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Post by tamz on May 20, 2019 11:48:26 GMT -5
Sponcil and KW? Seems the equal or possibly better than Hughes even now, with more upside. Hughes might be better at receiving serve, but only b/c Sponcil had very little opportunity to hone that skill at UCLA where nobody ever served her. KW would be good training for Sponcil before pairing with Klineman for 2024 or 2028. Someone commented above (or in another thread, can't remember) that Sponcil hasn't proven she can side out against elite opponents. That wasn't the case in her first tournament with Fendrick, where she was playing instinctively and digging and siding out to remind me of Taylor Crabb. if she has gone backward a little, and I don't know if that is the case, that is the normal learning rookie curve of going from instinctive to mechanical (for learning purposes), before coming out the other side with a better instinctive. And from what I've seen of Claes, any good finishes on FIVB would be owing more to Sponcil than Claes. I think that was me. I would say both the reason you gave and teams being able to scout her account for her struggles to side out, but I would also say she has barely played any elite opponents (at least FIVB elite) On the FIVB they did well against one elite team (Sude/Laborer) and they did very, very well in that match. Otherwise, including the FIVB, they lost to every good US team they played and when Sarah played the US' elite teams she lost in 2 in every match. (hard to count the matches with Cannon though) I think Claes/Sponcil's success is probably more like 1/3 Claes, 1/3 Sponcil, and 1/3 very good draws but I agree with you that Kelly is not carrying anyone to top international finishes. Funny how Claes/Hochevar was able to defeat MHP/SP a couple times last season while other USA teams struggled against the Canadians.
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Post by guest2 on May 20, 2019 11:51:15 GMT -5
July 17th 2018, they won 600pts by winning a 3 star in China, when that clears, they are going to have to use a tournament much lower. But, until KWJ and Brooke have a Gold or Silver, they'll be really close using 5ths and 7ths. Day/Flint are already behind Walsh/Sweat in Entry Points. You can filter the entry pionts by country here: 12ndr.at/entry-ranking-womenFurthermore Stockman/Larsen really have to watch out. They will lose their best result in their entry list meaning that they would drop below 1800 entry points. They have to deliver in their next tournament or they'll have to play CQ. The 3 MD teams for USA seem to be pretty much set in stone for the foreseeable future: Klineman/Ross, Hughes/Summer and Klineman/Ross. All of them have very good entry results and Walsh/Sweat will have a hard time overtaking them with 4* tournaments. Thanks ATP, I think you mean to have Claes/Sponcil in there as the third
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Post by tamz on May 20, 2019 11:51:51 GMT -5
I have a question that I keep forgetting to ask. For entry points it’s the best 4 of 6 events, but if a team loses in CQ, does that count towards the last 6 events??
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Post by johnbar on May 20, 2019 11:54:35 GMT -5
The 3 MD teams for USA seem to be pretty much set in stone for the foreseeable future: Klineman/Ross, Hughes/Summer and Klineman/Ross. All of them have very good entry results and Walsh/Sweat will have a hard time overtaking them with 4* tournaments. Klineman/Ross get two entries?
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Post by wang pu on May 20, 2019 15:48:30 GMT -5
How many more tourneys do Day/Flint have before KWJ/Sweat pass them (assuming KWJ/Sweat keeping making the Qualifier)? They should be banned from international competition after that performance last week I think the Emily Day out plays her abilities/expectations, but agree. Day/Flint is in a losing race to be the #3 ranked team in the USA. They should focus on AVP and make lots of money (assuming they would win, which we all saw what happened this past weekend.....).
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Post by goldengirlsx3 on May 20, 2019 17:58:31 GMT -5
They should be banned from international competition after that performance last week I think the Emily Day out plays her abilities/expectations, but agree. Day/Flint is in a losing race to be the #3 ranked team in the USA. They should focus on AVP and make lots of money (assuming they would win, which we all saw what happened this past weekend.....). I have no idea what is wrong with this team. Hopefully they can rebound. They are better than what they showed in Austin.
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Post by ajm on May 20, 2019 21:18:38 GMT -5
I think the Emily Day out plays her abilities/expectations, but agree. Day/Flint is in a losing race to be the #3 ranked team in the USA. They should focus on AVP and make lots of money (assuming they would win, which we all saw what happened this past weekend.....). I have no idea what is wrong with this team. Hopefully they can rebound. They are better than what they showed in Austin. Probably just one bad event. They finished 3rd in Huntington and almost beat MHP/Pavan. Before that was a silver in Sydney when they beat two top German teams. Guess we’ll see how China goes against a pretty strong field.
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Post by acrossthepond on May 21, 2019 1:51:04 GMT -5
The 3 MD teams for USA seem to be pretty much set in stone for the foreseeable future: Klineman/Ross, Hughes/Summer and Klineman/Ross. All of them have very good entry results and Walsh/Sweat will have a hard time overtaking them with 4* tournaments. Klineman/Ross get two entries? Guest2 was right. Of course I meant Sponcil/Claes ;-)
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Post by JB Southpaw on May 21, 2019 7:17:50 GMT -5
I have no idea what is wrong with this team. Hopefully they can rebound. They are better than what they showed in Austin. Probably just one bad event. They finished 3rd in Huntington and almost beat MHP/Pavan. Before that was a silver in Sydney when they beat two top German teams. Guess we’ll see how China goes against a pretty strong field. I believe they were leaving TX to fly to China, so I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and say they just overlooked this tournament.
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Post by JB Southpaw on May 28, 2019 7:51:13 GMT -5
I added 2 new columns, tracking last weeks AVG, and the change to AVG, basically to show a trend. As you will see, KWJ/Sweat are in the lead, but are 4th in AVG, but are trending upwards, raising their avg 45 points with the win. They are 4 tournaments away from being the winners in the club house. If they can get there this year, they can pick and choose their tournaments next year and manage their health. 3 teams hurt their averages.
as of May 27, 2019
Team - Nb. - Points - AVG - AVG Last week - AVG change Walsh Jennings/Sweat - 8 - 3,900 - 488 - 443 - 45 Klineman/Ross - 5 - 3,240 - 648 - 648 - 0 Day/Flint - 6 - 2,500 - 417 - 436 - (19) Hughes/Summer - 5 - 2,400 - 480 - 500 - (20) Sponcil/Claes - 4 - 2,080 - 520 - 533 - (13) Larsen/Stockman - 5 - 2,000 - 400 - 400 - 0 Howard/Reeves - 5 - 1,400 - 280 - 280 - 0
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Post by dunninla3 on May 28, 2019 12:26:08 GMT -5
so.... thinking out loud here.
At this point in time, based on results of the past few months, our two Olympic teams would be ATeam and KWJ/BS.
if you're Claes/Sponcil or 2S, how much FIVB do you play vs. AVP? Do the sponsors have any say in it?
It seems to me you only HAVE play enough FIVB to secure the #3 US spot, and that's to secure the Olympic berth in the event the ATeam of KWJ/BS are out by injury.
Given you're a team playing for the Olympic back-up spot, how much grind and travel do you go though for a 30% or 50% or whatever the chance is of being an injury replacement?
And if you're an also ran... that is Day/Flint or Larsen/Stockman, I guess the same question. If you're not chasing FIVB Olympic qualifying points any more, how much FIVB vs. AVP?
And if the Olympics are not in the future, does anyone retire b/c that's one of the main reasons they're still playing?
And lastly, how do the sponsors of 2S react given the fact that their sponsored athletes aren;t likely to be an Olympic team?
Man, the unexpected resurgence of KWJ has really turned over the apple cart.
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Post by JB Southpaw on May 28, 2019 12:30:02 GMT -5
so.... thinking out loud here. At this point in time, based on results of the past few months, our two Olympic teams would be ATeam and KWJ/BS. if you're Claes/Sponcil, how much FIVB do you play vs. AVP? It seems to me you only HAVE play enough FIVB to secure the #3 US spot, and that's to secure the Olympic berth in the event the ATeam of KWJ/BS are out by injury. But maybe they enjoy FIVB vs. AVP? If they hold on to the Auto MD bid, they play FIVB. They'll just make more money. It's too early for them not to chase Olympics, They are averaging the 2nd best points per tournament. They do need to get on track ASAP though. Only so many 4* and higher tournaments left.
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Post by dunninla3 on May 28, 2019 12:33:01 GMT -5
sorry, I edited my post now with many more questions.
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Post by tamz on May 28, 2019 12:39:30 GMT -5
I’m amazed how quickly this turned around with Kerri and Brooke winning in China. All of a sudden they’re almost in the driver’s seat.
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Post by haze on May 28, 2019 12:44:08 GMT -5
Ross/Klineman imo are going to be a shoo in. Hughes and Summer are right there with KWJ and Brooke but they need to start having better finishes in the 4+ stars.
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