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Post by lovethis on Dec 9, 2019 7:48:11 GMT -5
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Post by maestro on Dec 9, 2019 7:51:52 GMT -5
{Edited to add quote to clarify because another post was made while I was typing my Quick Reply} It is much more common than that... "Here’s what we do know: If you ask experts at medical centers how often a child is born so noticeably atypical in terms of genitalia that a specialist in sex differentiation is called in, the number comes out to about 1 in 1500 to 1 in 2000 births. But a lot more people than that are born with subtler forms of sex anatomy variations, some of which won’t show up until later in life." Some of these late onset conditions are very common eg "Late onset adrenal hyperplasia one in 66 individuals" But that's not the issue. The issue is: how many of these 1 in 1,500 children who are "born so noticeably atypical in terms of genitalia that a specialist in sex differentiation is called in" would also be incorrectly identified by a test for a Y chromosome? e.g. how many girls who have late onset adrenal hyperplasia also have a Y chromosome (and thus would be unjustly disqualified from participating in women's sports by such a test)?
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Post by volleyball303 on Dec 9, 2019 8:49:27 GMT -5
Good video. Seems like a much bigger issue in other parts of the world than it is here in the US. Video gets into testosterone levels. Many 14 year old boys are faster than many of the women’s track and field world records.
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Post by jcvball22 on Dec 9, 2019 10:49:25 GMT -5
Using the Federalist as a source automatically disqualifies you from any form of validity.
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Post by gunsserguy on Dec 9, 2019 10:58:35 GMT -5
This post confirms that 97% of volleytalkers are 55+ years in age and/or conservative cucks. Smh. There obviously has not been enough studies done on this matter, but even though hormone replacement therapy reduces a large portion of the advantage men have over women, it doesnt negate everything. Bone changes that happen during puberty will not reverse. Men also have faster reflexes than women. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4456887/ This isnt a conservative vs liberal situation. This is a fairplay/competitive advantage issue.
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Post by cindra on Dec 9, 2019 11:05:10 GMT -5
This post confirms that 97% of volleytalkers are 55+ years in age and/or conservative cucks. Smh. There obviously has not been enough studies done on this matter, but even though hormone replacement therapy reduces a large portion of the advantage men have over women, it doesnt negate everything. Bone changes that happen during puberty will not reverse. Men also have faster reflexes than women. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4456887/ This isnt a conservative vs liberal situation. This is a fairplay/competitive advantage issue. This article doesn't consider the effects of HRT, which I believe are in play I every situation mentioned here besides CT high school track.
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Post by stanfordvb on Dec 9, 2019 11:05:18 GMT -5
I must have missed all those stories about trans athletes winning all those women's championships and dominating their sport. Well there aren't a whole lot of them. Watch abreu in the Brazilian pro league. She is dominating teams and playing in the top clubs in the league. Hitting harder than anyone else. New York hs state track was dominated by 2 trans girls, I'm not sure if they are still in hs. Or the handball world championships. Australia had a trans women who was previously on the men's national handball team. She was the MVP and doubled opposing teams score by herself. There are tons of examples, it's just that there are a first of all, not a lot of trans people compared to the regular population, so the likelyhood that you are trans and a top athlete in the world / country is very very slim
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Post by gunsserguy on Dec 9, 2019 11:11:38 GMT -5
There obviously has not been enough studies done on this matter, but even though hormone replacement therapy reduces a large portion of the advantage men have over women, it doesnt negate everything. Bone changes that happen during puberty will not reverse. Men also have faster reflexes than women. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4456887/ This isnt a conservative vs liberal situation. This is a fairplay/competitive advantage issue. This article doesn't consider the effects of HRT, which I believe are in play I every situation mentioned here besides CT high school track. what i was pointing out that its not just physical advantages that men have over women. I doubt that higher levels of estrogen coupled with lower testosterone levels would negate/reverse EVERY advantage a biological male has vs a biological female when it comes to sports.
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Dec 9, 2019 11:21:29 GMT -5
The East German women should get their medals back. They were trend setters in hindsight.
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Post by cindra on Dec 9, 2019 11:25:26 GMT -5
This article doesn't consider the effects of HRT, which I believe are in play I every situation mentioned here besides CT high school track. what i was pointing out that its not just physical advantages that men have over women. I doubt that higher levels of estrogen coupled with lower testosterone levels would negate/reverse EVERY advantage a biological male has vs a biological female when it comes to sports. there's no evidence of that either way. "I doubt" isn't a sufficient statement to ban millions of people globally from competing as women.
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Post by rook on Dec 9, 2019 11:37:07 GMT -5
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Post by jcvball22 on Dec 9, 2019 11:43:28 GMT -5
I read it. And I will peruse the new article you posted. But, there is no peer-reviewed research or studies presented. There is a lot of speculation and quite a few logical fallacies in the article. The Federalist is not a reliable source. I am all for a well-informed and open-minded discussion on the topic. But make it one grounded in fact and objectivity and not sensationalization through poor research and lack of evidence.
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Post by HappyVolley on Dec 9, 2019 11:48:48 GMT -5
what i was pointing out that its not just physical advantages that men have over women. I doubt that higher levels of estrogen coupled with lower testosterone levels would negate/reverse EVERY advantage a biological male has vs a biological female when it comes to sports. there's no evidence of that either way. "I doubt" isn't a sufficient statement to ban millions of people globally from competing as women. Actually there is. It is pretty well documented that HRT cannot fully reverse the effects of the "first" puberty.
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Post by cindra on Dec 9, 2019 11:50:23 GMT -5
The study quoted here is pretty bad. I've read it before, it's a meta analysis of this stuff. The authors clearly come in with an agenda (as is common in meta-analyses). They're taking a sociological argument and attempting to fit studies to it. They don't consider that HRT includes estrogen administration and only cite short-term studies when talking about how testosterone repressors affect muscle mass. It's not good evidence, IMO.
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Post by cindra on Dec 9, 2019 11:50:53 GMT -5
there's no evidence of that either way. "I doubt" isn't a sufficient statement to ban millions of people globally from competing as women. Actually there is. It is pretty well documented that HRT cannot fully reverse the effects of the "first" puberty. I'd love to see it. Do you have studies you can cite?
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