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Post by gibbyb1 on Nov 10, 2019 21:59:11 GMT -5
Like you wrote - not sure what statements to parse out as important or if anything said on Sunday is important to the final? But Wisconsin going 20-0 or 19-1 in the Big Ten would probably trump Baylor going 14-2 in the Big 12. But if Baylor beats Texas - then it could easily be Baylor #1. And then how will Stanford be handled if they go 18-2 - hard to see them not being a regional seed. BTW, I didn't go strictly by the RPI Futures/Pablo projections. And I was also mostly interested in seeing what kind of drive-in scenarios there will be more so than who will be the seeds and what seed #. If I was Baylor and this was pretty much the futures, I’d probably say a big f you to the committee on live television if Wisconsin was seeded higher. They’d have done everything right per the selection criteria- winning a strong non conference, losses to only the #1 overall team, a win against Wisconsin @ Wisconsin (and it wasn’t that close), a higher RPI, fewer losses, more top 25 wins.... I mean dang. Maybe someone on the committee should look at the big 10 and think that if Wisconsin can do that well, maybe the Big 10 isn’t as strong. I mean, Stanford and Washington are 5-1 against Wisconsin, Minnesota, Penn State, Illinois, Nebraska this season....just sayin. I don’t disagree but when the Baylor win over Wisconsin happened could factor. Teams are SO different now than they were in first couple weeks. Regardless where they are seeded I’d like Wisconsin over Baylor in December.
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Post by raian13 on Nov 10, 2019 22:38:12 GMT -5
I would rather Hawai’i be in Pitt’s regional than Stanford’s.
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Post by ay2013 on Nov 10, 2019 23:24:14 GMT -5
I would rather Hawai’i be in Pitt’s regional than Stanford’s. You and everyone else in the field (rolls eyes)
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Post by WahineFan44 on Nov 10, 2019 23:29:51 GMT -5
I rather Hawaii be unseeded and face penn state than play Lanier in the second round (assuming Hawaii gets past the first round). Lanier scares me and she should scare any team she faces in the tournament
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Post by raian13 on Nov 10, 2019 23:30:22 GMT -5
I would rather Hawai’i be in Pitt’s regional than Stanford’s. You and everyone else in the field (rolls eyes) Hmm, Hawaii has been sent to face the same teams almost every year: Washington, Minnesota, Penn State, USC. I don’t mind them being sent to a new territory.
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Post by raian13 on Nov 10, 2019 23:31:52 GMT -5
I rather Hawaii be unseeded and face penn state than play Lanier in the second round (assuming Hawaii gets past the first round). Lanier scares me and she should scare any team she faces in the tournament Right, when we had Taylor they even went to 5.
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Post by ay2013 on Nov 10, 2019 23:57:34 GMT -5
You and everyone else in the field (rolls eyes) Hmm, Hawaii has been sent to face the same teams almost every year: Washington, Minnesota, Penn State, USC. I don’t mind them being sent to a new territory. Doesn't seem like it to me..... in the last 8 years Hawaii has been slated for the following regionals: 2018- Minnesota Regional 2017- Penn State Regional 2016- Minnesota Regional 2015- UNI Regional 2014- Washington Regoinal 2013- USC Regional 2012- Nebraska Regional 2011- Hawaii Regional Sooooo........ seems like all of the likely regionals this year (Texas, Baylor, Stanford, Wisconsin, Pitt) are new territory for the Wahine.
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Post by ay2013 on Nov 11, 2019 0:03:49 GMT -5
If I was Baylor and this was pretty much the futures, I’d probably say a big f you to the committee on live television if Wisconsin was seeded higher. They’d have done everything right per the selection criteria- winning a strong non conference, losses to only the #1 overall team, a win against Wisconsin @ Wisconsin (and it wasn’t that close), a higher RPI, fewer losses, more top 25 wins.... I mean dang. Maybe someone on the committee should look at the big 10 and think that if Wisconsin can do that well, maybe the Big 10 isn’t as strong. I mean, Stanford and Washington are 5-1 against Wisconsin, Minnesota, Penn State, Illinois, Nebraska this season....just sayin. I don’t disagree but when the Baylor win over Wisconsin happened could factor. Teams are SO different now than they were in first couple weeks. Regardless where they are seeded I’d like Wisconsin over Baylor in December. But then that still deserves a live F you. Teams don't really have non conference matches later in the season prior to the tournament. While I agree with you that teams are different, that's not really something the committee has the tools capable of evaluating. If Baylor rolls into selection Sunday with losses only to the #1 overall seed, that doesn't mean they wouldn't beat everyone else in the country. And they have proven the ability to beat Wisconsin, regardless of when it happened. I'm just saying that if Baylor rolls into selection Sunday with fewer losses (and those losses only coming to the #1 team), more wins over top 25 opponents, a higher rpi, and a head to head win over Wisconsin, but get seed below Wisconsin, that deserves a giant uproar from the VT community because it will mean that the only thing that actually matters come selection time is that teams are lucky enough to play in the Big 10.
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 11, 2019 0:42:16 GMT -5
Hmm, Hawaii has been sent to face the same teams almost every year: Washington, Minnesota, Penn State, USC. I don’t mind them being sent to a new territory. Doesn't seem like it to me..... in the last 8 years Hawaii has been slated for the following regionals: 2018- Minnesota Regional 2017- Penn State Regional 2016- Minnesota Regional 2015- UNI Regional 2014- Washington Regoinal 2013- USC Regional 2012- Nebraska Regional 2011- Hawaii Regional Sooooo........ seems like all of the likely regionals this year (Texas, Baylor, Stanford, Wisconsin, Pitt) are new territory for the Wahine. I think the comment was more about sub-regionals.
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Post by ay2013 on Nov 11, 2019 1:18:17 GMT -5
Doesn't seem like it to me..... in the last 8 years Hawaii has been slated for the following regionals: 2018- Minnesota Regional 2017- Penn State Regional 2016- Minnesota Regional 2015- UNI Regional 2014- Washington Regoinal 2013- USC Regional 2012- Nebraska Regional 2011- Hawaii Regional Sooooo........ seems like all of the likely regionals this year (Texas, Baylor, Stanford, Wisconsin, Pitt) are new territory for the Wahine. I think the comment was more about sub-regionals. Well the original comment was "I would rather Hawai’i be in Pitt’s regional than Stanford’s"...not sure how that implies sub-regional, but, If that was the case, considering Hawaii is in a decent position to host a sub regional themselves, I don't see them going *anywhere* in the sub regional, and I certainly don't see Pitt and Hawaii being in the same sub regional. That's pretty much a NON starter.
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Post by HawaiiVB on Nov 11, 2019 1:42:06 GMT -5
I don't care what regional Hawai'i gets, as long as we get to host the 1st and 2nd rd.
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Post by huskerrob on Nov 11, 2019 5:29:07 GMT -5
If Penn State wins at Illinois next week (big if IMO), takes care of the easy teams then loses both to Minny and Wisky, they would probably be 2-6 vs RPI top 25 and add another 4 top 50 wins. Wonder if the committee would consider the fact that all of their losses are to likely top 8 seeds. PSU is pretty clearly one of the best 16 teams in the country but man, they got totally screwed by the BiG schedule this year, getting Purdue, Minny, Nebraska and Michigan only once, while getting the only top team that they can’t beat twice. Add to that the fact that Wichita State and Oregon are so unexpectedly embarrassing this year. Not getting seeded wouldn’t be the end of the world though, I can’t imagine they’d be sent to Pitt so they’d probably get an easier host that they’ll be 50/50 favored against. seriously? 9 out of last 10 go to Huskers & you think the only thing missing for Penn St. to prove they are the better team is a 2nd match because it would be a home match for them? IF there is a team Penn St. CAN'T beat...I would think the record stands for itself and that would be Nebraska, for which you would think it is a good thing they only face Huskers 1 time this year. Wisc just dropped one to Ohio St....I would think that is the team you would want a 2nd chance game with...but what do I know
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Post by huskerrob on Nov 11, 2019 5:41:49 GMT -5
I'd probably guess the following seeds as of now: a few caveats: Texas beats Baylor again, Stanford wins out (Plummer is back), Utah beats Washington, at least one of USC/UCLA stays in the top 25, Marquette/Creighton split 1-1, Penn State drops both against Minnesota and Wisconsin, Minnesota beats Wisconsin, Nebraska drops both against Minnesota and Wisconsin, Kentucky/Florida/A&M continue to suck and produce split results: 1- Texas 8- Nebraska 9- Florida 16- Utah 2- Baylor 7- Washington 10- Marquette 15- BYU 3- Stanford 6- Minnesota 11- Kentucky 14- Texas A&M 4- Pitt 5- Wisconsin 12- Hawaii 13- Creighton Generally speaking, you are suppose to learn from history. Betting against Nebraska in Nov & Dec is historically a bad move...doing it twice in the same month...silly Of all the predictions possibilities why ignore trends & tendencies?
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Post by huskerrob on Nov 11, 2019 5:46:08 GMT -5
Here is my bracket as of tonight. Last 5 in: Illinois, South Carolina, Pepperdine, Villanova, & Ohio State. Last 3 out: SMU, Green Bay, VCU. Conference tournament upsets will probably move this a bit. Rice, Utah just out on the seed. 1. Baylor, Stephen F. Austin, Washington State, Prairie View A&M 16. Creighton, Missouri, Iowa State, South Dakota 9. Nebraska, Colorado State, Northern Iowa, Northern Colorado 8. Kentucky, Purdue, Wright State, Morehead State 5. Stanford, UCSB, Pepperdine, Albany 12. Hawaii, USC, Georgia, Princeton 13. Texas A&M, Rice, Oklahoma, New Mexico State 4. Wisconsin, UCLA, Notre Dame, Howard 3. Pittsburgh, Louisville, Michigan, Robert Morris 14. Penn State, Villanova, Dayton, Towson 11. Marquette, Cincinnati, Illinois, Miami-OH 6. Washington, Western Kentucky, Ohio State, Winthrop 7. Minnesota, San Diego, South Carolina, Samford 10. Florida, UCF, Florida State, Florida Gulf Coast 15. BYU, Utah, Cal Poly, American 2. Texas, Cal, Texas State, Fairfield This isn't even possible...rule specifically states no 2 teams from the same conference can play each other in their first two matches of the tournament
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Post by ay2013 on Nov 11, 2019 6:05:25 GMT -5
I'd probably guess the following seeds as of now: a few caveats: Texas beats Baylor again, Stanford wins out (Plummer is back), Utah beats Washington, at least one of USC/UCLA stays in the top 25, Marquette/Creighton split 1-1, Penn State drops both against Minnesota and Wisconsin, Minnesota beats Wisconsin, Nebraska drops both against Minnesota and Wisconsin, Kentucky/Florida/A&M continue to suck and produce split results: 1- Texas 8- Nebraska 9- Florida 16- Utah 2- Baylor 7- Washington 10- Marquette 15- BYU 3- Stanford 6- Minnesota 11- Kentucky 14- Texas A&M 4- Pitt 5- Wisconsin 12- Hawaii 13- Creighton Generally speaking, you are suppose to learn from history. Betting against Nebraska in Nov & Dec is historically a bad move...doing it twice in the same month...silly Of all the predictions possibilities why ignore trends & tendencies? Silly me, I thought Foecke had graduated.
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