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Post by eyeroll2021 on Dec 24, 2023 19:51:31 GMT -5
how much you wanna bet Ally B is booted to open up a schollie lol I think they’ll have a few open since CJ and little Kubik are also leaving they were already short 2 scholarships for next year- 12 this year, nobody graduating and 2 scholarship players incoming
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Post by eyeroll2021 on Dec 24, 2023 19:52:19 GMT -5
That's a super interesting situation to watch, because her leaving means that team only has 2 MBs on the roster, and because she was on Bball scholarship there is no scholarship available to find a replacement MB how much you wanna bet Ally B is booted to open up a schollie lol Orr incredibly grateful there isn't another setter to spare
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Post by jwvolley on Dec 24, 2023 19:53:38 GMT -5
I think they’ll have a few open since CJ and little Kubik are also leaving they were already short 2 scholarships for next year- 12 this year, nobody graduating and 2 scholarship players incoming I already mentioned this, but with Ames flipping there are no longer two scholarship players coming in. Olivia is not on scholarship to begin with.
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Post by austinhorn21 on Dec 24, 2023 20:05:06 GMT -5
Nebraska's pitch for that 2026 battle should be 5 words: Cari Spears Abby Vander Wal Henley Anderson will be a longhorn lol this 💯
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Post by medusa on Dec 24, 2023 20:23:37 GMT -5
Is Devin K on scholarship.
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Post by eyeroll2021 on Dec 24, 2023 20:37:47 GMT -5
Is Devin K on scholarship. yes
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Post by hornfanaustin on Dec 24, 2023 21:18:44 GMT -5
At another team's site, which I won't get into, there is a basketball/volleyball player who has the primary scholarship in basketball. This player has entered the transfer portal and one of the commentators said, "Well, she's got to play out the end of the year right? Or she's got to refund the school for her scholarship if she leaves now"
I was SO tempted to leave a comment, after I finished laughing. But, my better angels said to shut my trap and mock them on our own thread.
I actually have a question about this…please forgive me if it’s dumb but I know nothing about it. I’m not understanding how this isn’t looked at like cheating? The player did not redshirt in volleyball but I guess did(?) redshirt in bball but has now quit the team and is not finishing up the bball season. Is that not gaming the system? *I am NOT accusing the school of doing it on purpose, I understand it’s all happening because the athlete is transferring* Actually, the commenter on the other thread asked what seemed a dumb question, but isn't, but is.
First, the dual sport player was on scholarship for basketball, but also was on the volleyball team. There's a rule somewhere that forces the player on those two sports to be declared a basketball scholarship player (I don't know the nuances of this).
Thus, when the commenter asked, "doesn't she have to pay back part of her scholarship for leaving early?" it breaks down into two cases. Either the person thought that this player was on a volleyball scholarship (which she wasn't) and then was asking if the player leaving in the portal had to pay for the "room and board" she got while playing volleyball for the team, which she did. Then, this person is at incorrect because the volleyball player was playing volleyball "for free" while on a basketball scholarship.
Then, if the commenter was asking "doesn't she have to pay back part of her [basketball] scholarship for leaving early?" (because basketball has like 80% of it's upcoming season in 2024), then they are wrong on two points. First, the player in question played ZERO basketball games because she was......drum roll please......playing volleyball (for free!).
Second, OF COURSE NOT! If you leave a school where you were getting a scholarship you don't pay back the school if you leave early.
If you got an academic scholarship and you quit school in the middle of the year, you don't have to pay back that academic scholarship. There is no "pro-rating" in scholarships.
She was wrong either way. But mostly the chuckling was over the fact that you have to pay back a scholarship. Also, scholarships are year-to-year. You don't have to pay back "future" monies that were never given to you.
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Post by stevehorn on Dec 24, 2023 22:19:50 GMT -5
I actually have a question about this…please forgive me if it’s dumb but I know nothing about it. I’m not understanding how this isn’t looked at like cheating? The player did not redshirt in volleyball but I guess did(?) redshirt in bball but has now quit the team and is not finishing up the bball season. Is that not gaming the system? *I am NOT accusing the school of doing it on purpose, I understand it’s all happening because the athlete is transferring* Actually, the commenter on the other thread asked what seemed a dumb question, but isn't, but is.
First, the dual sport player was on scholarship for basketball, but also was on the volleyball team. There's a rule somewhere that forces the player on those two sports to be declared a basketball scholarship player (I don't know the nuances of this).
Thus, when the commenter asked, "doesn't she have to pay back part of her scholarship for leaving early?" it breaks down into two cases. Either the person thought that this player was on a volleyball scholarship (which she wasn't) and then was asking if the player leaving in the portal had to pay for the "room and board" she got while playing volleyball for the team, which she did. Then, this person is at incorrect because the volleyball player was playing volleyball "for free" while on a basketball scholarship.
Then, if the commenter was asking "doesn't she have to pay back part of her [basketball] scholarship for leaving early?" (because basketball has like 80% of it's upcoming season in 2024), then they are wrong on two points. First, the player in question played ZERO basketball games because she was......drum roll please......playing volleyball (for free!).
Second, OF COURSE NOT! If you leave a school where you were getting a scholarship you don't pay back the school if you leave early.
If you got an academic scholarship and you quit school in the middle of the year, you don't have to pay back that academic scholarship. There is no "pro-rating" in scholarships.
She was wrong either way. But mostly the chuckling was over the fact that you have to pay back a scholarship. Also, scholarships are year-to-year. You don't have to pay back "future" monies that were never given to you.
Add some additional info to your answers. Asking about the nuances of rules about what sport is "charged" the scholarship for a two sport athlete, the NCAA has a pre-determined order for men's sports and an order for women's sports. Therefore it is not decided by the school nor decided on a case by case basis. The top two for men are football, then basketball. For women it's basketball, then volleyball. That is why the Nebraska player was on a basketball scholarship. This continues as long as the player continues to play both sports. In this situation if the player decided to quit basketball, they would have to go on a volleyball scholarship. You are correct that athletic scholarships are for the entire regular academic year even if they quit the sport at some point as long as they remain in school and fulfill academic requirements. Even if they quit the sport and school during the middle of the fall semester, they don't have to "pay back" the portion of the scholarship that has already been paid. With that said, the portal rule did create one exception to the previous statement. If a player enters the portal, they have to remain on scholarship through the current semester. However the school is allowed to pull the scholarship for the next semester. In practical terms, that means that if a player enters the portal during the fall semester or between the fall & spring semester, a school is allowed to pull their ship for the spring semester. Realistically, I've never heard of a school pulling a ship in that situation.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Dec 24, 2023 22:43:45 GMT -5
Actually, the commenter on the other thread asked what seemed a dumb question, but isn't, but is. First, the dual sport player was on scholarship for basketball, but also was on the volleyball team. There's a rule somewhere that forces the player on those two sports to be declared a basketball scholarship player (I don't know the nuances of this). Thus, when the commenter asked, "doesn't she have to pay back part of her scholarship for leaving early?" it breaks down into two cases. Either the person thought that this player was on a volleyball scholarship (which she wasn't) and then was asking if the player leaving in the portal had to pay for the "room and board" she got while playing volleyball for the team, which she did. Then, this person is at incorrect because the volleyball player was playing volleyball "for free" while on a basketball scholarship. Then, if the commenter was asking "doesn't she have to pay back part of her [basketball] scholarship for leaving early?" (because basketball has like 80% of it's upcoming season in 2024), then they are wrong on two points. First, the player in question played ZERO basketball games because she was......drum roll please......playing volleyball (for free!). Second, OF COURSE NOT! If you leave a school where you were getting a scholarship you don't pay back the school if you leave early. If you got an academic scholarship and you quit school in the middle of the year, you don't have to pay back that academic scholarship. There is no "pro-rating" in scholarships. She was wrong either way. But mostly the chuckling was over the fact that you have to pay back a scholarship. Also, scholarships are year-to-year. You don't have to pay back "future" monies that were never given to you.
Add some additional info to your answers. Asking about the nuances of rules about what sport is "charged" the scholarship for a two sport athlete, the NCAA has a pre-determined order for men's sports and an order for women's sports. Therefore it is not decided by the school nor decided on a case by case basis. The top two for men are football, then basketball. For women it's basketball, then volleyball. That is why the Nebraska player was on a basketball scholarship. This continues as long as the player continues to play both sports. In this situation if the player decided to quit basketball, they would have to go on a volleyball scholarship. You are correct that athletic scholarships are for the entire regular academic year even if they quit the sport at some point as long as they remain in school and fulfill academic requirements. Even if they quit the sport and school during the middle of the fall semester, they don't have to "pay back" the portion of the scholarship that has already been paid. With that said, the portal rule did create one exception to the previous statement. If a player enters the portal, they have to remain on scholarship through the current semester. However the school is allowed to pull the scholarship for the next semester. In practical terms, that means that if a player enters the portal during the fall semester or between the fall & spring semester, a school is allowed to pull their ship for the spring semester. Realistically, I've never heard of a school pulling a ship in that situation. Wouldn’t the bigger question be whether Nebraska incorrectly counted her on basketball considering she wasn’t part of the basketball team this year?
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Post by stevehorn on Dec 24, 2023 23:04:14 GMT -5
Add some additional info to your answers. Asking about the nuances of rules about what sport is "charged" the scholarship for a two sport athlete, the NCAA has a pre-determined order for men's sports and an order for women's sports. Therefore it is not decided by the school nor decided on a case by case basis. The top two for men are football, then basketball. For women it's basketball, then volleyball. That is why the Nebraska player was on a basketball scholarship. This continues as long as the player continues to play both sports. In this situation if the player decided to quit basketball, they would have to go on a volleyball scholarship. You are correct that athletic scholarships are for the entire regular academic year even if they quit the sport at some point as long as they remain in school and fulfill academic requirements. Even if they quit the sport and school during the middle of the fall semester, they don't have to "pay back" the portion of the scholarship that has already been paid. With that said, the portal rule did create one exception to the previous statement. If a player enters the portal, they have to remain on scholarship through the current semester. However the school is allowed to pull the scholarship for the next semester. In practical terms, that means that if a player enters the portal during the fall semester or between the fall & spring semester, a school is allowed to pull their ship for the spring semester. Realistically, I've never heard of a school pulling a ship in that situation. Wouldn’t the bigger question be whether Nebraska incorrectly counted her on basketball considering she wasn’t part of the basketball team this year? She is listed on Nebraska's basketball roster so they considered her part of the team up to now. I would say if she has practiced with the team or participated in other activities as "team member", she would be considered a team member for the season. There are rules to cover this type of situation, but I don't remember the specifics. What I want to think I remember is that if they started the academic year with her as a two sport athlete, the scholarship counting remains for this academic year even if she quits the ship sport sometime during the year. Of course, it would then change for the following academic year.
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Post by biodogtexas on Dec 25, 2023 1:25:48 GMT -5
Some of ya'll are way overcomplicating things. Athletic scholarships renew every semester. They are not tied to years. Every semester a dual sport athlete is on multiple rosters, their scholarship assignment is evaluated. If a person is on basketball and volleyball teams (as determined by administrative paperwork at the schools) then their scholarship is, by NCAA rule, assigned to basketball. They put this rule in place to stop schools from stashing extra scholarship football players on other teams (more generally, from stashing players for bigger teams on smaller teams). Think beach volleyball and indoor volleyball scholarships. As far as the transfers are concerned, there are 2 aspects. Talking about a player and talking to a player. There are no rules that prevent you from talking about another player. Just think about coaches talking about their opponents in press conferences. You can talk about other players all you want, unlike High school kids. But you are not allowed to communicate with another player while they're at another institution. That's tampering. But as soon as they enter the portal, tampering is nullified and you can talk to them. Transfer athletes don't actually have to sign any athletic paperwork at all. They can just enroll, walk on, and be awarded a scholarship. The ASA serves as a reservation for a scholarship spot. It guarantees the school will accept you and provide aid, but doesn't actually bind the athlete to anything. It's a reservation at a particular school. So think about it like just another form in the application process. You can apply to as many schools as you want. The NLI is actually a commitment from the athlete. It's their notice of intent. That's why kids have to be "let out" of their NLI to go elsewhere. If you're curious you can actually track down the paperwork and see what they say. www.nationalletter.org/index.html
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Post by slxpress on Dec 25, 2023 7:56:35 GMT -5
Some of ya'll are way overcomplicating things. Athletic scholarships renew every semester. They are not tied to years. Every semester a dual sport athlete is on multiple rosters, their scholarship assignment is evaluated. If a person is on basketball and volleyball teams (as determined by administrative paperwork at the schools) then their scholarship is, by NCAA rule, assigned to basketball. They put this rule in place to stop schools from stashing extra scholarship football players on other teams (more generally, from stashing players for bigger teams on smaller teams). Think beach volleyball and indoor volleyball scholarships. As far as the transfers are concerned, there are 2 aspects. Talking about a player and talking to a player. There are no rules that prevent you from talking about another player. Just think about coaches talking about their opponents in press conferences. You can talk about other players all you want, unlike High school kids. But you are not allowed to communicate with another player while they're at another institution. That's tampering. But as soon as they enter the portal, tampering is nullified and you can talk to them. Transfer athletes don't actually have to sign any athletic paperwork at all. They can just enroll, walk on, and be awarded a scholarship. The ASA serves as a reservation for a scholarship spot. It guarantees the school will accept you and provide aid, but doesn't actually bind the athlete to anything. It's a reservation at a particular school. So think about it like just another form in the application process. You can apply to as many schools as you want. The NLI is actually a commitment from the athlete. It's their notice of intent. That's why kids have to be "let out" of their NLI to go elsewhere. If you're curious you can actually track down the paperwork and see what they say. www.nationalletter.org/index.htmlJust a little more context. The act of awarding scholarships to a lesser sport to gain a competitive advantage in a "bigger" sport was specifically started by Miami under Butch Davis as he was trying to accelerate how quickly they could become competitive while under scholarship limitations. They would put a few players under track and field scholarships (which are generally not as good as football). The practice was followed by a couple of other schools, including Alabama, and then the NCAA stepped in with the new rules to prevent it. Not directed at you, but I don't understand the fascination with Mendelson, and that's okay. She's going to transfer to another school. If she plays both basketball and volleyball, it will have to be under a basketball scholarship. She's not going to have to pay anything back. I think most people know this, but Texas recruited her. Elliott thanked Schaefer for all his help in trying to get her to Texas. I don't see it as a good fit or possibility for her to transfer to Texas at this point. I thought she was a bad fit for basketball at the time given the style Schaefer runs.
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Post by kidsker7 on Dec 25, 2023 10:37:17 GMT -5
Actually, the commenter on the other thread asked what seemed a dumb question, but isn't, but is.
First, the dual sport player was on scholarship for basketball, but also was on the volleyball team. There's a rule somewhere that forces the player on those two sports to be declared a basketball scholarship player (I don't know the nuances of this).
Thus, when the commenter asked, "doesn't she have to pay back part of her scholarship for leaving early?" it breaks down into two cases. Either the person thought that this player was on a volleyball scholarship (which she wasn't) and then was asking if the player leaving in the portal had to pay for the "room and board" she got while playing volleyball for the team, which she did. Then, this person is at incorrect because the volleyball player was playing volleyball "for free" while on a basketball scholarship.
Then, if the commenter was asking "doesn't she have to pay back part of her [basketball] scholarship for leaving early?" (because basketball has like 80% of it's upcoming season in 2024), then they are wrong on two points. First, the player in question played ZERO basketball games because she was......drum roll please......playing volleyball (for free!).
Second, OF COURSE NOT! If you leave a school where you were getting a scholarship you don't pay back the school if you leave early.
If you got an academic scholarship and you quit school in the middle of the year, you don't have to pay back that academic scholarship. There is no "pro-rating" in scholarships.
She was wrong either way. But mostly the chuckling was over the fact that you have to pay back a scholarship. Also, scholarships are year-to-year. You don't have to pay back "future" monies that were never given to you.
Add some additional info to your answers. Asking about the nuances of rules about what sport is "charged" the scholarship for a two sport athlete, the NCAA has a pre-determined order for men's sports and an order for women's sports. Therefore it is not decided by the school nor decided on a case by case basis. The top two for men are football, then basketball. For women it's basketball, then volleyball. That is why the Nebraska player was on a basketball scholarship. This continues as long as the player continues to play both sports. In this situation if the player decided to quit basketball, they would have to go on a volleyball scholarship. You are correct that athletic scholarships are for the entire regular academic year even if they quit the sport at some point as long as they remain in school and fulfill academic requirements. Even if they quit the sport and school during the middle of the fall semester, they don't have to "pay back" the portion of the scholarship that has already been paid. With that said, the portal rule did create one exception to the previous statement. If a player enters the portal, they have to remain on scholarship through the current semester. However the school is allowed to pull the scholarship for the next semester. In practical terms, that means that if a player enters the portal during the fall semester or between the fall & spring semester, a school is allowed to pull their ship for the spring semester. Realistically, I've never heard of a school pulling a ship in that situation. I am the commentator from the other thread and I knew that she was on a basketball scholarship. My comment was that I was surprised that she did not stay to play the BB season to honor her commitment. She has received a semester of education with no play for her bb scholarship for this year. She has been paid ahead. I was aware of the must "continue to take classes to not have to pay" as we have seen that in many other sports and in Whitney's case, but the BB players farewells made me think that she was not coming back. I did not know about the portal rule exception. Stevehorn, thank you for the answer.
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Post by kidsker7 on Dec 25, 2023 10:54:17 GMT -5
That does bring up another question. Wouldn't she have had to use the BB portal for that exception since the scholarship is for BB?
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Post by eyeroll2021 on Dec 25, 2023 11:40:11 GMT -5
That does bring up another question. Wouldn't she have had to use the BB portal for that exception since the scholarship is for BB? Not if she's not looking to transfer into a bball program... Speculation is that she is going to focus on VB from now on
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