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Post by Reach on Jul 6, 2019 17:17:21 GMT -5
Carlini was good in set 1 and then nothing seemed to go as planned in set 2. Washington had plenty of good looks that she sprayed out and a handful of poor sets, seemed like one after another, that Washington should have played better... Then there was a major shift in play by China during set 2 after being pummeled in set 1. Carlini will be back.
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Post by volleyguy on Jul 6, 2019 17:25:01 GMT -5
Carlini was good in set 1 and then nothing seemed to go as planned in set 2. Washington had plenty of good looks that she sprayed out and a handful of poor sets, seemed like one after another, that Washington should have played better... Then there was a major shift in play by China during set 2 after being pummeled in set 1. Carlini will be back. Is this a part of one of your kumbaya sessions? It wasn't Washington's fault. Carlini stunk it up. It happens. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 21:13:42 GMT -5
Carlini was good in set 1 and then nothing seemed to go as planned in set 2. Washington had plenty of good looks that she sprayed out and a handful of poor sets, seemed like one after another, that Washington should have played better... Then there was a major shift in play by China during set 2 after being pummeled in set 1. Carlini will be back. Carlini stunk it up. It happens. She didn't. Rewatch the second set. The replay is up on Flo. Beyond that argument, Karch just kicked his most veteran Olympian setter out of the program and finally handed the reigns over to someone who had gone on to totally change the complexion of the offense/team over the last month. Carlini has been the only setter to elevate the team and the only setter to string together multiple strong performances in a row. Seems like poor personnel management to cut that setter's legs out from beneath them because you thought she had a few location issues. Karch needs a setter for Tokyo. And he needs that setter to believe she's THE setter for Tokyo. This was a stupid move. |
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Post by hoosierdraft on Jul 6, 2019 21:26:42 GMT -5
Drews was inconsistent. Krob was POTM. The girl goes 16 kills on 32 swings and you call her inconsistent? Carlini was a trap setting machine today and you're going to rag on the hitters being inconsistent. |
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Post by alohavball on Jul 6, 2019 21:45:58 GMT -5
What's the O qualifier? But also won't you agree that playing against the best counts as good training? The Olympic qualifier. Playing against the best is good training, but besides the US, most of the other top tier teams didn't send their best squads. Even we are missing two of our A players. China is the reigning Olympic champions. That's the focus -- defending that title. The prestige that comes with an Olympic gold medal far outweighs winning the yearly VNL tournament, which falls right after pro league season, meaning most of the top talent is already exhausted and beaten down. I don't think VNL is necessarily a test of the true top talent. Another thing to add is that China has a much more competitive Olympic Qualifier which is why they wanted their main players to skip the finals and prepare for that instead. They are grouped with Turkey, Germany, and Czech Republic. Turkey will be their biggest opponent and could very much surprise them, not to mention their coach Giovanni Guidetti has coached Zhu Ting these past couple years in Vakifbank so he knows a thing or two in order to slow her down. After winning the World Championship, Serbia's coach let the main players skip VNL and have an extended vacation. To him this competition wasn't important and his players didn't really need training, it was the upcoming cycle of youth that was the focus for experience. USA has got the easiest Olympic Qualifier being grouped with Argentina, Bulgaria, and Kazakhstan. Argentina placed last in the 2018 VNL and Bulgaria did the same this year, USA should have no problems. If you ask me, they can probably use this same roster they brought for the finals to win their Olympic tickets. |
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Post by Disc808 on Jul 6, 2019 21:46:16 GMT -5
This is hilarious. Today's performance was not as extreme of an outlier as some are making it out to be. The only real surprise was how bad Carlini played today. She'd been pretty consistent until now (which is all we really need right now). The influx of new players seems to be creating a new car smell for many, but in most positions, for the most part, it's still a station wagon we're driving. Volleytalk is a bunch of extremists š |
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Post by shesasetter on Jul 6, 2019 21:52:14 GMT -5
This is hilarious. Today's performance was not as extreme of an outlier as some are making it out to be. The only real surprise was how bad Carlini played today. She'd been pretty consistent until now (which is all we really need right now). The influx of new players seems to be creating a new car smell for many, but in most positions, for the most part, it's still a station wagon we're driving. Volleytalk is a bunch of extremists š lol agreed. I doubt they even watched the full match. I think Dixon and Poulter did a good job coming in off the bench and maybe Karch felt a Washington and Carlini change would make the most difference. Heās aloud to do that. But to those who think Washington and Carlini were the only problems need to get a grip. And stop being over dramatic. Geez. |
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Post by volleyguy on Jul 7, 2019 2:09:08 GMT -5
Carlini stunk it up. It happens. She didn't. Rewatch the second set. The replay is up on Flo. Beyond that argument, Karch just kicked his most veteran Olympian setter out of the program and finally handed the reigns over to someone who had gone on to totally change the complexion of the offense/team over the last month. Carlini has been the only setter to elevate the team and the only setter to string together multiple strong performances in a row. Seems like poor personnel management to cut that setter's legs out from beneath them because you thought she had a few location issues. Karch needs a setter for Tokyo. And he needs that setter to believe she's THE setter for Tokyo. This was a stupid move. I watched the entire match, and rewatched it after a power nap and some coffee. In an earlier comment, I said Carlini's bad performance was surprising because she had been very consistent in the VNL matches until now. I don't really buy the narrative that Carlini is re-making the offense or this team. She has been performing pretty well and seemed to have gained, or re-gained, her confidence (She obviously has a lot more experience now, but in some ways I still don't think that in some respects that she's necessarily better than her peak NCAA level.). I agree with the implication that the apparent issues with Lloyd may have had some effect on her. If Karch can (allegedly) show such disrespect for an Olympic setter who as recently as two weeks ago appeared to be in his good graces, then what kind of confidence can Carlini expect to maintain, especially in light of what she has already endured and overcome in terms of Karch's treatment and handling. Just as importantly, what message does it send to every new player trying to break into the line-up? Karch's team management is problematic and actually debilitating, but I am becoming convinced that is what he intends as a means of asserting control. It's not a point you raised, but I didn't think that Poulter's play was particularly outstanding. It was simply good enough, especially against a diminished team for China. |
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Post by Pipe Attack on Jul 7, 2019 2:36:33 GMT -5
I have grown to like Carlini - but Carlini re-making the offense? More like Karch making them play how they are used to playing. The offense has slowed down quite a bit. Not complaining, because I believed always having to push the speed was unnecessary. And that could have been someone like Lloyd's downfall. It seemed as if she worked hard to make herself that kind of setter. She was not that type of setter before. Not in college and not in club. I am so curious as to whatever happened to her as she was a wealth of knowledge and experience. I hope she was not mistreated ... and at this point, aren't we all just assuming. Without putting any setters down, we really do have a great group coming in. Most teams have setters that stay for a very long time. The US just seems to use them at their disposal. If you look at the last quad, Kreklow was presumed to be heading into the Olympics ... but then did not make it and abruptly quit right after. With Lloyd, it would be a shame ... as she offers a wealth of knowledge -- after being trained by some of the best coaches out there. She would have a lot to offer to the younger players (setters). So interesting, the inner workings of Team USA.
With that said, I thought he made the right move in subbing Carlini. At the end of the second set, the offense just stank. Poulter came in and changed the complexity of the match and the offensive rhythm. You really can't fault the passers, as setters in the past did not have that luxury to use that excuse (for example when Lloyd got replaced by Carlini in the earlier rounds ... I would say, that was due to some stinky passing, but on one used that as an excuse at that time -- instead praising Carlini). With that said, Carlini has been good for sure. But setters, just like other players, can have some bad matches.
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Post by shesasetter on Jul 7, 2019 3:34:37 GMT -5
I have grown to like Carlini - but Carlini re-making the offense? More like Karch making them play how they are used to playing. The offense has slowed down quite a bit. Not complaining, because I believed always having to push the speed was unnecessary. And that could have been someone like Lloyd's downfall. It seemed as if she worked hard to make herself that kind of setter. She was not that type of setter before. Not in college and not in club. I am so curious as to whatever happened to her as she was a wealth of knowledge and experience. I hope she was not mistreated ... and at this point, aren't we all just assuming. Without putting any setters down, we really do have a great group coming in. Most teams have setters that stay for a very long time. The US just seems to use them at their disposal. If you look at the last quad, Kreklow was presumed to be heading into the Olympics ... but then did not make it and abruptly quit right after. With Lloyd, it would be a shame ... as she offers a wealth of knowledge -- after being trained by some of the best coaches out there. She would have a lot to offer to the younger players (setters). So interesting, the inner workings of Team USA. With that said, I thought he made the right move in subbing Carlini. At the end of the second set, the offense just stank. Poulter came in and changed the complexity of the match and the offensive rhythm. You really can't fault the passers, as setters in the past did not have that luxury to use that excuse (for example when Lloyd got replaced by Carlini in the earlier rounds ... I would say, that was due to some stinky passing, but on one used that as an excuse at that time -- instead praising Carlini). With that said, Carlini has been good for sure. But setters, just like other players, can have some bad matches. Okay, for the record, Lloyd has never been āgreatā at USA fast, ever. She was just the only true veteran setter left so she assumed the position. As for Kreklow, itās still a sham she didnāt make it to Rio with Glass. |
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Post by Millennium on Jul 7, 2019 9:21:50 GMT -5
I have grown to like Carlini - but Carlini re-making the offense? More like Karch making them play how they are used to playing. The offense has slowed down quite a bit. Not complaining, because I believed always having to push the speed was unnecessary. And that could have been someone like Lloyd's downfall. It seemed as if she worked hard to make herself that kind of setter. She was not that type of setter before. Not in college and not in club. I am so curious as to whatever happened to her as she was a wealth of knowledge and experience. I hope she was not mistreated ... and at this point, aren't we all just assuming. Without putting any setters down, we really do have a great group coming in. Most teams have setters that stay for a very long time. The US just seems to use them at their disposal. If you look at the last quad, Kreklow was presumed to be heading into the Olympics ... but then did not make it and abruptly quit right after. With Lloyd, it would be a shame ... as she offers a wealth of knowledge -- after being trained by some of the best coaches out there. She would have a lot to offer to the younger players (setters). So interesting, the inner workings of Team USA. With that said, I thought he made the right move in subbing Carlini. At the end of the second set, the offense just stank. Poulter came in and changed the complexity of the match and the offensive rhythm. You really can't fault the passers, as setters in the past did not have that luxury to use that excuse (for example when Lloyd got replaced by Carlini in the earlier rounds ... I would say, that was due to some stinky passing, but on one used that as an excuse at that time -- instead praising Carlini). With that said, Carlini has been good for sure. But setters, just like other players, can have some bad matches. Okay, for the record, Lloyd has never been āgreatā at USA fast, ever. She was just the only true veteran setter left so she assumed the position. As for Kreklow, itās still a sham she didnāt make it to Rio with Glass. I know this is not very probably, but what happens if one or more of the potential Tokyo setters get seriously injured before the Olympics? Who do you bring in, after burning your bridges? |
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