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Post by BearClause on Feb 10, 2020 1:40:04 GMT -5
I just don't see why Disney in particular wants to make something that just seems so serious. The cartoon version of Mulan didn't really do all that well in China, and it sounds like Disney is trying to reverse that. I don't have a problem with Chinese culture and history, but I certainly understand Chinese cinema tropes and I think they're somewhat silly. I've watched a few of them in my day, and I'd hate for Disney to try and emulate that rather than apply their own style. Maybe not relevant to Mulan, but I've also seen the "stupid/lazy/dishonorable westerner" trope in some Chinese movies such as The Great Wall. I've also seen some Chinese military movies including a couple trying to be like Top Gun, only without the self-aware humor about how campy it was. nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/we-watched-chinas-version-top-gun-so-your-wouldnt-have-88836Also - didn't Chinese authorities put the kibosh on time travel (time shifting) movies? That was one trope they were trying to stop. I just think you can't judge it so much...yet. As for Chinese cinema tropes...if you are referring to mainland movie and tv series, I agree, but that is more a product of censorship and lack of creative freedom. Hong Kong and Taiwan's more commercial cinema used to buck those trends. I've seen Chinese movies or at least Chinese themed movies. I was an early fan of Ang Lee from The Wedding Banquet to Eat Drink Man Woman. Those were really good because they dealt with the clash of modernity and Chinese traditions. But I've seen mainland Chinese cinema - at least under the current regime and much of it is total crap. Basically propoganda films designed as entertainment. I visited China in the 80s and somehow part of our visit included watching a Chinese police drama. The production value was actually quite good, but it was really more like a propaganda flick about how great the national police was. And those military movies are kind of strange, especially one scene I saw where some general is telling foreign reporters of how they can outmatch any military air power in the world, which almost any unbiased observer would say just isn't true.
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Post by ironhammer on Feb 10, 2020 1:58:24 GMT -5
I just think you can't judge it so much...yet. As for Chinese cinema tropes...if you are referring to mainland movie and tv series, I agree, but that is more a product of censorship and lack of creative freedom. Hong Kong and Taiwan's more commercial cinema used to buck those trends. But I've seen mainland Chinese cinema - at least under the current regime and much of it is total crap. That's too broad a generalization I believe. Yes, a lot of it is crap, in fact it is such crap that Beijing is criticizing it's own shows, paticularly the absurd plots over its anti-Japanese dramas: www.reuters.com/article/entertainment-us-china-japan-television/china-cracks-down-on-over-the-top-anti-japan-dramas-idUSBRE94G03B20130517But that is far from the whole picture. There are accomplished directors and internationally well received movies made by Chinese directors. It's not all propaganda. The picture is not so black and white all the time.
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Post by akbar on Feb 10, 2020 18:29:34 GMT -5
Is Matt Damon in it?
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Post by mikegarrison on Feb 10, 2020 18:40:50 GMT -5
I've seen mainland Chinese cinema - at least under the current regime and much of it is total crap. Half of everything is below average.
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Post by mikegarrison on Feb 10, 2020 18:46:28 GMT -5
I was an early fan of Ang Lee from The Wedding Banquet to Eat Drink Man Woman. Yes, those were great movies. I think the last Ang Lee movie I saw was Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon. (Not because his movies were no longer good -- I just stopped seeing movies as much as I did when I was younger.)
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Post by ironhammer on Feb 11, 2020 10:47:54 GMT -5
I've seen mainland Chinese cinema - at least under the current regime and much of it is total crap. Half of everything is below average. You are an expert of mainland Chinese movies? If I may be so bold, I think I watch Chinese films more than you.
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