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Post by stevehorn on Oct 20, 2019 13:40:40 GMT -5
Not sure TCU has the systems or training to win the Big12. Lots of talent the last 3-4 years but has underperformed. Agree that a healthy McCall makes a huge difference in the potential success, but there seems to be a gap between personnel and philosophy to be able to consistently beat Texas, Baylor, Iowa State, and Oklahoma. For sure could finish top 4, but winning the Big 12 is a bit of a stretch considering. I do hope McCall gets back to form because she is a fun player to watch and good for the league. I think there is a disconnect between talent (which TCU has) and the role of injuries and age plays into this. It seems like Every top recruit from TCU through McCall has had serious injury issues. Right now - they have serious talent that is playing that are either Sophomores or Freshman (particularly their current Freshman class). If a couple of them can develop into AA level play (like the path McCall showed early last year) - they will be very good with all these other pieces. In two years (maybe next year) they could literally be like Baylor this year. I think you are overestimating TCU, at least in the short term. Baylor has had two good seasons prior to this year. TCU realistically has been moving in the opposite direction. I think they need to put up at least one good season before you start talking about the possibility of being a national power.
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Post by bluepenquin on Oct 21, 2019 7:29:45 GMT -5
I think there is a disconnect between talent (which TCU has) and the role of injuries and age plays into this. It seems like Every top recruit from TCU through McCall has had serious injury issues. Right now - they have serious talent that is playing that are either Sophomores or Freshman (particularly their current Freshman class). If a couple of them can develop into AA level play (like the path McCall showed early last year) - they will be very good with all these other pieces. In two years (maybe next year) they could literally be like Baylor this year. I think you are overestimating TCU, at least in the short term. Baylor has had two good seasons prior to this year. TCU realistically has been moving in the opposite direction. I think they need to put up at least one good season before you start talking about the possibility of being a national power. I agree - I have placed a bunch of what-if's into this. Baylor has had results - TCU hasn't. However: 1) TCU had Staiger and Philo, while TCU's version of these players were medically retired pretty much before their careers started. Baylor had some significant upper class support before their wave - TCU didn't as much. 2) Pressley has been mostly healthy, McCall has mostly been hurt. Maybe a healthy McCall isn't in Pressley's league - but Pressley and McCall are the keys. They need to be great. 3) Baylor's wave is two years ahead of TCU. I got a chance to watch TCU this weekend and Baylor a couple weeks before. I was impressed with Nalls - she looks similar to Milana in that she is 6-2 playing 6 rotations as a freshman and looks like a player that can terminate. Clark looks very good - it is unclear whether she will end up being a MB or RS. She is not close to Stafford now - but she looks good and should improve her stats (and look more impressive) as the team gets better. Nichols looks like Lockin. And TCU still has Adams and Manyang. I am assuming that McCall is as good as Pressley and the team can be healthy for a change (huge if).
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Post by eotexas5 on Oct 21, 2019 9:08:22 GMT -5
Or get healthy and lead this team to a Big 12 title in either of the next two seasons. McCall played the front row today - and was very rusty. But watching this team - they have the potential to win the Big 12 in the coming years. Nails, Clark, and Adams look good and have a lot of potential. Add Nichols and Manyang and this team has some real potential among their Sophomores and Freshman (along with McCall). It starts with getting McCall healthy. Not sure TCU has the systems or training to win the Big12. Lots of talent the last 3-4 years but has underperformed. Agree that a healthy McCall makes a huge difference in the potential success, but there seems to be a gap between personnel and philosophy to be able to consistently beat Texas, Baylor, Iowa State, and Oklahoma. For sure could finish top 4, but winning the Big 12 is a bit of a stretch considering. I do hope McCall gets back to form because she is a fun player to watch and good for the league. Agree with this. I don't think TCU volleyball is built to win the Big 12. They would have to have lots of recruiting wins against Texas, Baylor, Texas A&M, Kansas, and OU. I know they have a pretty good TAV pipeline and can still build some competitive, tournament-level teams going forward. Would love to see them get out of the high school gym they play in.
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Post by stevehorn on Oct 21, 2019 10:56:41 GMT -5
I think you are overestimating TCU, at least in the short term. Baylor has had two good seasons prior to this year. TCU realistically has been moving in the opposite direction. I think they need to put up at least one good season before you start talking about the possibility of being a national power. I agree - I have placed a bunch of what-if's into this. Baylor has had results - TCU hasn't. However: 1) TCU had Staiger and Philo, while TCU's version of these players were medically retired pretty much before their careers started. Baylor had some significant upper class support before their wave - TCU didn't as much. 2) Pressley has been mostly healthy, McCall has mostly been hurt. Maybe a healthy McCall isn't in Pressley's league - but Pressley and McCall are the keys. They need to be great. 3) Baylor's wave is two years ahead of TCU. I got a chance to watch TCU this weekend and Baylor a couple weeks before. I was impressed with Nalls - she looks similar to Milana in that she is 6-2 playing 6 rotations as a freshman and looks like a player that can terminate. Clark looks very good - it is unclear whether she will end up being a MB or RS. She is not close to Stafford now - but she looks good and should improve her stats (and look more impressive) as the team gets better. Nichols looks like Lockin. And TCU still has Adams and Manyang. I am assuming that McCall is as good as Pressley and the team can be healthy for a change (huge if). I'll wait until TCU wins 10 or 11 games in conference before I start discussing them as a championship contender. I have suspicion that TCU has been able to get some of these recruits because others shied away from them due to injuries. For instance, Buckingham changed her commitment from Texas to TCU after her second knee injury.
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Post by hornfanaustin on Oct 21, 2019 12:59:43 GMT -5
I'll wait until TCU wins 10 or 11 games in conference before I start discussing them as a championship contender. I have suspicion that TCU has been able to get some of these recruits because others shied away from them due to injuries. For instance, Buckingham changed her commitment from Texas to TCU after her second knee injury. Ummm, this makes it sound like it was Buckingham's decision.
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Post by stevehorn on Oct 21, 2019 15:17:13 GMT -5
I'll wait until TCU wins 10 or 11 games in conference before I start discussing them as a championship contender. I have suspicion that TCU has been able to get some of these recruits because others shied away from them due to injuries. For instance, Buckingham changed her commitment from Texas to TCU after her second knee injury. Ummm, this makes it sound like it was Buckingham's decision.
Do you know that it wasn't?
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Post by volleylover26 on Oct 21, 2019 16:42:16 GMT -5
Watched the Baylor v. TTU match and I can't help but compare that to the BYU v. USD match I watched. There was a big difference in overall talent, athleticism, speed, and power between those teams. Baylor had their moments, but were inconsistent. TTU is an anomaly having 6 wins in league with the talent they have? BYU and USD were two great teams going at it and fun to watch ( Frohling and Newsome are a new breed of player. ) Is the Big12 a sinking ship? I just don't get the difference in quality of play that I witnessed. I have always enjoyed watching tough Big12 matches that were exciting and a display of athleticism, but kind of discouraged recently. It's definitely Texas and Baylor and 'the other 7 teams' this year. After Texas and Baylor it's mostly just various versions of average IMO. Any night one of the other 7 might have a great night or look like a high school team. They'll just beat up on each other. TTU will say how much better they are this year because they have more wins, but IMO only because several teams dropped to 'average' to be on TTUs level. It is disappointing...definitely more entertaining to see higher level competition from other than Texas and Baylor.
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Post by mln59 on Oct 23, 2019 6:13:55 GMT -5
2 matches today:
kansas at kstate, 6pm on espnU baylor at Texas, 7pm on lhn
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Post by redcard on Oct 23, 2019 21:00:25 GMT -5
Texas 3 Baylor 0 K ST 3 KS 2
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Post by gocatsvb on Oct 23, 2019 21:21:24 GMT -5
Nice comeback and win by a young K State team.
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Post by volleycoachiq on Oct 24, 2019 6:50:30 GMT -5
In all my years if watching Baylor volleyball, I’ve never seen them play as bad as they did against Texas. Even when Baylor was a bottom feeder in the Big12, they still had more of a shot than this past game. Blocking, hitting, passing, and setting all horrible. I think the pressure really got to them, which is sad as a fan because I really wanted it for them.
Definitely think this is what the Bears needed to prepare for a deep tournament run. Totally think they have time to bounce back and challenge Texas in Waco.
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Post by mln59 on Oct 24, 2019 8:10:02 GMT -5
west virginia at tcu, tonight at 7. not sure if it will be on the tv or streamed
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Post by redcard on Oct 24, 2019 9:17:18 GMT -5
west virginia at tcu, tonight at 7. not sure if it will be on the tv or streamed It appears TCU will only have audio broadcast??
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Post by cyclonepower on Oct 24, 2019 14:41:28 GMT -5
If I had time to be here yesterday, I would have said regarding Baylor-Texas that while Baylor has been getting all the fan fare and love, Texas has quietly been playing really well since dropping a set to that short-handed Iowa State team. The young hitters are coming into their own and will continue to get better. Baylor relies a lot on Pressley, and if you can slow down how quickly she gets her six kills a set (she is getting her six kills a set, stopping that is probably not an option), you will give yourself a chance.
Not the end for Baylor, they will get Texas in Waco to potentially share the Big 12 (I struggle to find where either could slip up beyond against each other), they will still likely be a top-4 seed and have a good chance to make a deep run. A team with a really big block could cause Baylor some problems, but it is still too early to think about who could get sent where for 1st/2nd rounds.
Kansas and K-State look to be headed in the right direction based off of last night's result, though that will not help them/matter in 2019. It has to hurt if you are KU not being able to close out a 2-0 lead. Iowa State could struggle against K-State on Saturday, especially if KSU are rolling with a 6-2, that is a lot of size for a not very good ISU defense to compete against.
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Post by stevehorn on Oct 24, 2019 14:52:45 GMT -5
west virginia at tcu, tonight at 7. not sure if it will be on the tv or streamed It appears TCU will only have audio broadcast?? Most likely unless it is being streamed on ESPN+. I've never seen any TCU home games televised previously except for ESPN or Fox national telecasts.
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