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Post by vbjustice on May 2, 2019 12:19:04 GMT -5
So, in the football and basketball (both boys and girls) world... it's all about social media and piling up offers. Because of family friends in those sports as well as following my favorite schools in those sports, my Twitter feed some days is nothing but "blessed to have been offered by XYZ Western South State University". Yet, in the volleyball world this is virtually unseen. It's usually only the commitments that end up on social media. Frankly I prefer it the volleyball way, but find it interesting that it's such a stark contrast in cultures between the sports. Any idea why this is? Do the college coaches prefer it this way and tell the girls to keep it on the down-low, or is it just the difference in the culture of volleyball vs. the "money" sports? I hope that this doesn't appear in volleyball. I've noticed the difference too and suspect that part of it is because of how early girls volleyball recruiting is done in comparison to football and basketball. It's hard to remember the last time that a top-100 type volleyball recruit (except for those waiting on Stanford) wasn't verbally committed before her junior year of high school -- long before even official visits can be made. It's very different in football and those "offered by" by tweets usually accompany an official visit. Football I agree that recruiting happens later. But boys basketball receive early offers too. I personally know a few families who started getting verbal offers as early as 8th and 9th grade for basketball.
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Post by mikegarrison on May 2, 2019 12:52:34 GMT -5
Just another byproduct of shift to social media driven generations....everything is about "look at me, look what I'm doing" Arms race among peers for more and more likes and views That being said, it's the biggest decision they will make in their lives until they have kids, buy a house, etc... I have no problem with them being excited and celebrating Previous generations of teenagers weren't "look at me, look what I'm doing?" Are you from the "Me Generation"? I call @$$%*!*. Previous generations of teenagers would certainly have done the same if they had the platform to do it on. I know in my high school we all gossiped about who was doing what after high school. Back in the day, all you could do is write about it in your family Christmas letter or whatever. Now you can tweet it to the whole world (including all four people that actually end up seeing it).
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Post by atticus on May 2, 2019 12:52:42 GMT -5
I have noticed this too and wondered about it. Other posters have offered up some good explanations. I see high school athletic departments retweeting/posting these kind of announcements of offers from football players...and then not posting anything when a volleyball player posts an announcement of an actual verbal commitment. Hardly equal treatment. I’ve also noticed among club volleyball players a culture of (real or feigned) reluctance to talk openly about the visits and offers they’ve had to even their own teammates. Club coaches will often discreetly discuss recruiting matters out of earshot of other players. I’m sure this isn’t the case on every team but whether it’s out of humility or just not wanting the other girls on the team to feel badly if they aren’t being recruited as heavily, the way it’s handled in volleyball stands in stark contrast to the very public announcements of recruiting activity we see on social media from football players. Perhaps boy volleyball players handle it differently still from what I’ve observed in girls volleyball clubs. Football is done through high schools as opposed to clubs, so maybe that partly explains why the high schools are more likely to make recruiting announcements about football players vs volleyball players (whose recruiting would most likely be handled by their club coaches instead of their high school coaches.)
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Post by Wolfgang on May 2, 2019 12:58:50 GMT -5
My high school newspaper traditionally listed all the names of all the seniors and where they were going to college (if at all). In my senior year, a form came around and we had to fill it out. If we didn't fill it out, the newspaper staff hounded people in person. On the form, I listed "Joe's Refrigeration and HVAC Technology Institute" under "college." They didn't like it. So, in the actual paper, they wrote some other school's name that I was alleged to be going to. They got that wrong. So, a year later, I met an acquaintance and she asked, "How's ______________ [name of school printed on the newspaper]?" I laughed and I said that was wrong info. "I actually go to Joe's Refrigeration and HVAC Technology Institute." Ha ha ha...LOLs all around. I dated her briefly.
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Post by vbjustice on May 2, 2019 13:01:34 GMT -5
One family in our town, their daughter was recruited by a B1G school for basketball. Rumor was she got a visit to her house from a coach. Is that even allowed anymore? Imagine that in volleyball.
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Post by rainbowbadger on May 2, 2019 13:12:13 GMT -5
IDK, I love college signing celebrations. They've gotten more popular for all students, not just athletes, over the past several years.
Encouraging students to pursue further education after high school was part of former First Lady Michelle Obama's platform. She started National College Signing Day as part of her Reach Higher program in 2015. It's celebrated on May 1, which is generally the deadline for making undergraduate admission decisions. High schools were encouraged to host Signing Day celebrations where seniors would announce what they would be doing after graduation.
I enjoy videos of kids finding out they got into college immensely. When I need a pick-me-up, they're on my list of go-tos, along with videos of walk-ons getting scholarships and returning soldiers reuniting with their dogs.
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Post by stevehorn on May 2, 2019 14:13:45 GMT -5
It's very different in football and those "offered by" by tweets usually accompany an official visit. Disagree. There are a number of sophomores that get offers in football and typically the offers occur long before the official visits. They may be the result of an unofficial visit, but any more recruits don't go to a school on an official visit unless they already have an offer.
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Post by WahineFan44 on May 2, 2019 14:20:20 GMT -5
Imo they’re clearly cries for attention.
You don’t need to post everyone who offers you, you’re top ten, etc.
Just post when you commit. That’s all.
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Post by jayj79 on May 2, 2019 14:46:06 GMT -5
My high school newspaper traditionally listed all the names of all the seniors and where they were going to college (if at all). In my senior year, a form came around and we had to fill it out. If we didn't fill it out, the newspaper staff hounded people in person. On the form, I listed "Joe's Refrigeration and HVAC Technology Institute" under "college." They didn't like it. So, in the actual paper, they wrote some other school's name that I was alleged to be going to. They got that wrong. So, a year later, I met an acquaintance and she asked, "How's ______________ [name of school printed on the newspaper]?" I laughed and I said that was wrong info. "I actually go to Joe's Refrigeration and HVAC Technology Institute." Ha ha ha...LOLs all around. I dated her briefly. and many young adults today that had gone to college are saddled with massive amounts of student debt and are struggling to find a job in their field, while people that pursued technical vocational training (such and Joe's Refigeration and HVAC Tech) are in high demand and making good money.
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Post by c4ndlelight on May 2, 2019 15:05:37 GMT -5
IDK, I love college signing celebrations. They've gotten more popular for all students, not just athletes, over the past several years. Encouraging students to pursue further education after high school was part of former First Lady Michelle Obama's platform. She started National College Signing Day as part of her Reach Higher program in 2015. It's celebrated on May 1, which is generally the deadline for making undergraduate admission decisions. High schools were encouraged to host Signing Day celebrations where seniors would announce what they would be doing after graduation. I enjoy videos of kids finding out they got into college immensely. When I need a pick-me-up, they're on my list of go-tos, along with videos of walk-ons getting scholarships and returning soldiers reuniting with their dogs. My dog acts the same every day when I get home from work. I should fabricate some separation backstory behind it and go viral.
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Post by ddwebb on May 2, 2019 16:23:16 GMT -5
I have wondered why the whole offer and signing think is not so big in volleyball. As a football coaching I enjoy the offer and signing announcements and would like to see more of it on the volleyball side. The few that I have seen on the volleyball side you don't see a lot of the congrats from teams which is strange.
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Post by stevehorn on May 2, 2019 18:29:13 GMT -5
One family in our town, their daughter was recruited by a B1G school for basketball. Rumor was she got a visit to her house from a coach. Is that even allowed anymore? Imagine that in volleyball. Home visits by coaches are still allowed. The rules covering off-campus visits, including home visits, by coaches vary by sport, but I don't know of any sport where they aren't allowed. Typically there is a limit on the number of visits and also limited to the actual coaches with positions like volunteer coaches, analysts, etc. usually barred from off-campus recruiting.
In football, home visits are often a key event in the recruiting process. The head coach in football is limited to one off-campus visit with each recruit (actually one day so they are allowed to visit the recruit at multiple locations, for example school and home, that day). Assistant coaches can visit more than once, but there is a limit on total visits by the entire coaching staff. In competitive recruiting battles, the head coach's home visit is usually considered very important and often as important as the recruit's official visit to the school. Often the HC will bring several assistants with him on the home visit.
Now if the recruit has already committed and is considered firm, the HC's home visit is somewhat like a celebration event.
Since in football most of the home visits are typically concentrated in the period prior to signing day, a humorous note is that many HCs can put on a few pounds during that time. Many families put on a big spread and I'm sure the HCs don't want to insult mom, or whomever prepared the feast, by just nibbling.
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Post by stevehorn on May 2, 2019 18:36:12 GMT -5
I have wondered why the whole offer and signing think is not so big in volleyball. As a football coaching I enjoy the offer and signing announcements and would like to see more of it on the volleyball side. The few that I have seen on the volleyball side you don't see a lot of the congrats from teams which is strange.
Prior to signing, announcements are solely done by recruits. In all sports, coaches and schools aren't allowed to comment on recruits, which includes announcement of offers, commitments, etc.
I know at Texas once a commit is signed, there are announcements on each recruit including a story on each on Texassports.com.
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