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Post by horns1 on Jan 12, 2020 21:54:00 GMT -5
For now, no need for Texas fans to stress about the scholarship numbers or roster depth charts. Unless Fleck selects Texas, not much changes short-term.
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Post by rodbcantu on Jan 12, 2020 21:54:53 GMT -5
So Petersen and shoot lost their scholarships then...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 21:59:32 GMT -5
So Petersen lost her scholarship then... horns1 is right. Unless Fleck chooses UT, nothing changes. I heard tonight that she has 3 visits lined up (one is definitely Texas), no idea if she'll take the other two. If she does become a longhorn, yeah I think that's it for Petersen. Either way, it's interesting how much JE is pushing this one. I've heard working hard for her. Suggests he isn't confident about Petersen.
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Post by horns1 on Jan 12, 2020 22:08:33 GMT -5
So Petersen lost her scholarship then... horns1 is right. Unless Fleck chooses UT, nothing changes. I heard tonight that she has 3 visits lined up (one is definitely Texas), no idea if she'll take the other two. If she does become a longhorn, yeah I think that's it for Petersen. Either way, it's interesting how much JE is pushing this one. I've heard working hard for her. Suggests he isn't confident about Petersen. I'm happy to see the scholarship distribution at Texas changing a bit. Being willing to have two 4-year scholarship backrow players on the roster is something new for Texas. Doesn't really do much good to have 5 scholarship middle blockers on the roster like we did one season, IIRC, even if a couple can play right side but aren't the starting Opposite.
If Fleck decides to come to Texas, no doubt she'll push the other back row players to bring it every practice, especially the true freshmen.
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Post by brooselee on Jan 12, 2020 22:29:24 GMT -5
So Petersen and shoot lost their scholarships then... If that is the case, that would be unfortunate. I wonder how many schools operate at such a cut throat style. I remember Hawaii’s coach Dave Shoji saying that he would never remove a player’s scholarship as long as she attended class and came to practice. If that player(s) did not meet his standard as a player, it’s on him for not scouting her properly and not training her correctly. It would also be hypocritical for him to tell the players that the #1 priority is to get a degree from the university and then turn around and take away her financial means to get one. As a parent, I would be disturbed to see that kind of thing. Coaches throwing out praises during the recruiting process then the moment somebody better comes along, you get your scholarship yanked.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Jan 12, 2020 22:37:37 GMT -5
So Petersen and shoot lost their scholarships then... If that is the case, that would be unfortunate. I wonder how many schools operate at such a cut throat style. I remember Hawaii’s coach Dave Shoji saying that he would never remove a player’s scholarship as long as she attended class and came to practice. If that player(s) did not meet his standard as a player, it’s on him for not scouting her properly and not training her correctly. It would also be hypocritical for him to tell the players that the #1 priority is to get a degree from the university and then turn around and take away her financial means to get one. As a parent, I would be disturbed to see that kind of thing. Coaches throwing out praises during the recruiting process then the moment somebody better comes along, you get your scholarship yanked. It happens far more than you think. Certain programs more than others.
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Post by horns1 on Jan 12, 2020 22:38:00 GMT -5
So Petersen and shoot lost their scholarships then... If that is the case, that would be unfortunate. I wonder how many schools operate at such a cut throat style. I remember Hawaii’s coach Dave Shoji saying that he would never remove a player’s scholarship as long as she attended class and came to practice. If that player(s) did not meet his standard as a player, it’s on him for not scouting her properly and not training her correctly. It would also be hypocritical for him to tell the players that the #1 priority is to get a degree from the university and then turn around and take away her financial means to get one. As a parent, I would be disturbed to see that kind of thing. Coaches throwing out praises during the recruiting process then the moment somebody better comes along, you get your scholarship yanked. Although that poster is a Texas fan, not sure they are making those comments having any inside information. Perhaps they left off some punctuation, such as a question mark at the end of their statement.
So, best to hold off on trying to slam coaches.
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Post by stevehorn on Jan 12, 2020 22:42:10 GMT -5
So Petersen and shoot lost their scholarships then... If that is the case, that would be unfortunate. I wonder how many schools operate at such a cut throat style. I remember Hawaii’s coach Dave Shoji saying that he would never remove a player’s scholarship as long as she attended class and came to practice. If that player(s) did not meet his standard as a player, it’s on him for not scouting her properly and not training her correctly. It would also be hypocritical for him to tell the players that the #1 priority is to get a degree from the university and then turn around and take away her financial means to get one. As a parent, I would be disturbed to see that kind of thing. Coaches throwing out praises during the recruiting process then the moment somebody better comes along, you get your scholarship yanked. Don't assume that is happening. For starters there is a rule among P5 schools that four-year scholarship offers cannot be pulled except for academic or disciplinary reasons. Then it's quite possible that a player or two may transfer on their own. I would be surprised if we still have three setters on the roster in the fall. Don't believe Elliott has ever been accused of "pulling a scholarship" in the past and therefore he's not likely to start now.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Jan 12, 2020 22:45:20 GMT -5
If that is the case, that would be unfortunate. I wonder how many schools operate at such a cut throat style. I remember Hawaii’s coach Dave Shoji saying that he would never remove a player’s scholarship as long as she attended class and came to practice. If that player(s) did not meet his standard as a player, it’s on him for not scouting her properly and not training her correctly. It would also be hypocritical for him to tell the players that the #1 priority is to get a degree from the university and then turn around and take away her financial means to get one. As a parent, I would be disturbed to see that kind of thing. Coaches throwing out praises during the recruiting process then the moment somebody better comes along, you get your scholarship yanked. Don't assume that is happening. For starters there is a rule among P5 schools that four-year scholarship offers cannot be pulled except for academic or disciplinary reasons. Then it's quite possible that a player or two may transfer on their own. I would be surprised if we still have three setters on the roster in the fall. Don't believe Elliott has ever been accused of "pulling a scholarship" in the past and therefore he's not likely to start now. I thought that was only a pac 12 thing. Did all the power five schools agree to it?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 22:45:22 GMT -5
If that is the case, that would be unfortunate. I wonder how many schools operate at such a cut throat style. I remember Hawaii’s coach Dave Shoji saying that he would never remove a player’s scholarship as long as she attended class and came to practice. If that player(s) did not meet his standard as a player, it’s on him for not scouting her properly and not training her correctly. It would also be hypocritical for him to tell the players that the #1 priority is to get a degree from the university and then turn around and take away her financial means to get one. As a parent, I would be disturbed to see that kind of thing. Coaches throwing out praises during the recruiting process then the moment somebody better comes along, you get your scholarship yanked. Although that poster is a Texas fan, not sure they are making those comments having any inside information. Perhaps they left off some punctuation, such as a question mark at the end of their statement.
So, best to hold off on trying to slam coaches.
Yeah, that comment is 100% speculation and in case it was derived from a post of mine, let me be clear; unless someone else comes in, Petersen will be the starting Libero this fall. However such is the nature of sports that you're only the starter as long as the coach deems you the starter. All jobs can be won/lost and good teams are always looking to improve. I also should add, I think it'd be more likely that Petersen, should she lose her starting role, would transfer. She'd be a capable player for most teams in the nation & scholarships are too valuable to have a Jnr DS occupy one on the bench. Given Petersen's struggles in the tournament and the availability of an upgrade, you cannot blame JE for trying to improve the roster.
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Post by dunninla3 on Jan 12, 2020 22:48:36 GMT -5
This is interesting. I can see the picture as the following:
DS or LIbero: Come in 2 years without scholarship, with years 3 and 4 guaranteed.
-OR- Come in as a freshman on full scholarship guaranteed for 2 years, and keep it as long as you keep the starting job.
There are a number of ways that a player can lose a scholarship without it being abusive or a surpise. The critical issue is that the rules of the game are spelled out ahead of signing the NLI. And some Conferences have guarantees about 4 year scholarships, but there are no guarantees for less than 4 year scholarships.
If you guys think this is an issue, you should try looking at how they did it in Softball for years, which is an equivalency sport, so schollies can go from full to 3/4 or 1/2, or the opposite direction, depending on winning and keeping, or losing starting positions on the team.
These are employees, after all, in all but legal standing.
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Post by horns1 on Jan 12, 2020 22:48:42 GMT -5
If that is the case, that would be unfortunate. I wonder how many schools operate at such a cut throat style. I remember Hawaii’s coach Dave Shoji saying that he would never remove a player’s scholarship as long as she attended class and came to practice. If that player(s) did not meet his standard as a player, it’s on him for not scouting her properly and not training her correctly. It would also be hypocritical for him to tell the players that the #1 priority is to get a degree from the university and then turn around and take away her financial means to get one. As a parent, I would be disturbed to see that kind of thing. Coaches throwing out praises during the recruiting process then the moment somebody better comes along, you get your scholarship yanked. Don't assume that is happening. For starters there is a rule among P5 schools that four-year scholarship offers cannot be pulled except for academic or disciplinary reasons. Then it's quite possible that a player or two may transfer on their own. I would be surprised if we still have three setters on the roster in the fall. Don't believe Elliott has ever been accused of "pulling a scholarship" in the past and therefore he's not likely to start now. For sure.
But, we had three scholarship setters on the roster this past season (Fisbeck, Shook, and Gabriel if we assume she earned a scholarship after the 2018 season, which I do since we would have still only been at 11 'ships). Plus, Gabriel can also play DS, so she's valuable with her versatility.
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Post by brooselee on Jan 12, 2020 22:49:37 GMT -5
If that is the case, that would be unfortunate. I wonder how many schools operate at such a cut throat style. I remember Hawaii’s coach Dave Shoji saying that he would never remove a player’s scholarship as long as she attended class and came to practice. If that player(s) did not meet his standard as a player, it’s on him for not scouting her properly and not training her correctly. It would also be hypocritical for him to tell the players that the #1 priority is to get a degree from the university and then turn around and take away her financial means to get one. As a parent, I would be disturbed to see that kind of thing. Coaches throwing out praises during the recruiting process then the moment somebody better comes along, you get your scholarship yanked. Don't assume that is happening. For starters there is a rule among P5 schools that four-year scholarship offers cannot be pulled except for academic or disciplinary reasons. Then it's quite possible that a player or two may transfer on their own. I would be surprised if we still have three setters on the roster in the fall. Don't believe Elliott has ever been accused of "pulling a scholarship" in the past and therefore he's not likely to start now. I thought 4 years scholarship are “guaranteed “ too. That is why I said it would be unfortunate. There might have been changes in scholarship distribution and stuff like that I missed so I did not accused Jerritt of any wrongdoing.
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Post by stevehorn on Jan 12, 2020 22:56:13 GMT -5
Don't assume that is happening. For starters there is a rule among P5 schools that four-year scholarship offers cannot be pulled except for academic or disciplinary reasons. Then it's quite possible that a player or two may transfer on their own. I would be surprised if we still have three setters on the roster in the fall. Don't believe Elliott has ever been accused of "pulling a scholarship" in the past and therefore he's not likely to start now. For sure.
But, we had three scholarship setters on the roster this past season (Fisbeck, Shook, and Gabriel if we assume she earned a scholarship after the 2018 season, which I do since we would have still only been at 11 'ships). Plus, Gabriel can also play DS, so she's valuable with her versatility.
I did read somewhere that Gabriel was not on a ship this past season, but Huhn and Rounsanville were. Like everyone here, have to no way to confirm if that was true or not. My comment really was the thought that I wouldn't be surprised if Shook transferred, especially is she graduates at the end of the spring.
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Post by stevehorn on Jan 12, 2020 22:58:36 GMT -5
Don't assume that is happening. For starters there is a rule among P5 schools that four-year scholarship offers cannot be pulled except for academic or disciplinary reasons. Then it's quite possible that a player or two may transfer on their own. I would be surprised if we still have three setters on the roster in the fall. Don't believe Elliott has ever been accused of "pulling a scholarship" in the past and therefore he's not likely to start now. I thought 4 years scholarship are “guaranteed “ too. That is why I said it would be unfortunate. There might have been changes in scholarship distribution and stuff like that I missed so I did not accused Jerritt of any wrongdoing. It came across that way when you included the quote from Shoji.
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