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Post by asdf27 on Dec 13, 2023 21:44:10 GMT -5
IMO I don’t think Texas needs the “flashiest” setter bc of the hitters that we recruit. Our pins and middles more often that not are able to adjust to iffy sets and go OTT so I think that as long as swindle can be consistent and as we have seen this year already she’s improving a lot I think that she’ll get the respect she deserves in the future I think that’s one of the biggest issues we’ve had over the years that’s made it difficult for Texas to win the natty — we just don’t have a high caliber setter. Collins, Gabriel, Shook, and now Swindle just aren’t elite setters. I’d probably bucket SKT with them as well, but luckily SKT had Eggleston, Skinner, Fleck, O’Neal, and Caffey that helped us get that title. All great setters in their own way, but I think wouldn’t say they had the full package of a 1st team AA setter. Collins was was an AA her senior year and have other honors as well and tbh had way less talented hitters the second half of her career. I think once Swindle is fully healthy and makes better improvements she’ll be an AA
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Post by blackiechan1999 on Dec 13, 2023 21:48:41 GMT -5
I think that’s one of the biggest issues we’ve had over the years that’s made it difficult for Texas to win the natty — we just don’t have a high caliber setter. Collins, Gabriel, Shook, and now Swindle just aren’t elite setters. I’d probably bucket SKT with them as well, but luckily SKT had Eggleston, Skinner, Fleck, O’Neal, and Caffey that helped us get that title. All great setters in their own way, but I think wouldn’t say they had the full package of a 1st team AA setter. Collins was was an AA her senior year and have other honors as well and tbh had way less talented hitters the second half of her career. I think once Swindle is fully healthy and makes better improvements she’ll be an AA She has improved so much already, and it needs to be remembered that she's playing through injury; what a fighter!
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Post by slxpress on Dec 13, 2023 21:52:04 GMT -5
IMO I don’t think Texas needs the “flashiest” setter bc of the hitters that we recruit. Our pins and middles more often that not are able to adjust to iffy sets and go OTT so I think that as long as swindle can be consistent and as we have seen this year already she’s improving a lot I think that she’ll get the respect she deserves in the future I think that’s one of the biggest issues we’ve had over the years that’s made it difficult for Texas to win the natty — we just don’t have a high caliber setter. Collins, Gabriel, Shook, and now Swindle just aren’t elite setters. I’d probably bucket SKT with them as well, but luckily SKT had Eggleston, Skinner, Fleck, O’Neal, and Caffey that helped us get that title. All great setters in their own way, but I think wouldn’t say they had the full package of a 1st team AA setter. I guess I’d say if Gabriel had been 6’3 Texas would be 2021 national champions (spring). That’s not fair to Kentucky because they were an amazing team, but I think Gabriel was actually really good. She was just 5’6 and really good. Kentucky absolutely abused her on the front row. I also think SKT was an elite college setter. The goal is to win national championships. Not the smoothest setter award.
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Post by widdledumpling on Dec 13, 2023 21:52:43 GMT -5
I think that’s one of the biggest issues we’ve had over the years that’s made it difficult for Texas to win the natty — we just don’t have a high caliber setter. Collins, Gabriel, Shook, and now Swindle just aren’t elite setters. I’d probably bucket SKT with them as well, but luckily SKT had Eggleston, Skinner, Fleck, O’Neal, and Caffey that helped us get that title. All great setters in their own way, but I think wouldn’t say they had the full package of a 1st team AA setter. Collins was was an AA her senior year and have other honors as well and tbh had way less talented hitters the second half of her career. I think once Swindle is fully healthy and makes better improvements she’ll be an AA A common theme that was talked about with Shook is that she was good in practice, but would get very flustered under pressure and couldn't pull herself out of it as well as she needed to. Something similar may have happened with Nebraska's Orr--she was all-world, tore her ACL, and then was apparently fantastic in practice. I recall Cook saying she pulled off things in practice he'd never seen before. Then of course in games she was just never able to find her stride. Swindle looks cool as a cucumber out there even when things aren't going well, and is obviously super locked in. She's doing this as a freshman and while battling a chronic lower leg or foot injury. She has already improved a lot from the beginning of the season, which I don't think happened with either of the other two setters. I'm a big fan.
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Post by saxetvolley on Dec 14, 2023 0:43:24 GMT -5
I think that’s one of the biggest issues we’ve had over the years that’s made it difficult for Texas to win the natty — we just don’t have a high caliber setter. Collins, Gabriel, Shook, and now Swindle just aren’t elite setters. I’d probably bucket SKT with them as well, but luckily SKT had Eggleston, Skinner, Fleck, O’Neal, and Caffey that helped us get that title. All great setters in their own way, but I think wouldn’t say they had the full package of a 1st team AA setter. I guess I’d say if Gabriel had been 6’3 Texas would be 2021 national champions (spring). That’s not fair to Kentucky because they were an amazing team, but I think Gabriel was actually really good. She was just 5’6 and really good. Kentucky absolutely abused her on the front row. I also think SKT was an elite college setter. The goal is to win national championships. Not the smoothest setter award. I guess all I’m trying to say is that Texas needs a setter that is elite enough to be recognized as a First team AA. When was the last time we had that? We had the same issue at libero for the longest time until Fleck. I think Halter has potential to be a 1st team AA hopefully by her Junior or Senior year, so JE has made progress there but not so much for our setters..yet. Swindle is great and holding up fine, and like an earlier poster said, with the pins we recruit we don’t necessarily need the flashiest or best setter, but I sure would love one that has the capability to be first team.
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Post by horns1 on Dec 14, 2023 0:52:09 GMT -5
Swindle is officially Shook 2.0. She’s just not elite whatsoever. Your post in the Tennessee match thread shows everyone exactly how you feel about Swindle . . .
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Post by saxetvolley on Dec 14, 2023 0:59:28 GMT -5
Swindle is officially Shook 2.0. She’s just not elite whatsoever. Your post in the Tennessee match thread shows everyone exactly how you feel about Swindle . . . Still stand by it. I don’t think she’s elite, which I’ve said several times today, so what’s your point? Wanting more attention because you don’t get any of it from anyone outside of VT? Lol
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Post by saxetvolley on Dec 14, 2023 1:01:06 GMT -5
Swindle is officially Shook 2.0. She’s just not elite whatsoever. Your post in the Tennessee match thread shows everyone exactly how you feel about Swindle . . . You also probably don’t play volleyball or any sports being the keyboard warrior you are, so you have much lower standards and expectations. Plain and simple.
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Post by nederlander on Dec 14, 2023 1:27:02 GMT -5
Swindle needs to get more credit for her all around production and composure on the court. How many freshmen setters are going to come in to start at a place like Texas and be elite ball distributors from the start? That’s not a fair expectation. Bergen Reilly is a unicorn in that aspect, but Swindle matches or exceeds her in defense and serving. Swindle’s got three more seasons to continue to develop as the QB on offense. We’ve seen a lot of that already this year.
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Post by diggerdive on Dec 14, 2023 1:44:24 GMT -5
My joy as a kid was studying obsessively hundreds of times the techniques of setters like Debbie Green, Nancy Reno, Laurel Kessel, Ruth Lawanson, Mary Jo Peppler in particular - to a lesser extent Teri Debusk. These were the best setters of the day.
Chloe Collins, without a doubt, was elite in every way. She reminded mostly of Debbie Green in terms of speed and rhythm. What she lacked in height she made up for in ability and skill. Gabriel was just a notch below. Everyone else has been very good and/or good enough. Watching Ella - she reminds me of a young Carlini - I’m really looking forward to her growth (I wasn’t so sure early on).
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Post by houstonbear15 on Dec 14, 2023 1:45:25 GMT -5
I guess I’d say if Gabriel had been 6’3 Texas would be 2021 national champions (spring). That’s not fair to Kentucky because they were an amazing team, but I think Gabriel was actually really good. She was just 5’6 and really good. Kentucky absolutely abused her on the front row. I also think SKT was an elite college setter. The goal is to win national championships. Not the smoothest setter award. I guess all I’m trying to say is that Texas needs a setter that is elite enough to be recognized as a First team AA. When was the last time we had that? We had the same issue at libero for the longest time until Fleck. I think Halter has potential to be a 1st team AA hopefully by her Junior or Senior year, so JE has made progress there but not so much for our setters..yet. Swindle is great and holding up fine, and like an earlier poster said, with the pins we recruit we don’t necessarily need the flashiest or best setter, but I sure would love one that has the capability to be first team. They need that to do what exactly though? Win their conference? Make it to the Final Four? Swindle has not seemed to hold this team back at all. I feel like posters like slxpress appreciate Swindle for the same reason I appreciated Hannah Lockin. May not be the best technical setter, but does enough to set up the hitters she has while still making an impact in other areas of the game with her physicality. With someone like Carlson, sure the offense may get slightly more efficient, but that's not without a cost. That would mean you are losing blocking and attacking from the setter position as a tradeoff. If JE really were to give up on Swindle after this season, it would say a lot about his trust in his own ability to develop talent at the setting position.
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Post by saxetvolley on Dec 14, 2023 1:49:28 GMT -5
Swindle needs to get more credit for her all around production and composure on the court. How many freshmen setters are going to come in to start at a place like Texas and be elite ball distributors from the start? That’s not a fair expectation. Bergen Reilly is a unicorn in that aspect, but Swindle matches or exceeds her in defense and serving. Swindle’s got three more seasons to continue to develop as the QB on offense. We’ve seen a lot of that already this year. I give her credit and am rooting for her (especially as a Texas fan), but you have to take into context that a lot of Texas fans feel this way about Swindle for a reason. We’ve had high hopes for a top freshman recruit setter to come in and takeover, but haven’t quite landed one yet. Shook was eventually replaced by a walk-on and Cabello transferred to a program where she’s running a 6-2. While Swindle is certainly more promising than the previous two, she has similar issues (e.g., set location). Also, I don’t think people would have even mentioned Carlson in this thread as a possible transfer if Texas was that confident in Swindle. So yeah, not everyone seems to be shutting down the idea of a possible setter transfer..
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Post by saxetvolley on Dec 14, 2023 2:02:07 GMT -5
I think that’s one of the biggest issues we’ve had over the years that’s made it difficult for Texas to win the natty — we just don’t have a high caliber setter. Collins, Gabriel, Shook, and now Swindle just aren’t elite setters. I’d probably bucket SKT with them as well, but luckily SKT had Eggleston, Skinner, Fleck, O’Neal, and Caffey that helped us get that title. All great setters in their own way, but I think wouldn’t say they had the full package of a 1st team AA setter. Collins was was an AA her senior year and have other honors as well and tbh had way less talented hitters the second half of her career. I think once Swindle is fully healthy and makes better improvements she’ll be an AA My fault. You’re absolutely right. Collins had nice hands with consistent set location and was quick on her feet where she’d still be able to get to a bad pass off the net and set with 2 hands. It was her height (similar to Gabriel) that gave us problems. As for Swindle, I hope so. She has the height (and an offensive threat) we’ve been all waiting for in a setter, but now we need the finesse. With the track record we’ve had, I’m not as sold… yet.
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Post by longhorn9214 on Dec 14, 2023 16:22:27 GMT -5
Carlson just followed TCU Volleyball today.
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Post by longhorn9214 on Dec 14, 2023 16:22:58 GMT -5
It's a MOVE for sure if she goes there.
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