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Post by ajm on Feb 9, 2019 16:30:26 GMT -5
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Post by guest2 on Feb 9, 2019 16:49:06 GMT -5
I wish they had given the more exact quote where Mays says an FIVB event takes millions to execute. Would love to know the exact figure for a 4 star
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Post by goldengirlsx3 on Feb 9, 2019 16:49:28 GMT -5
Wow. Not only were p1440 in talks to co partner an event or two with the beach major series. Then the beach major series cancelled their event. It’s hard to work with the FIVB by the sounds.
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Post by goldengirlsx3 on Feb 9, 2019 17:04:12 GMT -5
I have always believed from the beginning that for this sport to be a serious contender in the world of sports in the USA , it had to be a Paid admittance model, which they tried in San Jose and it failed.
We talk about the AVP having a growth plan under Donald Sun and the 7 or 8 tourneys a year they run. No one talks about the losses he takes year after year. When does he say enough is enough. I’m not funding this league any longer.
I do give Kerri a lot of credit for attempting to grow this game. I just appears like what many of you have said, there’s not enough sponsors to go around. Glad I was able to go to one. It was fun. I had no problem paying to attend a tournament of a sport I love. Many people won’t pay. I’ll be interested to see the landscape of beach volleyball in the USA as well as the world after the 2020 Olympics.
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Post by ajm on Feb 9, 2019 18:55:38 GMT -5
One thing that struck me from this article is the reported TV viewership numbers. The San Jose event had 496,000 viewers on ABC, while Las Vegas had only 87,000 viewers on ESPN2 in the same Sunday afternoon time slot three weeks later. That seems like a pretty huge drop, even accounting for the switch from an over-the-air network to cable. I'd love to know what numbers the AVP typically gets on NBC/NBCSN.
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Post by johnbar on Feb 9, 2019 18:57:49 GMT -5
I have always believed from the beginning that for this sport to be a serious contender in the world of sports in the USA , it had to be a Paid admittance model, which they tried in San Jose and it failed. San Jose failed for a lot of reasons, the admittance price was just part of the problem. (1) Poor choice of venue. (2) Suboptimal schedule. (3) High price of admission, justifiable only by the evening concerts.
I assume it was chosen only because it was Kerri's home town (so they were sure to get local press coverage), and that was the best location they could find.
I think it should be paid admittance, at least on Saturdays and Sundays. But it has to be low enough that it doesn't scare casual fans and random walk-ups away. Like maybe $10 for general admission, and then $20 or $30 for reserved seats, and whatever you can get away with for premium seating. The whole volleyball plus "name" concert concept just does not make sense to me. The audience overlap is too small. Having live music at a tournament could be great, but it can't be one of the major costs.
That said, it's not clear to me that the gate receipts are ever going to be enough to be a major revenue source.
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Post by goldengirlsx3 on Feb 9, 2019 19:34:07 GMT -5
Again, I paid 100.00 for full weekend VIP plus traveling expenses plus hotel for Vegas. I thought it was well worth it. Not sure why the attendance was so low there except the fact that in Vegas, there is so much is going on. Maybe didn’t market the event enough? Don’t know, but i am sure it was disappointing not to bring in the numbers for a FIVB 4 star event.
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Post by johnbar on Feb 9, 2019 19:59:41 GMT -5
Again, I paid 100.00 for full weekend VIP plus traveling expenses plus hotel for Vegas. I thought it was well worth it. Not sure why the attendance was so low there except the fact that in Vegas, there is so much is going on. Maybe didn’t market the event enough? Don’t know, but i am sure it was disappointing not to bring in the numbers for a FIVB 4 star event. $100 admission for an entire four-star FIVB is not bad. I was really talking about admission per day to a typical AVP when I was suggesting $10. I did not attend Las Vegas. The field for San Jose was weak.
Not sure Las Vegas is the right locale for such an event either. To draw a crowd, you want SoCal, Florida, or one of the other proven spots (e.g., Chicago) at the right time of the year.
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Post by volleyballjim on Feb 9, 2019 20:01:34 GMT -5
Look at the AVP's model, same location (preferably near/on a beach) and build the growth year after year. Am I bummed SF is dropped, sure; is it a good business decision, probably. The AVP is getting larger and larger each year and don't think for a minute we won't be paying soon for the Sunday events, as we should AND more importantly WILL. p1440 San Jose just didn't have walking traffic ANYWHERE nearby, the "pay to watch" was bad timing, especially as Johnbar said for "day 1". Did I get my $40 Early Bird moneys worth: YOU BET, saw some of the most fun matches in the WORLD, but, am I an "average fan"? Hardly...Anyway, hope all boats rise in high tide, but a fractured marketing scheme by ALL is not the "menu" corporate America is looking for to "hitch their wagon to"...
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Post by wang pu on Feb 10, 2019 13:49:58 GMT -5
This shows that sometimes (often, really), the best athletes do not make the best coaches or business people in their sport.
Genuinely curious, the hold out over signing the AVP contract was in regards to other domestic tours. What other tours are available with significant prize money?
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Post by hustleslowly on Feb 10, 2019 14:33:03 GMT -5
This shows that sometimes (often, really), the best athletes do not make the best coaches or business people in their sport. Genuinely curious, the hold out over signing the AVP contract was in regards to other domestic tours. What other tours are available with significant prize money? I believe the NVL was still around, so kind of. |
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Post by ajm on Feb 10, 2019 14:43:14 GMT -5
This shows that sometimes (often, really), the best athletes do not make the best coaches or business people in their sport. Genuinely curious, the hold out over signing the AVP contract was in regards to other domestic tours. What other tours are available with significant prize money? I believe the NVL was still around, so kind of. I found this article from April 2017 describing how the NVL was partnering with WSOBV to raise its prize money while the AVP players were deciding whether to accept Donald Sun’s contract. volleyballmag.com/nvl-wsobv/ |
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Post by beachking on Feb 10, 2019 17:09:20 GMT -5
I’m assuming some portion of P1440 is still running. Travis is churning out articles on their website, I’m sure he’s getting paid. They have these developmental teams, practices and coaches, I’m sure they’re getting paid. Who’s funding that? That seams like a $$ drain with no revenue coming in.
I wish they asked me a year ago when they launched, or they could have read my posts. $40 per day per person for a volleyball tournament regardless of who is playing is laughable. A monthly membership fee to access their wellness website content is an even worse idea.
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Post by volleyballjim on Feb 10, 2019 17:17:09 GMT -5
I wouldn't discount the potential "model" p1440 has alluded to. Forget the tourneys, attendance, etc., owning some viable email ids (there, the number matters) and getting members to opt into stuff could be a HUGE cash cow. Silicon Valley is built around "click throughs", so I wouldn't discount the people they can reach/sell, etc. If the AVP didn't have such a limited line of products overpriced for the "general market", how much could they be selling? Regardless, there's money in them thar hills and p1440 may be exploiting it (Think NCAA, club etc.)...
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Post by newenglander on Feb 13, 2019 11:13:17 GMT -5
In the end somebody has to sell something and I don't see what that is. The beach volleyball players over the last 25 years have seemed to have the approach of "I'm a good volleyball player, pay me" and "the AVP is making too much money for them not to pay me more". I've enjoyed the AVP and always liked watching (on TV and in person) but the eyeballs aren't there for the sponsors. It's not that they hate volleyball or don't want to be associated with that lifestyle, it's that the fans aren't spending the money to make it worth sponsoring.
There needs to be some admission charged (at least to the center court area). Look at a girls juniors volleyball tournament. They get these parents to pay $30+ per person (plus parking) for the weekend to go watch their own kids play (and they pay big $ to have their kids play too). They sit in a crappy loud convention center and eat terrible and wildly overpriced food.
If I have point (I rarely do, that's part of my charm), it's perhaps you run juniors/pro on the same day and location. The kids parents come and willingly throw money at you for entry fee, spectator entry and t-shirts. The hard part is controlling access (and it always is on the beach). The kids can go watch the pros on their matches off or after getting eliminated and then buy even more stuff... and it's at the beach!
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