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Post by Boof1224 on Dec 9, 2019 15:02:10 GMT -5
Hey you should feel privileged. For all the talk Nebraska fans do you guys are getting far more coverage. That’s something right?😂😂
Not only are you winning at this point it’s absolute mismatch it should be illegal 😁
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Post by gibbyb1 on Dec 9, 2019 15:05:56 GMT -5
If the coaches who knew she was talking to team didn't think it would help, why did they let her do it?
The part I don't understand is: What does this say about the coach who Bell pushed out of the way to talk to the team? Why didn't Elliot back him over Bell? What does that say about how effective he thinks that coach is (in that situation, at least) compared to Bell?
Not that I'm defending anything Texas did in this situation, or that Elliot let this happen. One of the hardest things to do as a coach is to not over coach. Sometimes the best move is to let the players coach themselves. Not that that is exactly what happened in this instance, but he probably thought this was the right move for his team at that moment. I don't think it speaks to anything about that other coach. Well you are 100% correct about teams taking ownership and the importance of coaches being able to step back and allow that to happen. In this case what he allowed to happen isn’t permissible and he absolutely knows it isn’t.
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Post by volleyjeep on Dec 9, 2019 15:18:03 GMT -5
Not that I'm defending anything Texas did in this situation, or that Elliot let this happen. One of the hardest things to do as a coach is to not over coach. Sometimes the best move is to let the players coach themselves. Not that that is exactly what happened in this instance, but he probably thought this was the right move for his team at that moment. I don't think it speaks to anything about that other coach. Well you are 100% correct about teams taking ownership and the importance of coaches being able to step back and allow that to happen. In this case what he allowed to happen isn’t permissible and he absolutely knows it isn’t. Yes, I have agreed and said as much.
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 9, 2019 15:21:59 GMT -5
There’s no way to know if it impacted outcome or not truely. I mean wasn’t Texas losing before that. It prob didn’t but nobody knows that for sure If the coaches who knew she was talking to team didn't think it would help, why did they let her do it?
The part I don't understand is: What does this say about the coach who Bell pushed out of the way to talk to the team? Why didn't Elliot back him over Bell? What does that say about how effective he thinks that coach is (in that situation, at least) compared to Bell?
Or, more importantly, what does it say about his intent?
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Post by horns1 on Dec 9, 2019 15:25:09 GMT -5
Not only are you winning at this point it’s absolute mismatch it should be illegal 😁
It's not a contest; at least not a close one . . .
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Post by azvb on Dec 9, 2019 15:26:18 GMT -5
Not sure if this is applicable, but remember the hoopla a few years ago when Carl McGown was in the stands with a headset feeding his son info? The NCAA said, nope, can’t do that.
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Post by baytree on Dec 9, 2019 15:38:19 GMT -5
If the coaches who knew she was talking to team didn't think it would help, why did they let her do it?
The part I don't understand is: What does this say about the coach who Bell pushed out of the way to talk to the team? Why didn't Elliot back him over Bell? What does that say about how effective he thinks that coach is (in that situation, at least) compared to Bell?
Or, more importantly, what does it say about his intent? Sorry, I'm not sure what intent you mean. Intent to break the rules? Intent to allow Bell to talk to the team, knowing that her being there was against the rules? Intent to let Bell help the team?
I don't think there's much difference between tacit approval (i.e., not stopping Bell once they knew she was there and talking to the team) and explicit approval (e.g,. Bell getting explicit permission from Elliot to talk to the team). IMO Bell had their approval either way (though they would have had a bit more notice if she got explicit approval from any of the coaches). (AIUI, it makes a difference for you.)
IMO, either way, at least some of the coaches were aware of the situation and approved of it bc they thought it would help the team (or at least help more than anything they could say). They knew she shouldn't be there but allowed it to gain an advantage.
I hope the NCAA puts a penalty in the rule book. It's not a capital offense. It's not like using ringers, etc. but it's an advantage. As others have said, it's unlikely that a visiting team could do that.
If it's ok to do that, I hope Lydia Bai starts attending Stanford VB and brings her mom occasionally. Kerri Walsh Jennings can give "inspirational" speeches to the beach vb players.
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Post by dc on Dec 9, 2019 16:13:04 GMT -5
If the coaches who knew she was talking to team didn't think it would help, why did they let her do it?
The part I don't understand is: What does this say about the coach who Bell pushed out of the way to talk to the team? Why didn't Elliot back him over Bell? What does that say about how effective he thinks that coach is (in that situation, at least) compared to Bell?
Not that I'm defending anything Texas did in this situation, or that Elliot let this happen. One of the hardest things to do as a coach is to not over coach. Sometimes the best move is to let the players coach themselves. Not that that is exactly what happened in this instance, but he probably thought this was the right move for his team at that moment. I don't think it speaks to anything about that other coach. I think, to me, that is very close to the crux of the matter. Except instead of "Not that that is exactly what happened in this instance," I would say "that is exactly NOT what happened in this instance". She is NOT on the team anymore. That's what makes it so bizarre and wrong and interesting and leads to a 30 or 40 page thread. Also, what makes it a 30 or 40 page thread is the apparent lack of any Texas fan who will admit to even any possibility that a transgression took place
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Post by stevehorn on Dec 9, 2019 16:27:49 GMT -5
It's not a big deal but wrong is wrong. So you think its okay for anyone to come out of the stands and enter a teams huddle? Exactly. What conversation would we be having if Texas continued to struggle and during a timeout some idiot who saw Khat decided that they would do the same thing, but send a message to the OTHER huddle. Another thing that really bugs me (and this is not at all restricted to Texas) is when there is no separation between the server and the fans. I don't think that should ever be allowed, but especially in a rivalry or a playoff match. There should always be a barrier of some kind so that both teams can comfortably serve from the same depth. Then you have barriers that the players can run into when they are chasing a ball outside the court.
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Post by tomclen on Dec 9, 2019 16:32:18 GMT -5
I think this is being so overplayed bc everyone hates Texas. It's amusing to see several posters suggest that this has been blown out of proportion because it involves Texas. If this was Russ Rose and PSU, it would be just as big. Every bit as big if it had been Wisconsin or Stanford. If it was Nebraska, ProBoards servers would have melted by now.
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Post by baytree on Dec 9, 2019 16:52:09 GMT -5
I think this is being so overplayed bc everyone hates Texas. It's amusing to see several posters suggest that this has been blown out of proportion because it involves Texas. If this was Russ Rose and PSU, it would be just as big. Every bit as big if it had been Wisconsin or Stanford. If it was Nebraska, ProBoards servers would have melted by now. As they should. Let's face it: the rules are there to prevent Texas, Nebraska, PSU, Stanford, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Washington, USC, and similar programs from gaining an advantage from having more coaches/more ppl in the bench area. Ppl should be more upset when those teams gain an advantage by breaking/skirting the rules, though other teams shouldn't be allowed to do it either.
I also think it's amusing when ppl say something to the effect of "You're just jealous" when boof (a PSU fan) and mikegarrison (a Washington fan) are some of the most active in objecting to what happened. I strongly object too bc I know how much of an advantage this could be for top teams with top players/coaches as alums. (And no reason to think it would be restricted to alums: e.g., the Randy Johnson example.) If what happened is ok, the top teams - esp those who host - will benefit the most. Most mid-majors and other teams from smaller conferences (or lower teams in the PAC/B1G/SEC) will be the ones who are hurt.
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Post by Disc808 on Dec 9, 2019 16:52:17 GMT -5
I think this is being so overplayed bc everyone hates Texas. It's amusing to see several posters suggest that this has been blown out of proportion because it involves Texas. If this was Russ Rose and PSU, it would be just as big. Every bit as big if it had been Wisconsin or Stanford. If it was Nebraska, ProBoards servers would have melted by now. Agreed. If Inky could’ve jumped out of the stands in 2017, Stanford could’ve had the three - peat
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Post by dunninla3 on Dec 9, 2019 16:54:40 GMT -5
Geez, I take an hour out to go refill my meds, and we're on page 35?
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 9, 2019 16:58:15 GMT -5
I think this is being so overplayed bc everyone hates Texas. It's amusing to see several posters suggest that this has been blown out of proportion because it involves Texas. If this was Russ Rose and PSU, it would be just as big. Every bit as big if it had been Wisconsin or Stanford. If it was Nebraska, ProBoards servers would have melted by now. I think it's amusing that it's only "big" on Volleytalk. There is virtually no coverage of this incident in the sports media or on social media, aside from a brief ESPN post that never suggests Bell did anything untoward. Granted, this speaks more to the lack of attention volleyball gets in general (I'm sure that if, say, Duke had done this in the NCAA men's basketball tournament, it would have gotten more coverage), but still.
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Post by tomclen on Dec 9, 2019 17:04:38 GMT -5
It's amusing to see several posters suggest that this has been blown out of proportion because it involves Texas. If this was Russ Rose and PSU, it would be just as big. Every bit as big if it had been Wisconsin or Stanford. If it was Nebraska, ProBoards servers would have melted by now. I think it's amusing that it's only "big" on Volleytalk. There is virtually no coverage of this incident in the sports media or on social media, aside from a brief ESPN post that never suggests Bell did anything untoward. Granted, this speaks more to the lack of attention volleyball gets in general (I'm sure that if, say, Duke had done this in the NCAA men's basketball tournament, it would have gotten more coverage), but still. Well, of course, there is virtually no coverage of volleyball in the sports media.
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