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Post by beavis on Nov 17, 2019 1:24:20 GMT -5
The Dutch looked unstoppable against T2, and T2 played some really strong matches this week. That match seemed like the JV against the Varsity (and I don't mean that in an offensive way) with the totally different level that the Dutch were on, both defensively and at the net. The Dutch players' marked size advantage seemed startling, and seemed much more in reality and up close than you would think given their listed heights.
Jake continues to amaze, and they were so into Walkenhorst's head that he almost got a red card. Some guys may play better when they are incredibly irritated, but his surliness had the opposite effect on Walkenhorst. During the first time out when they were down early by several points, he was yelling at poor, young Winter despite being the one who cost them every one of those lost points. Then at the technical during game 2, Winter dared to smile at the sight of the 4 cheerleader-type ladies dancing around the Court, and you would have thought the poor kid just committed a mortal sin. Of course its no fun to lose, but is Walkenhorst always such a dick?
The stadium was absolutely rocking, and all of the Spanish-speaking folks around us in the stands were laughing (politely, I mean - most of them seemed pretty impressed) at Jake's keynote speech - it was very cool. I'll say it again. Everyone I talked to is so incredibly excited to think that their little City of Chetumal could host such a huge event - what a sweet, polite, welcoming, helpful and fun-loving group of people. In 5 days, we went from being "really skeptical" to "we'd come back here in a heartbeat."
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Post by ajm on Nov 17, 2019 14:09:32 GMT -5
It wasn’t the strongest opponent, but 2T looked good in the Bronze match. Tri looks to be healthy again. He received most of the serves and sided out with ease. Both Tri and Trevor blocked well.
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Post by ajm on Nov 17, 2019 17:09:21 GMT -5
Nice finish for Cribb, beating the Dutch for the Gold in three sets. Huge block for Jake on Meeuwsen to go up 13-11 and that proved to be the difference.
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Post by guest2 on Nov 17, 2019 17:24:36 GMT -5
Nice finish for Cribb, beating the Dutch for the Gold in three sets. Huge block for Jake on Meeuwsen to go up 13-11 and that proved to be the difference. Old man Jake beat Meeuwsen at the net consistently in Game 1 and 3. Feels like old times, Kerri and Jake both winning titles this year. Doubly remarkable because I didnt think Taylor did a ton in this one.
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Post by vballstartedit on Nov 17, 2019 20:52:35 GMT -5
Hi! anyone have any links of the men's gold medal match? The one from YouTube got removed or at least it's not there anymore. I was able to watch part of it while it was live streaming. Thank you
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Post by jonas on Nov 18, 2019 4:18:20 GMT -5
Hi! anyone have any links of the men's gold medal match? The one from YouTube got removed or at least it's not there anymore. I was able to watch part of it while it was live streaming. Thank you If you're on Facebook it is available here: www.facebook.com/TVMAS/videos/1186199244912876/Regards, - Jonas
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Post by vballstartedit on Nov 18, 2019 22:49:59 GMT -5
Hi! anyone have any links of the men's gold medal match? The one from YouTube got removed or at least it's not there anymore. I was able to watch part of it while it was live streaming. Thank you If you're on Facebook it is available here: www.facebook.com/TVMAS/videos/1186199244912876/Regards, - Jonas Thank you!
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Post by COVAlove on Nov 20, 2019 20:14:55 GMT -5
Watching the semifinals and bronze match now I couldn’t be less impressed with this German team, namely Walkenhorst. This team sets like crap and Walkenhorst passes terribly and is an oaf.
Trevor was equally bad against the Dutch. He has no line offense to open up his cross body shots/swings. He was in a phone booth. Don’t understand why Tri doesn’t play right side in this pairing other than he started there as he recovered from his illness and they didn’t want to make a switch afterward. Trevor is a shot artist from the left side and Tri has more bounce/power so I’d think he would be superior on the right.
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Post by COVAlove on Nov 20, 2019 20:58:36 GMT -5
Nice finish for Cribb, beating the Dutch for the Gold in three sets. Huge block for Jake on Meeuwsen to go up 13-11 and that proved to be the difference. Old man Jake beat Meeuwsen at the net consistently in Game 1 and 3. Feels like old times, Kerri and Jake both winning titles this year. Doubly remarkable because I didnt think Taylor did a ton in this one. Sometimes I think you try too hard to be negative G2. Watching this final I saw Jake play great. But playing the Dutch you aren’t going to dig a ton of balls because they aren’t shooting often. In the third set 7-9 Taylor digs and scores in transition, same thing on 8-9. Then scores off a free ball at 11-11 to take the lead. Jake played so well they switched to serving Taylor and then went back to Jake because Taylor was siding out so well. Also got them out of system several times with that high deep floatie. I thought Taylor played pretty well. I think you’re off on this take.
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Post by guest2 on Nov 20, 2019 22:42:56 GMT -5
Old man Jake beat Meeuwsen at the net consistently in Game 1 and 3. Feels like old times, Kerri and Jake both winning titles this year. Doubly remarkable because I didnt think Taylor did a ton in this one. Sometimes I think you try too hard to be negative G2. Watching this final I saw Jake play great. But playing the Dutch you aren’t going to dig a ton of balls because they aren’t shooting often. In the third set 7-9 Taylor digs and scores in transition, same thing on 8-9. Then scores off a free ball at 11-11 to take the lead. Jake played so well they switched to serving Taylor and then went back to Jake because Taylor was siding out so well. Also got them out of system several times with that high deep floatie. I thought Taylor played pretty well. I think you’re off on this take. I dont think Taylor was bad, just kind of neutral. I dont think he was a big plus or a big minus for his team
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Post by beavis on Nov 21, 2019 1:12:49 GMT -5
They both played great throughout the entire tournament. That's why this is such a cool team sport - sometimes the blocker steps up and seems to be the one who is more instrumental in a certain match, and sometimes the defender seems to be the one who makes the difference. However, Jake does not side out nearly as well as he did all week without Taylor setting him really, really well. Taylor does not dig or touch nearly as many balls without Jake having such a big influence at the net. Unless you have a clearly dominant player and a clearly lesser player on a given team (like Kerri/Brooke), I think that all of the little things that might go unnoticed by two comparable players (even of their appointed tasks are vastly different) tend to equalize things. For these reason, I agree with Covalove and disagree with Guest2 - Taylor was light years from being "neutral" or not a "big plus or a big minus for his team."
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Post by guest2 on Nov 21, 2019 12:49:00 GMT -5
They both played great throughout the entire tournament. That's why this is such a cool team sport - sometimes the blocker steps up and seems to be the one who is more instrumental in a certain match, and sometimes the defender seems to be the one who makes the difference. However, Jake does not side out nearly as well as he did all week without Taylor setting him really, really well. Taylor does not dig or touch nearly as many balls without Jake having such a big influence at the net. Unless you have a clearly dominant player and a clearly lesser player on a given team (like Kerri/Brooke), I think that all of the little things that might go unnoticed by two comparable players (even of their appointed tasks are vastly different) tend to equalize things. For these reason, I agree with Covalove and disagree with Guest2 - Taylor was light years from being "neutral" or not a "big plus or a big minus for his team." Light years from being neutral? Ok what exactly did he do in that match that drove winning? After reviewing the two games they 1, Taylor made one play on defense that was exceptional, misplayed a couple balls (knuckle dig over for example) and hit pretty well, not exceptionally. If Billy Allen or or Brouwer or some other average defender were in Taylor's place in this match, they make all the same plays he did, except for the one dig. Generally, Taylor is the better player on this team and Jake's steadiness sort of provides a platform for Taylor to win matches with his defense. Very similar to how Kerri/Nicole won when they did. But that simply isnt what happened in this match. I watched Games 1 and 3 again just to be sure. What won this for the US was Jake's net play (He touched 16 balls in the two games they won and blocked 5) and Dutch carelessness (14 errors, most avoidable - 9 were missed serves) In Game 1 - This is how points were scored: Dutch errors (missed serves, hands, hits out) - 8 points. Sloppy play from Holland was the real MVP Jake sideouts - 6. (He gave up 1) Taylor sideouts - 3 (He gave up 1) Jake points - 3 (two blocks and a serve that gave him a freeball. Jake also touched 5 other balls) Taylor points - 1 That's an unusual game for them. Taylor had a few digs but nothing a normal, solid defender doesn't get and two balls he should have controlled went over. He didnt play badly, but neither did he drive winning. That game was decided by sloppy Dutch play and Jake's blocking and sideout play. In Game 3 Dutch service errors - 3 Jake blocks - 3 (Jake also touched six other balls, including 3 shots) Other Dutch errors - 3 (one caused by a Jake serve, the other two hits out - which Jake had a lot to do with given he was touching everything) Jake sideouts - 3 (his sideout game wasnt great this game) Taylor sideouts - 2 Combo - Jake touch, Taylor dig, Jake kill Again the sneaky MVP was Dutch sloppiness. Taylor had one dig that was a wow, and missed two he should have made, one went back over and the other didnt come up. He wasnt a drag but he also didnt drive winning. Jake roofed three balls and touched pretty much everything. He was in Meuwssen's head (one of the best offensive players of his generation) which may have contributed to the out swings.
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Post by guest2 on Nov 21, 2019 13:07:31 GMT -5
Old man Jake beat Meeuwsen at the net consistently in Game 1 and 3. Feels like old times, Kerri and Jake both winning titles this year. Doubly remarkable because I didnt think Taylor did a ton in this one. Sometimes I think you try too hard to be negative G2. Watching this final I saw Jake play great. But playing the Dutch you aren’t going to dig a ton of balls because they aren’t shooting often. In the third set 7-9 Taylor digs and scores in transition, same thing on 8-9. Then scores off a free ball at 11-11 to take the lead. Jake played so well they switched to serving Taylor and then went back to Jake because Taylor was siding out so well. Also got them out of system several times with that high deep floatie. I thought Taylor played pretty well. I think you’re off on this take. And I think sometimes fans are so eager to praise Taylor that they give him credit where its not always deserved. The three plays you mention are pretty good examples. Two of them most players make and one of them pretty much every player on tour does. At 7-9 was the one exceptional dig Taylor made - not to many defenders pop that up - but he missed a shot he should have made. He shot line against a line block and a line defender. Then the Dutch hit out. He did well to keep it alive but should have finished. At 8-9, the Dutch hitter rolled the ball right at Taylor, he didn't take a step (and Jake slowed down the roll shot with a touch.) He gave Jake a crummy set off it, which Jake - not Taylor - killed. I cant think of a defender on the FIVB or the AVP who doesnt make that play and many give Jake a better set. At 11 all, he got a free ball and got a kill? Again most players make the same play. Again I am not saying Taylor was terrible or even that he was a drag on the team, just that he didnt do much to drive winning. Except for the one dig, nothing he did in either game would have been exceptional if Lucena or Priddy or Allen did it.
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Post by dunninla3 on Nov 22, 2019 13:25:59 GMT -5
Anybody know where to find the Men's Gold Medal match? The FIVB channel has both men's semis, the men's bronze medal, the women's gold and both semis and Women's Bronze, but I cannot find the Men's Gold.
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Post by pbbandito on Nov 22, 2019 13:30:50 GMT -5
Anybody know where to find the Men's Gold Medal match? The FIVB channel has both men's semis, the men's bronze medal, the women's gold and both semis and Women's Bronze, but I cannot find the Men's Gold.
Check earlier up in this thread, it's posted on facebook...
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