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Post by ajm on Jan 23, 2019 15:07:44 GMT -5
I think Duncan is his best bet and I think Avery is better than field. At least the next year or 2 he is. When did Rosie become someone whose best options are not even 100% Main Draw players? The guy has made an AVP final for 15 years in a row or some obscene figure and his best option is Troy Field or Duncan Budinger? Why isn't it Marciniak? Piotr would rather play with Chase than Sean? If so he doesnt have any sense. Ratledge wouldn't see Sean as an upgrade? I could see him sticking with Rafu due to their success but Sean is better than him. Casebeer and Drost may be about international play but both of them would get a significant upgrade domestically if they went to Sean Finally if Bomgren does decided to dump his brother, unlikely, Sean is probably still better than Chaim. If I were Sean and my options came down to Field and Duncan, I might consider retiring. Of course its his own fault for not being willing to travel to events. Has Rosie really said he won’t travel? He played 5 FIVB overseas events last year.
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Post by guest2 on Jan 23, 2019 15:19:18 GMT -5
When did Rosie become someone whose best options are not even 100% Main Draw players? The guy has made an AVP final for 15 years in a row or some obscene figure and his best option is Troy Field or Duncan Budinger? Why isn't it Marciniak? Piotr would rather play with Chase than Sean? If so he doesnt have any sense. Ratledge wouldn't see Sean as an upgrade? I could see him sticking with Rafu due to their success but Sean is better than him. Casebeer and Drost may be about international play but both of them would get a significant upgrade domestically if they went to Sean Finally if Bomgren does decided to dump his brother, unlikely, Sean is probably still better than Chaim. If I were Sean and my options came down to Field and Duncan, I might consider retiring. Of course its his own fault for not being willing to travel to events. Has Rosie really said he won’t travel? He played 5 FIVB overseas events last year. Ive heard other guys say it about him - Trevor for example - but never him
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Post by 405LAX on Jan 23, 2019 16:21:37 GMT -5
Has Rosie really said he won’t travel? He played 5 FIVB overseas events last year. Ive heard other guys say it about him - Trevor for example - but never him Rosie is quoted after his breakup with Trevor the reason they broke up was Rosie didn't want to travel overseas. Said it was a very expensive hobby if I recall correctly. Now he did go with Chase last year on numerous overseas excursions but let's not kid ourselves, Chase and his millions likely footed entire bill to get some FIVB points/experience. Unique proposition and one Rosie would be silly to turn down, free travel and not having to play with Adam Roberts to get it? Sold.
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Post by ajm on Jan 23, 2019 19:58:43 GMT -5
Ive heard other guys say it about him - Trevor for example - but never him Rosie is quoted after his breakup with Trevor the reason they broke up was Rosie didn't want to travel overseas. Said it was a very expensive hobby if I recall correctly. Now he did go with Chase last year on numerous overseas excursions but let's not kid ourselves, Chase and his millions likely footed entire bill to get some FIVB points/experience. Unique proposition and one Rosie would be silly to turn down, free travel and not having to play with Adam Roberts to get it? Sold. You may be right but he’s played about the same number of FIVBs every year since Phil broke up with him. On the other hand, there are plenty of guys worse than Rosie playing FIVBs and losing money doing so who have no chance at the Olympics. So there’s nothing wrong with him being a bit more selective at the end of his career. I agree that he should be able to command a better partner even if it’s just for the domestic events.
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Post by tamz on Jan 23, 2019 21:39:39 GMT -5
Rosie and Trevor were really not bad domestically. It’s just internationally that they didn’t hit it off.
But with Budinger, they weren’t good domestically or internationally, with the exception of beating Evandro in straight sets in Gstaad. But then they lost the next two matches so they went 1-2.
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Post by keeweekid on Jan 23, 2019 22:58:43 GMT -5
I agree, for 2019, I would take Rafu over Rosie. I thought Rafu was playing at a very high level last year, defense was on point and was siding out nicely.
Rosie played well but I felt he slowed down a bit 1/2 way through the season. Not sure if it was back issues or if the mental grind of playing with a newbie that is making newbie mistakes.
My concern with Rosie now is in a 3-4 day tournament, how will his body hold up on Day 3 and 4. Day 3 Rosie seems a fair bit of a drop off than Day 1 Rosie.
Still blown away that USA's top players are 40+. Either a tribute to how good they are and the kind of shape they have kept themselves in and/or how far US VB has fallen as the under 30 yr. old players... ugh. After 2020 Olympics, AVP volleyball could get...interesting. If you look at the top 8 seeds for 2018 Manhattan, every single one of the Top 8 seeded teams had at least one member that was 38 years of age or older.
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Post by tamz on Jan 23, 2019 23:36:28 GMT -5
This board is boring me to tears, let's start a list of new teams for 2019, even if we've kinda done this, I'll start Casebeer/Zaun Piotr/Frish The last off-season didn’t feel this long...
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Post by bombsaway on Jan 23, 2019 23:37:13 GMT -5
The point system doesn't help. Players can linger longer than they might otherwise based on passed points holding them automatically in the MD but yea the generation below the current upper 30s/lower40s probably was washed out by the 2010..2011..2012 collapse and only now is it starting to pick up steam due in large to the college game on the women's side at least
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Post by Semp12 on Jan 24, 2019 11:26:56 GMT -5
Still blown away that USA's top players are 40+. Either a tribute to how good they are and the kind of shape they have kept themselves in and/or how far US VB has fallen as the under 30 yr. old players... ugh. After 2020 Olympics, AVP volleyball could get...interesting. If you look at the top 8 seeds for 2018 Manhattan, every single one of the Top 8 seeded teams had at least one member that was 38 years of age or older. Probably a mixture of both. Phil goes down as an all time great (and has the size to still be at a super high level). Hyden goes down as one of the most underrated players of all time. Gibb is an all time great if he didn't overlap with Phil basically his entire career. Nick is in ridiculous shape and has been siding out for soooo many years. The guys in their lower 30's are also the one's who were just getting out of college around the time the AVP was at its worst, so a tough sell to forget the real world and try and play beach full-time.
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Post by 405LAX on Jan 24, 2019 11:32:47 GMT -5
People forget another key to Hyden's success is the fact he's roughly 6'5" defender. There's no way he's still going if he's Frish's size, working his ass off to simply get high enough to clear the net.
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Post by timvb17 on Jan 24, 2019 13:38:55 GMT -5
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Post by guest2 on Jan 24, 2019 14:02:15 GMT -5
Still blown away that USA's top players are 40+. Either a tribute to how good they are and the kind of shape they have kept themselves in and/or how far US VB has fallen as the under 30 yr. old players... ugh. After 2020 Olympics, AVP volleyball could get...interesting. If you look at the top 8 seeds for 2018 Manhattan, every single one of the Top 8 seeded teams had at least one member that was 38 years of age or older. Probably a mixture of both. Phil goes down as an all time great (and has the size to still be at a super high level). Hyden goes down as one of the most underrated players of all time. Gibb is an all time great if he didn't overlap with Phil basically his entire career. Nick is in ridiculous shape and has been siding out for soooo many years. The guys in their lower 30's are also the one's who were just getting out of college around the time the AVP was at its worst, so a tough sell to forget the real world and try and play beach full-time. Other than Phil and maybe Hyden, its definitely that there just arent good young players. Take a look at Jake Gibb's 2012, when he was he second best US big and was in the semis like 8 or 9 times and the finals 4 or 5 and then look at this year, when he was still the second best US big and finished better than 9th twice. The US is still running the same players out there but they aren't very good anymore. Other than Phil, no US team is close to the top 10 right now
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Post by keeweekid on Jan 24, 2019 22:41:59 GMT -5
Here is a thought for people to debate. I wonder if also that this current batch of Phil, Nick, Rosie, Hyden and the other 35+ year olds (regardless of how good they are) are the players that were 7-15 years old when the AVP was at it's zenith with Kiraly, Stolklos...and being on TV. Thus, when they were young, they saw VB on TV, saw the crowds....and this may have led to more young impressionable boys to choose VB as a sport. Since that era, VB has fallen off majorly, mainstream TV exposure is gone and thus when the golden age of the AVP disappeared/went downhill, the result was what we are about to see... a serious talent gap in the under 30 crowd for the men. Over the past 10-15 years, the impressionable 7-12 year old boy is not seeing VB on TV, no major personalities (well patterson)...thus, these young boys are probably more often than not choosing sports they "see" to play ala basketball.
Conversely, the woman's game is exploding and I wonder how much of that is a result of the Misty/Kerry Olympics run over the years thus making VB a possible attractive/cool sport for the aged 7-12 year old who watched Misty/Kerry win Olympic gold.
Guessing the above coupled with the lack of $$$ and the lack of events does not make VB an attractive choice.
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Post by COVAlove on Jan 25, 2019 1:10:04 GMT -5
Super shocked that Rosie didn’t pick up Casebeer as they had pretty good results with a short time together 2 years back. Honestly at this point I think Field is better for Rosie than anyone else because at least you get a physically gifted guy who is on his way up while Rosie is on his way down. Duncan is just a complete “I’m just going to show up and go through the motions” pick. Rosie wants to win but I think he also needs untapped potential from his partner to keep him fueled.
Loomis will play with Brunstlng because that’s the only guy that seems to be content playing with Ty. This is a head scratcher for me because I love Loomis and his vibe and game should be perfect for new young talent. I still think Ty is a better player than someone like Frish, but maybe he’s looked at as a loaner due to age. Sad because Ty is still plenty explosive.
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Post by 405LAX on Jan 25, 2019 15:34:06 GMT -5
Super shocked that Rosie didn’t pick up Casebeer as they had pretty good results with a short time together 2 years back. Honestly at this point I think Field is better for Rosie than anyone else because at least you get a physically gifted guy who is on his way up while Rosie is on his way down. Duncan is just a complete “I’m just going to show up and go through the motions” pick. Rosie wants to win but I think he also needs untapped potential from his partner to keep him fueled. Loomis will play with Brunstlng because that’s the only guy that seems to be content playing with Ty. This is a head scratcher for me because I love Loomis and his vibe and game should be perfect for new young talent. I still think Ty is a better player than someone like Frish, but maybe he’s looked at as a loaner due to age. Sad because Ty is still plenty explosive. Totally agree on Loomis, he's still very dangerous player with solid defender size, can split block with Rosie domestically no problem. Brunsting is slightly above stiff status, average athlete, points play only.
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