL and that was without Sting being there last weekend. It's more than one facility I'm hearing complaints about. The new CVL is get great reviews about both facilities and competition. The WCPL just seems to be a step down.
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Post by n00b on Feb 12, 2019 13:49:42 GMT -5
It seems once again the WCPL has started to break down again even though they have adopted the GLPL format. There are just somethings you can't fix. I am a little confused why 1 club (out of MANY hosting) not cleaning a table last year means that WCPL is broken. Level of play is solid in 17/18 Open. It'd be great to have a few more of the top teams from the area in WCPL, but the top bracket or two are just as solid as last years GLPL and that was without Sting being there last weekend. From an outsider's perspective, it seems like a huge negative that they don't allow teams from outside the Great Lakes region into the league. The Milwaukee and Northwest Indiana clubs would really add some depth to the league. Edit: I'm actually not sure if they aren't allowed or if those teams just decided to not make the switch.
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Post by stevehorn on Feb 12, 2019 14:09:40 GMT -5
I am a little confused why 1 club (out of MANY hosting) not cleaning a table last year means that WCPL is broken. Level of play is solid in 17/18 Open. It'd be great to have a few more of the top teams from the area in WCPL, but the top bracket or two are just as solid as last years GLPL and that was without Sting being there last weekend. From an outsider's perspective, it seems like a huge negative that they don't allow teams from outside the Great Lakes region into the league. The Milwaukee and Northwest Indiana clubs would really add some depth to the league. Edit: I'm actually not sure if they aren't allowed or if those teams just decided to not make the switch. If the results of the power league are used to determine some of the region's bids for the national tournament, then it could be restricted to teams in the region. I believe just about all (or maybe all) region bid tournaments around the country are restricted to teams in that region.
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Post by boh on Feb 12, 2019 14:16:56 GMT -5
It is not restricted to teams in the region. As I said in my post, Sting is in WCPL.
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Post by n00b on Feb 12, 2019 14:47:59 GMT -5
It is not restricted to teams in the region. As I said in my post, Sting is in WCPL. I see them listed in the standings, but none of their four registered teams have played a match yet...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 14:51:40 GMT -5
It is not restricted to teams in the region. As I said in my post, Sting is in WCPL. I see them listed in the standings, but none of their four registered teams have played a match yet... I was curious about that as well. also, not sure what region Iowa Rockets are in, but they most definitely have team/s in WCPL.
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Post by deohge on Feb 12, 2019 14:52:26 GMT -5
It is not restricted to teams in the region. As I said in my post, Sting is in WCPL. I see them listed in the standings, but none of their four registered teams have played a match yet... I was told that they were playing in the Badger region exclusively. Information maybe incorrect.
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Post by boh on Feb 12, 2019 15:14:19 GMT -5
It is not restricted to teams in the region. As I said in my post, Sting is in WCPL. I see them listed in the standings, but none of their four registered teams have played a match yet... They have played matches, but not after seeding was done. You can see how they did in seeding here... results.advancedeventsystems.com/event/PTAwMDAwMTYyNDg90/clubs/23039/standingsMy understanding is that they did not attend last weekend because they had a prior commitment? Either way, they definitely played the 1st weekend of WCPL as you can see from the AES link.
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