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Post by BearClause on May 26, 2022 21:47:01 GMT -5
Real dogfighting these days may be where they're 10 miles from each other and certainly not about getting on an enemy's six. The latest Sidewinders can be fired head on. It can be fired head-on, but can it actually score the kill? Getting on the enemy's six still matters in some cases, even if the missile in theory can do a sharp 180 degrees turn with ease. Well yeah. They're infrared. All they need is to find a heat source, even if it's not specifically the exhaust from behind. And it doesn't have to do a 180. It just has to get close enough and it "maims" the target. But getting on an opponent's tail isn't really a thing these days.
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Post by ironhammer on May 26, 2022 22:22:00 GMT -5
It can be fired head-on, but can it actually score the kill? Getting on the enemy's six still matters in some cases, even if the missile in theory can do a sharp 180 degrees turn with ease. Well yeah. They're infrared. All they need is to find a heat source, even if it's not specifically the exhaust from behind. And it doesn't have to do a 180. It just has to get close enough and it "maims" the target. But getting on an opponent's tail isn't really a thing these days. The sidewinder has always been infrared, but the scope of where it could fire was a lot narrower in the past, during Vietnam, the missile could only track and lock on to the target within certain parameters. Getting in the six still matters in some cases today. Its like sonar on a modern submarine. These days modern subs, whether nuclear powered or diesel-electric powered, relies on passive sonars (listening devices that give off no sound) to detect enemy vessels for the vast majority of the time. Active sonars, which give off loud "pings" to generate sound waves that bounce off targets, are seldom used in modern submarine warfare, because that gives away your own sub's position to the enemy. Yet modern subs still retain active sonars in most cases. It can be useful in certain situations. Likewise, modern fighters still retain a dogfighting ability, even if it is seldom employed in actual combat.
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Post by mikegarrison on May 26, 2022 22:31:08 GMT -5
There was a blockbuster movie over here where I think the Sun was going to explode, so they built huge engines into the Earth and started to move Earth to another location in the Universe. The entire planet froze over so everyone (who could fit into the shelters) moved underground. Something happened where the Earth was in danger of crashing into Jupiter (or another planet) and they scrambled to save the planet. In the end, the Chinese scientists saved Earth from crashing, Japanese team committed suicide...one of the worst sci-fi movies I have ever watched. Yet, it was a blockbuster here. I looked it up, it’s called The Wandering Earth and is available on Netflix. www.netflix.com/us/title/81067760Now we can’t say XAsstCoach didn’t warn us. The worst science fiction movie I've ever seen is still the Canadian classic, "Defcon 4".
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Post by BearClause on May 26, 2022 23:04:04 GMT -5
Well yeah. They're infrared. All they need is to find a heat source, even if it's not specifically the exhaust from behind. And it doesn't have to do a 180. It just has to get close enough and it "maims" the target. But getting on an opponent's tail isn't really a thing these days. The sidewinder has always been infrared, but the scope of where it could fire was a lot narrower in the past, during Vietnam, the missile could only track and lock on to the target within certain parameters. Getting in the six still matters in some cases today. Its like sonar on a modern submarine. These days modern subs, whether nuclear powered or diesel-electric powered, relies on passive sonars (listening devices that give off no sound) to detect enemy vessels for the vast majority of the time. Active sonars, which give off loud "pings" to generate sound waves that bounce off targets, are seldom used in modern submarine warfare, because that gives away your own sub's position to the enemy. Yet modern subs still retain active sonars in most cases. It can be useful in certain situations. Likewise, modern fighters still retain a dogfighting ability, even if it is seldom employed in actual combat. I've seen video of actually "dogfights" in about as close to a turning fight as has been seen in the past 30 years. They're literally just shooting at a dot in the distance well off boresight. And it did seem to be more about "I got my shot off first". I believe it's more like a duel than a dogfight, where awareness of who is there is probably most important. And these days it might very well be possible for two jets to shoot each other down.
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Post by XAsstCoach on May 27, 2022 0:13:18 GMT -5
The worst science fiction movie I've ever seen is still the Canadian classic, "Defcon 4". Please take a look at The Wandering Earth if you can, see which is worst? I'll look for Defcon 4.
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Post by XAsstCoach on May 27, 2022 0:15:41 GMT -5
There was a blockbuster movie over here where I think the Sun was going to explode, so they built huge engines into the Earth and started to move Earth to another location in the Universe. The entire planet froze over so everyone (who could fit into the shelters) moved underground. Something happened where the Earth was in danger of crashing into Jupiter (or another planet) and they scrambled to save the planet. In the end, the Chinese scientists saved Earth from crashing, Japanese team committed suicide...one of the worst sci-fi movies I have ever watched. Yet, it was a blockbuster here. I looked it up, it’s called The Wandering Earth and is available on Netflix. www.netflix.com/us/title/81067760Now we can’t say XAsstCoach didn’t warn us. Yeah, Netflix paid some ungodly amount for the rights to show it in the West. Scratched my head back when I heard about the deal.
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Post by BearClause on May 27, 2022 0:24:56 GMT -5
Yeah, Netflix paid some ungodly amount for the rights to show it in the West. Scratched my head back when I heard about the deal. I remember a friend who was originally from China who wanted to see this one. It was weird too as it was showing in limited movie theaters, but they weren't specialty movie houses but just the occasional multiplex that had one screen showing it.
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Post by mikegarrison on May 27, 2022 1:33:57 GMT -5
Yeah, Netflix paid some ungodly amount for the rights to show it in the West. Scratched my head back when I heard about the deal. Maybe because it is based on a story by Liu Cixin.
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Post by XAsstCoach on May 27, 2022 3:35:38 GMT -5
Yeah, Netflix paid some ungodly amount for the rights to show it in the West. Scratched my head back when I heard about the deal. Maybe because it is based on a story by Liu Cixin. Is he the self made million/billionaire that is also a F1 driver? Edit: Nevermind...mixing him up with someone else.
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Post by mikegarrison on May 27, 2022 4:10:54 GMT -5
Maybe because it is based on a story by Liu Cixin. Is he the self made million/billionaire that is also a F1 driver? Edit: Nevermind...mixing him up with someone else. (rofl) He is a famous writer. Well, famous in certain circles. The translation of one of his book won the Hugo Award here in the US (which I think was probably the first time a translated book ever won that award). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liu_Cixin
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Post by vergyltantor on May 27, 2022 15:15:04 GMT -5
Are any other College SID's using Top Gun hype as a marketing opportunity?
Before anyone posts, I know the F-16 shown in the video is not a Navy jet and wouldn't normally be used by them.
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Post by Mocha on May 27, 2022 15:18:43 GMT -5
I’m trying to come up with some Scott Frost/Top Gun joke.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on May 27, 2022 16:21:03 GMT -5
I’m trying to come up with some Scott Frost/Top Gun joke. A photo of a jet fighter going down in flames would serve.
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Post by vergyltantor on May 27, 2022 17:06:58 GMT -5
Good idea, Geddy. Note, this is a simulation.
Mayday Mayday Mayday.
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Post by ironhammer on May 28, 2022 6:48:21 GMT -5
The sidewinder has always been infrared, but the scope of where it could fire was a lot narrower in the past, during Vietnam, the missile could only track and lock on to the target within certain parameters. Getting in the six still matters in some cases today. Its like sonar on a modern submarine. These days modern subs, whether nuclear powered or diesel-electric powered, relies on passive sonars (listening devices that give off no sound) to detect enemy vessels for the vast majority of the time. Active sonars, which give off loud "pings" to generate sound waves that bounce off targets, are seldom used in modern submarine warfare, because that gives away your own sub's position to the enemy. Yet modern subs still retain active sonars in most cases. It can be useful in certain situations. Likewise, modern fighters still retain a dogfighting ability, even if it is seldom employed in actual combat. I've seen video of actually "dogfights" in about as close to a turning fight as has been seen in the past 30 years. They're literally just shooting at a dot in the distance well off boresight. And it did seem to be more about "I got my shot off first". I believe it's more like a duel than a dogfight, where awareness of who is there is probably most important. And these days it might very well be possible for two jets to shoot each other down. You are talking about beyond-visual-range engagement, where aircraft fires at their targets at long range (i.e. using Sparrow or AMRAAM missiles, with fire-and-forget ability, the missile can guide itself to the target without further intervention by the aircraft, i.e. no need to maintain a radar lock on the target once the missile is fired). That is the preferred method of air-to-air warfare. The F-4 Phantom II was designed with that in mind, that was why the Navy version of that plane had no guns, because that was seen as unnecessary for long range engagement. Only later with the F-4E did the Phantom came with a gun, and only the USAF had that version. Turns out, the Sparrow missiles were unreliable (high failure rate) and strict rules of engagement forced Navy and Air Force F-4 pilots to engage in dogfights over Vietnam against the more agile Mig-19s and -21s. It was only later, when updated versions of Sparrow becoming more reliable and the newer generation of fighters like the F-15 and F-16 had better radars that allowed for true beyond-visual-range engagement. Even so, F-15s and F-16 have their guns. You can never be 100% certain that air-to-air warfare will remain beyond-visual-range in all cases, which is why dogfighting skills still matter.
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