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Post by volleyguy on Jan 10, 2019 16:49:05 GMT -5
It's even worse that you came up with it all by yourself. She was a key player on a National Championship team. It's not a surprise that she won NPOY and I said nothing to suggest that she wasn't worthy in that particular year. Her impact on the setter position is a different matter altogether. Her sophomore season turned out to be her best one. She changed the game whether you like it or not. Coaches started looking for big, athletic players who could block the left side as well as set. They also began looking for setters that could score at will. Her sophomore season as I addressed in the previous post was her best . if she could have kept her head on straight she would have been lights out successful. The Cuban setters changed the setter position, not Cepero. And she was only a pale image of them. The idea that coaches started looking for tall athletic setters because of Cepero is simplistic and simply wrong.
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Post by bballnut90 on Jan 10, 2019 16:51:32 GMT -5
If I made a roster itd have: Plummer-no brainer pick at outside. 2x champion and 2x POY with a season left Foecke-2x MOP, 2x champion, lacks individual honors but balled out in a massive way in every semifinal/championship Ajanaku-POY candidate 2 years, very physical middle who won a title. Was huge in leading Stanford back to the semis after a drought. Washington-another POY candidate and likely a 4x 1st team all american if she didnt miss so many games as a freshman. Outstanding attacker. Hamson-I dont think she stacks up well with the likes of many outsides, but she was dominant as a RS attacker and led BYU to a title game appearance. Didnt include Blair Brown since she was only playing for 1 year (2010). Lauren Carlini-toss up for me between her and Hancock, but I think what she accomplished at Wisconsin was truly remarkable...the program went 5 straight years without a tournament appearance and she led an unheralded group to a title appearance where they put up a huge fight against a loaded Penn State team. Carlini was a standout every year even though she never made it back despite coming close (two 5 set losses and an injury as a soph) Hentz-best libero in the nation all 3 years IMO. Just a ridiculous digger and has 2 titles to her name. 2nd team: OH-Vansant, stud outside for Wash OH-Eckerman, another beast on the outside all 4 years MB-Rettke, statistically just incredible as a middle. Likely a 4x 1st Teamer. MB-Alhassan, immensely physical and a dominant force at Florida. Led team to first Final Four in 14 years. RS-Nwanebu, the 2 years when she was on were incredible. Arguably the weakest of the bunch though. S-Hancock, easily could be on 1st team L-Hagglund, incredible defender Noteworthy: S: Poulter SSS OH: Bricio Jupiter Danielson RJP RS: Bergsma Ariel Scott Lowe MB: Chiaka Adams L: JWO So you're only looking at the last 5-ish years? What would your team be? I only considered players who played 2 or more years between 2010 and 2018 which excludes players like Blair Brown, Ari Wilson, Carli Lloyd, Cassidy Lichtman and Alix Klineman. I also had less love for players who had only one standout season (Kelsey Robinson, Murrey, Kidder, Lowe, Bergsma, Plum) or played on teams that never made a deep tournament run (Murphy, Mann).
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Post by holidayhusker on Jan 10, 2019 16:51:37 GMT -5
She changed the game whether you like it or not. Coaches started looking for big, athletic players who could block the left side as well as set. They also began looking for setters that could score at will. Her sophomore season as I addressed in the previous post was her best . if she could have kept her head on straight she would have been lights out successful. The Cuban setters changed the setter position, not Cepero. And she was only a pale image of them. The idea that coaches started looking for tall athletic setters because of Cepero is simplistic and simply wrong. or maybe you are just ignorant about this in particular?
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 10, 2019 16:58:50 GMT -5
The Cuban setters changed the setter position, not Cepero. And she was only a pale image of them. The idea that coaches started looking for tall athletic setters because of Cepero is simplistic and simply wrong. or maybe you are just ignorant about this in particular? Well, you got me there. You will always win the ignorance battle.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Jan 10, 2019 17:04:50 GMT -5
So you're only looking at the last 5-ish years? What would your team be? I only considered players who played 2 or more years between 2010 and 2018 which excludes players like Blair Brown, Ari Wilson, Carli Lloyd, Cassidy Lichtman and Alix Klineman. I also had less love for players who had only one standout season (Kelsey Robinson, Murrey, Kidder, Lowe, Bergsma, Plum) or played on teams that never made a deep tournament run (Murphy, Mann). Robinson was a 2011 2nd team AA. She had more than one great season. She was SEC POY. Lowe was robbed in 2013. She was averging just under 5 kps hitting near .300. She didnt make AA cause ucla SUCKED that year. I dont disagree with your list, but those two had more than one breakout season.
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Post by bballnut90 on Jan 10, 2019 17:05:30 GMT -5
It's even worse that you came up with it all by yourself. She was a key player on a National Championship team. It's not a surprise that she won NPOY and I said nothing to suggest that she wasn't worthy in that particular year. Her impact on the setter position is a different matter altogether. Her sophomore season turned out to be her best one. She changed the game whether you like it or not. Coaches started looking for big, athletic players who could block the left side as well as set. They also began looking for setters that could score at will. Her sophomore season as I addressed in the previous post was her best . if she could have kept her head on straight she would have been lights out successful. Who are some of these players that followed in Cepero's footsteps as being a big physical setter with an aggressive offensive mentality?? The only ones that come to mind are Ashley Engle in 2009 and Glass at Penn State, but I hardly think coaches thought of Grecialy when they recruited these players. We didnt see a big influx of big athletic setters until much later on. Yes, she was unique with her size and blocking ability at the setter position but Misty May and Bonnie Bremner were both extremely offensive from the setter position, more than Cepero ever was (both hit .400+ and averaged 2+ kills per set) so you cant credit Cepero for the trend of setters becoming more aggressive. Very good player? Yes. Someone who redefined the setting position? Far from it.
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Post by holidayhusker on Jan 10, 2019 17:08:44 GMT -5
or maybe you are just ignorant about this in particular? Well, you got me there. You will always win the ignorance battle. You have held your own for years and I am pretty sure you won.
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Post by holidayhusker on Jan 10, 2019 17:09:47 GMT -5
She changed the game whether you like it or not. Coaches started looking for big, athletic players who could block the left side as well as set. They also began looking for setters that could score at will. Her sophomore season as I addressed in the previous post was her best . if she could have kept her head on straight she would have been lights out successful. Who are some of these players that followed in Cepero's footsteps as being a big physical setter with an aggressive offensive mentality?? The only ones that come to mind are Ashley Engle in 2009 and Glass at Penn State, but I hardly think coaches thought of Grecialy when they recruited these players. We didnt see a big influx of big athletic setters until much later on. Yes, she was unique with her size and blocking ability at the setter position but Misty May and Bonnie Bremner were both extremely offensive from the setter position, more than Cepero ever was (both hit .400+ and averaged 2+ kills per set) so you cant credit Cepero for the trend of setters becoming more aggressive. Very good player? Yes. Someone who redefined the setting position? Far from it. I don't agree balls.
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Post by bballnut90 on Jan 10, 2019 17:10:14 GMT -5
What would your team be? I only considered players who played 2 or more years between 2010 and 2018 which excludes players like Blair Brown, Ari Wilson, Carli Lloyd, Cassidy Lichtman and Alix Klineman. I also had less love for players who had only one standout season (Kelsey Robinson, Murrey, Kidder, Lowe, Bergsma, Plum) or played on teams that never made a deep tournament run (Murphy, Mann). Robinson was a 2011 2nd team AA. She had more than one great season. She was SEC POY. Lowe was robbed in 2013. She was averging just under 5 kps hitting near .300. She didnt make AA cause ucla SUCKED that year. I dont disagree with your list, but those two had more than one breakout season. Valid points, especially on Lowe. Thanks for bringing it up. Both had great moments but also fall into the lack of team success piece, unless you give Lowe credit for being on the bench the 2011 title. Lowe just didnt have the supporting cast needed her last two years and Robinson's crop of young teammates in 2013 werent good enough to get the job done. Both were great collegiate players.
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 10, 2019 17:14:37 GMT -5
Well, you got me there. You will always win the ignorance battle. You have held your own for years and I am pretty sure you won. See, you're so ignorant, you don't even realize when you've won.
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Post by vballfan17 on Jan 10, 2019 17:18:32 GMT -5
This would be my decade team (2010 - 2018):
First Team OH: Vansant - was a force for the Huskies and was NPOY and 2-time Pac-12 POY OH: Plummer - hard not to go with the 2-time defending NPOY RS: N Taylor - her serve and D ball were so fun to watch; was devastating to see her go down in the NCAA tourney (I realize she might not be the best, but seems like there hasn't been a dominant OPP lately and Lowe just seemed to peak late) MB: Washington - so dominant on the slide attack and superb blocker MB: Ajanaku - able to hit in front or behind; was so strong for the Cardinal S: Hancock - she just changed the game so much with her serving; even I'd be scared to pass against her L: Hentz - difficult to not pick Hentz in this scenario, although would love to her hand setting those second balls
Second Team OH: Foecke - steady passer & brutal attacker for the Big Red OH: McClendon or Klineman - leaders on their respective teams and were solid 6-rotation players RS: Lowe - feed the beast! MB: Rettke - still with 2 more years to go, but she is clearly the go-to for the Badgers MB: A. Wilson - hard to not include the 3-time 1st Team AA in this list (although only played 1 year in this decade) S: Gray or Hunter - hard to pick between the rest, so figured I'd at least pick a champion L: Hagglund - absolutely loved watching her play in the back row; she made it look effortless
Third Team OH: Bricio, Jupiter RS: Brown MB: R Adams, Alhassan S: Carlini, SSS L: JWO
HM OH: Eckerman, S Lee, Danielson, Webster, Cuttino RS: A Scott, Samedy, Murphy, Payne MB: Dixon, Wopat, Ogbogu S: Bugg, Poulter L: Lake
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Post by holidayhusker on Jan 10, 2019 17:23:26 GMT -5
You have held your own for years and I am pretty sure you won. See, you're so ignorant, you don't even realize when you've won. LOL...I have just been reading the articles back then sharing how Cepero was re-inventing the setter position. One was posted on USC's website but they are all ignorant I am sure compared to you. I am just so impressed that you have so much confidence in your own opinion.
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 10, 2019 17:28:46 GMT -5
See, you're so ignorant, you don't even realize when you've won. LOL...I have just been reading the articles back then sharing how Cepero was re-inventing the setter position. One was posted on USC's website but they are all ignorant I am sure compared to you. I am just so impressed that you have so much confidence in your own opinion. Poor thing. You keep searching for your confidence. It'll turn up somewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 18:05:12 GMT -5
Well, you got me there. You will always win the ignorance battle. You have held your own for years and I am pretty sure you won. Girls, girls, girls (and they - and you, sometimes - say that I'M combative? Make nice): Wasn't gonna post here; but, if thread title refers to NCAA - right NOW? - I'd give it to Foecke, hands-down. BUT, IFF a certain OH1; who earned NFOY in 2016; repeats NPOY again: being the current 2x Player of the Year? NO Precedent, just give it to her!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 18:24:25 GMT -5
See, you're so ignorant, you don't even realize when you've won. LOL...I have just been reading the articles back then sharing how Cepero was re-inventing the setter position. One was posted on USC's website but they are all ignorant I am sure compared to you. I am just so impressed that you have so much confidence in your own opinion. Was Cepero reinventing the setter position in NCAA women's volleyball? Or women's volleyball in general? Big difference.
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