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Post by n00b on May 23, 2019 9:56:55 GMT -5
I’m not sure how anybody could know this without being in the gym with the team. So, leadership is only visible in the practice gym? Never said that. Yes, stuff that happens in the practice gym and even away from the court matters, but we can isolate this conversation to on-the-court, in-match leadership. You cannot tell from televised broadcasts how players mentally and emotionally respond to somebody. Sometimes the team needs a calm, steady, positive force to steady the ship. Other times, they might need somebody to light a fire and yell at the team. You need to know the personality of every member of the team and how they respond to adversity AND how the best respond to feedback. Which brings me back to my original point, you absolutely cannot get a good read on this without being in the gym with the team on a daily basis to pick up on all those subtleties. I think that many people people believe Carlini is a good leader because of how intense her face looks when she celebrates a point. (Mind you, I'm not saying Carlini isn't a good leader, just that facial expressions aren't justification for that)
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Post by gbuttah on May 23, 2019 10:17:09 GMT -5
Why isn't Foluke on the VNL roster? Injury, pro season, personal conflict, etc???
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Post by volleyguy on May 23, 2019 10:22:24 GMT -5
So, leadership is only visible in the practice gym? Never said that. Yes, stuff that happens in the practice gym and even away from the court matters, but we can isolate this conversation to on-the-court, in-match leadership. You cannot tell from televised broadcasts how players mentally and emotionally respond to somebody. Sometimes the team needs a calm, steady, positive force to steady the ship. Other times, they might need somebody to light a fire and yell at the team. You need to know the personality of every member of the team and how they respond to adversity AND how the best respond to feedback. Which brings me back to my original point, you absolutely cannot get a good read on this without being in the gym with the team on a daily basis to pick up on all those subtleties. I think that many people people believe Carlini is a good leader because of how intense her face looks when she celebrates a point. (Mind you, I'm not saying Carlini isn't a good leader, just that facial expressions aren't justification for that) You literally said that no one can know such things without being in the gym with the team, and then said it again in the first sentence of the 2nd paragraph. Of course, there are many aspects to understanding leadership dynamics, and a complete understanding would include attending team practices. But it's certainly possible to gauge leadership from a match, especially if you're looking at particular things or isolating a particular position/individual.
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Post by ironhammer on May 23, 2019 10:30:27 GMT -5
Completely hopeless and capable of playing a sport at the very highest level are two very disparate things. I digress. If she's the best we can do at outside hitter, we will have issues medaling.No, I just don't write off a player based on one or two matches, and I always think there is possibility of improvement. Btw, I never said she's the best. I simply said she did well in this match...
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Post by n00b on May 23, 2019 10:35:04 GMT -5
Never said that. Yes, stuff that happens in the practice gym and even away from the court matters, but we can isolate this conversation to on-the-court, in-match leadership. You cannot tell from televised broadcasts how players mentally and emotionally respond to somebody. Sometimes the team needs a calm, steady, positive force to steady the ship. Other times, they might need somebody to light a fire and yell at the team. You need to know the personality of every member of the team and how they respond to adversity AND how the best respond to feedback. Which brings me back to my original point, you absolutely cannot get a good read on this without being in the gym with the team on a daily basis to pick up on all those subtleties. I think that many people people believe Carlini is a good leader because of how intense her face looks when she celebrates a point. (Mind you, I'm not saying Carlini isn't a good leader, just that facial expressions aren't justification for that) You literally said that no one can know such things without being in the gym with the team, and then said it again in the first sentence of the 2nd paragraph. Of course, there are many aspects to understanding leadership dynamics, and a complete understanding would include attending team practices. But it's certainly possible to gauge leadership from a match, especially if you're looking at particular things or isolating a particular position/individual. So what are these leadership qualities that we see from Carlini that are missing from other setters?
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Post by volleyguy on May 23, 2019 10:36:59 GMT -5
You literally said that no one can know such things without being in the gym with the team, and then said it again in the first sentence of the 2nd paragraph. Of course, there are many aspects to understanding leadership dynamics, and a complete understanding would include attending team practices. But it's certainly possible to gauge leadership from a match, especially if you're looking at particular things or isolating a particular position/individual. So what are these leadership qualities that we see from Carlini that are missing from other setters? I didn't make any claims about Carlini's leadership. She has Egonu.
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Post by ironhammer on May 23, 2019 10:45:46 GMT -5
Kingdon will not be making an Olympic, World Championship, or Olympic Qualifying roster. She's a great player, I really enjoyed her at Arizona, but she is not athletic enough at 5'11" to compete at the very highest level. I heard the same for certain so-and-so players but some of them made it to the Olympics on other NTs. So that taught me to never be so certain in dismissing certain players. Kingdon may well not make it to any other major tournament. But is that a 100% guarantee? I won't be so sure of that just yet.
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Post by nothingbutcorn on May 23, 2019 10:58:37 GMT -5
Foluke is taking some time off to be with her best guy. They got married last year and she was off to her pro season. No honeymoon.
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Post by Reach on May 23, 2019 11:12:49 GMT -5
Why isn't Foluke on the VNL roster? Injury, pro season, personal conflict, etc??? She doesn't need to be there right now.
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Post by wonderwarthog79 on May 23, 2019 11:13:39 GMT -5
I'm still working on "un-phased." Does that mean out of phase or just lacking phasability?
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Post by Reach on May 23, 2019 11:14:11 GMT -5
2 years ago, when Kingdon made her debut in WGP (ex-VNL), she was stunning during the first few weeks. Then other teams figured out her and her efficiency dropped a lot. I'm happy with what I saw from Foecke/Rettke/Washington/Thompson, but better to wait a bit. Washington's front slide and Thompson's hitting angles are haven't been scouted before by Japan. Yes and yes. Yea its fun to get excited but new players with big arms always look great especially against boo boo blocking teams like Japan. That said, the potential is still there. I'll hold judgment until we play a top 5 team.
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Post by midnightblue on May 23, 2019 11:19:15 GMT -5
I'm still working on "un-phased." Does that mean out of phase or just lacking phasability? Lol. Both. But I fixed it.
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Post by vbstan123 on May 23, 2019 11:40:59 GMT -5
I'm also interested in our libero situation. If KRob is moving back to OH, does this essentially mean Courtney is our starting Tokyo libero? And will KRob definitely come along, in case we need a libero/DS substitute? That's all fine and dandy, I just wonder what the rationale was behind essentially erasing an NT season of libero experience for KRob (which was a disservice to her if she's moving back to OH), and choosing Courtney instead, who will only have 2 tournaments of experience as our starting libero going into 2020. The only for sure locks for Tokyo are Foluke, Kim, and Larson. I also think Krob is 95% lock and at this point I would say Courtney has above a 75% chance to go as she's the only lib that we have doing the job (although we haven't seen lake)
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Post by vbstan123 on May 23, 2019 11:44:25 GMT -5
You literally said that no one can know such things without being in the gym with the team, and then said it again in the first sentence of the 2nd paragraph. Of course, there are many aspects to understanding leadership dynamics, and a complete understanding would include attending team practices. But it's certainly possible to gauge leadership from a match, especially if you're looking at particular things or isolating a particular position/individual. So what are these leadership qualities that we see from Carlini that are missing from other setters? You can see during matches Carlini pointing things out in games to her other players and directing the team when they meet in the court after the point.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 11:51:05 GMT -5
So what are these leadership qualities that we see from Carlini that are missing from other setters? You can see during matches Carlini pointing things out in games to her other players and directing the team when they meet in the court after the point.
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