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Post by vbfan on Dec 11, 2004 20:15:22 GMT -5
It's amazing that Nebraska, Penn State and Hawaii, the number 1, 2, and 3 seeds have all been eliminated before reaching the Final Four. Depending on what happens in the Minn-OSU match, possibly all top 4 seeds will fail to make it ot the Final Four. I don't think this has ever happened before in volleyball, in fact there have been several years where all the top seeds were in the final four. There has definitely been many more upsets this season, than in years past.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Dec 11, 2004 20:17:46 GMT -5
Just goes to show how bad the bracket seeding was!!!
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Post by vbmypassion on Dec 11, 2004 20:40:51 GMT -5
It just shows that the Pac-10 were not where they should have been in the seeding. Most of the Pac-10 losses were to pac-10 teams. I think someone said it right in one of the other threads "it could be an all Pac-10 final four. If UCLA or CAL was in that regional they would have surely made it through. Wow! What a league!
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Post by IdahoBoy on Dec 11, 2004 20:50:26 GMT -5
It just shows that the Pac-10 were not where they should have been in the seeding. Most of the Pac-10 losses were to pac-10 teams. I think someone said it right in one of the other threads "it could be an all Pac-10 Final Four. If UCLA or CAL was in that regional they would have surely made it through. Wow! What a league! Yeah... I said that. Who did California and Arizona lose to?
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Post by kolohekeiki on Dec 11, 2004 21:51:18 GMT -5
[quote author= Idaho Boy®® link=board=general&thread=1102814122&start=3#0 date=1102816226] Yeah... I said that. Who did California and Arizona lose to? [/quote] Arizona loss to San Diego and California loss to St. Mary's.
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Post by vbmypassion on Dec 11, 2004 22:19:04 GMT -5
Both games were in 5, 15-13. Go figure.
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Post by GatorVball on Dec 11, 2004 23:51:39 GMT -5
While the top 3 seeds did lose, I think a lot of people thought some of the seeding was a little crazy, esp. how the Pac-10's highest seed was #7. I certainly thought Washington would be a top 4 seed. I don't think anyone is all that surprised that USC is there. And as for Stanford, seeded low, but they are the hottest team in America, so that's no surprise. I was mildly surprised that PSU and Hawaii didn't get to the regional finals, but in the end, the final 4 teams aren't that much of a surprise.
Question for those who might know. Has another conference ever had more than 2, let alone 3 teams in the Final 4 the same year? Until something changes, the Pac-10 once again has proven it's the best and should be treated as such by the committee. They shouldn't get penalized for beating up on each other.
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Post by SakiBomb25 on Dec 12, 2004 0:11:07 GMT -5
Question for those who might know. Has another conference ever had more than 2, let alone 3 teams in the Final 4 the same year? Until something changes, the Pac-10 once again has proven it's the best and should be treated as such by the committee. They shouldn't get penalized for beating up on each other. The Pac-10 has never had three Final Four squad, so it is quite the accomplishment. I think a lot of people were saying that the Pac-10 was down because a lot of their losses happened outside of conference (USC to Illinois, St. Mary's to Stanford, etc...). But you know what? All the other conferences can take the best preseason records as long as the Pac-10 still keeps on producing when it really matters the most - the play-offs.
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Post by beachman on Dec 12, 2004 0:25:01 GMT -5
[quote author=IdahoBoy®® link=board=general&thread=1102814122&start=1#0 date=1102814266]Just goes to show how bad the bracket seeding was!!! [/quote] IB, I couldn't agree more with you. This had to be one of the worst seedings in a long long time.....it backfired on the NCAA folks as well, with 3 PAC-10 teams in the FF, and of those three only one has any serious fan base and they are 1,000 miles away from Long Beach. Too bad about U$C and Stanford, because unless they re-write history, their fan base will be all but non-existent at the Long Beach Arena next week, especially U$C!
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Post by SakiBomb25 on Dec 12, 2004 0:28:59 GMT -5
IB, I couldn't agree more with you. This had to be one of the worst seedings in a long long time.....it backfired on the NCAA folks as well, with 3 PAC-10 teams in the FF, and of those three only one has any serious fan base and they are 1,000 miles away from Long Beach. Too bad about U$C and Stanford, because unless they re-write history, their fan base will be all but non-existent at the Long Beach Arena next week, especially U$C! While the NCAA did do a terrible job at correctly seeding teams, the match-ups they had for three out of the four regional finals were absolutely spectacular. I don't know if I can recall a year where the regional finals all had such drama and intensity.
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Post by cbrown1709 on Dec 12, 2004 1:13:35 GMT -5
I'm not real sure this proves how bad the seedings were, but it does prove how wide open things were this season. Many teams able to play with everyone. Conferences more competitive and alot of 5-game thrillers. Lets enjoy that their wasn't just 1 team dominating this season. This is by far one of most exciting seasons across the board.
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Post by Gorf on Dec 12, 2004 1:35:03 GMT -5
It just shows that the Pac-10 were not where they should have been in the seeding. Most of the Pac-10 losses were to pac-10 teams. I think someone said it right in one of the other threads "it could be an all Pac-10 Final Four. If UCLA or CAL was in that regional they would have surely made it through. Wow! What a league! Actually, the Pac 10 got a break in the brackets that the Big 10 didn't get. Their 3 top teams we all in different regions while 2 of the Big 10s top 3 teams were in the same region. The Pac 10 has definitely proven they're deserving of still being considered the top conference when it counted so far in the tournament. Washington probably ought to have been a #1 seed, and they were treated as a "normal" #1 seed in being able to host their 1st and 2nd round matches. USC, though certainly good enough to have been a #1 seed, there was little chance they woud get it after getting knocked off by Washington State. The way Nebraska had been playing they were pretty much assured of getting a #1 seed, and in being undefeated Hawaii was pretty much a lock as well. Minnesota, Ohio State, Stanford, Texas, and probably even a few others were in position to get the last #1 seed. I was somewhat surprised that Minnesota got it. They weren't treated as a "normal" #1 seed in not being able to host their 1st / 2nd round matches, but they got the first round opponents simiilar to many past #1 seeds. Had USC not lost to Washington State they probably would have gotten one of the #1 seeds though.
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Post by roofed! on Dec 12, 2004 1:44:00 GMT -5
IB, I couldn't agree more with you. This had to be one of the worst seedings in a long long time.....it backfired on the NCAA folks as well, with 3 PAC-10 teams in the FF, and of those three only one has any serious fan base and they are 1,000 miles away from Long Beach. Too bad about U$C and Stanford, because unless they re-write history, their fan base will be all but non-existent at the Long Beach Arena next week, especially U$C! Beachman, maybe you could do something to drum up local LB supporters to come out for the FF. Contact the LB Press Telegram and asks them to write a cover story on hometown girl coming home for the big tourney. Yep, on Dillon. I am sure the LB fans would be proud to support one of their hometown kids, and also adopt USC as the hometown team to cheer on. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2004 2:24:17 GMT -5
The problem was that the Green Bay Regional had no true #1 seed, whereas it could be argued that the other three had two EACH.
Minnesota, OSU, PSU, USC, Washington, Nebraska were all legitimate #1s.
What threw it off? Hawaii.
I'm sorry if this rubs some people the wrong way, but it's the truth. OSU would have beaten Stanford.
As for Penn State, they flopped.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2004 3:40:20 GMT -5
Go to sleep you hater.... It really helped that Minn and Wash. were at home or else they both would have gone down. Same goes with Wis. How does a team with 5 loses (one to a team with a losing record) deserve to get a number 1 seed over a team that was undefeated..
OH YEAH Penn State flopped, at least Hawaii went down with a fight at the hhome of the team that beat them.
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