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Post by cbrown1709 on Aug 28, 2020 2:47:02 GMT -5
I am sure the teams will be practice at full tilt when October hits and then will be practicing full tilt in the spring. These programs will be way ahead of other since they will have been practicing together for much longer. Teams that aren't competing in fall will potentially have twice as much strength & conditioning time as those that are playing in fall. Assuming those playing in fall are playing two matches a week, they'll also get 6 hours less practice time than those that are just practicing. They also don't have the immediate pressure of competition, so will have more time for freshmen to adjust. Unless the entire spring season gets cancelled (which is eminently possible) I can't see any advantage to playing in fall. So you don't think actual game play isn't more valuable than just a practice?
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Post by vbshrink on Aug 28, 2020 9:01:27 GMT -5
The original schedule for the Razorback volleyball team has been significantly altered from what was posted earlier this summer. (Figures -- the one year that the Hogs are not the LAST team to post a schedule, it gets thrown out the window! lol) Everything that had been listed preseason is now gone and replaced by an in-state tournament the weekend of Sep 10 (featuring A State, UALR, and UCA). The Hogs' SEC slate is apparently unchanged from earlier in the year. It starts on Sep 25th, and includes the usual, random mish-mash of weekend and mid-week games that characterize the SEC scheduling office's strange perversities. Consistent with the announcement that came out yesterday, the September tournament of in-state teams has been canceled. The Hogs' schedule for 2020 has actually been taken down for now. Now THAT's more like it!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 10:27:42 GMT -5
Teams that aren't competing in fall will potentially have twice as much strength & conditioning time as those that are playing in fall. Assuming those playing in fall are playing two matches a week, they'll also get 6 hours less practice time than those that are just practicing. They also don't have the immediate pressure of competition, so will have more time for freshmen to adjust. Unless the entire spring season gets cancelled (which is eminently possible) I can't see any advantage to playing in fall. So you don't think actual game play isn't more valuable than just a practice? I think it entirely depends on what you need to improve. For freshman playing actual games and struggling can crush your confidence.
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Post by cbrown1709 on Aug 28, 2020 16:05:27 GMT -5
So you don't think actual game play isn't more valuable than just a practice? I think it entirely depends on what you need to improve. For freshman playing actual games and struggling can crush your confidence. Trying hard to create game like situations are never as good as the real thing tho.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 16:19:26 GMT -5
I think it entirely depends on what you need to improve. For freshman playing actual games and struggling can crush your confidence. Trying hard to create game like situations are never as good as the real thing tho. That's the point, they don't need to create game like situations yet. They won't for months. They, unlike the teams playing in the fall, can have an extended strength & conditioning program after months of not playing and get all of their new players properly accustomed to D1 volley. Again, assuming the end up playing the same number of matches, any coach you talk to would rather have 3 months of practice and then play games, rather than play games immediately - especially given how long it's been since these athletes last played matches.
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Post by winesalot on Aug 28, 2020 19:52:40 GMT -5
Trying hard to create game like situations are never as good as the real thing tho. That's the point, they don't need to create game like situations yet. They won't for months. They, unlike the teams playing in the fall, can have an extended strength & conditioning program after months of not playing and get all of their new players properly accustomed to D1 volley. Again, assuming the end up playing the same number of matches, any coach you talk to would rather have 3 months of practice and then play games, rather than play games immediately - especially given how long it's been since these athletes last played matches. But what about from a player's standpoint? Isn't the actual competition the reward for all that training? Physically, the teams not playing in the fall may have an advantage, but what about mentally? How do you keep the athletes motivated? I would think this will be a challenge for coaches right now? **Edit**: I just realized how many questions I asked in this post. Sorry, this is not an interrogation! I just want to know how coaches balance the mental and the physical right now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 21:02:46 GMT -5
That's the point, they don't need to create game like situations yet. They won't for months. They, unlike the teams playing in the fall, can have an extended strength & conditioning program after months of not playing and get all of their new players properly accustomed to D1 volley. Again, assuming the end up playing the same number of matches, any coach you talk to would rather have 3 months of practice and then play games, rather than play games immediately - especially given how long it's been since these athletes last played matches. But what about from a player's standpoint? Isn't the actual competition the reward for all that training? Physically, the teams not playing in the fall may have an advantage, but what about mentally? How do you keep the athletes motivated? I would think this will be a challenge for coaches right now? **Edit**: I just realized how many questions I asked in this post. Sorry, this is not an interrogation! I just want to know how coaches balance the mental and the physical right now. Questions are fine, don't apologize .Obviously, current attitude depends on the player - but even in a 'normal' year the transition for freshmen is tough. For this class - they haven't been playing with a team for months, they might feel they're coming in out of shape or lacking touch, then there's all these protocols in place because of the pandemic and they're trying to adjust to the pace of college ball. It's a lot to handle right now and they're likely more socially isolated than they'd otherwise be while beginning their college experience. The question about coaching is a good one; it's hard because throughout the summer there have been so many different versions of 'the plan' that now it's hard for coaches to talk to players with much certainty. The players know that, of course, but it doesn't make the uncertainty any easier - most just want to be able to practice. At schools where that isn't permitted, yes it's a daily challenge to keep the team invested. That's why some coaches (Hambly, John Cook for example) decided to send their players home until school starts. If your school can practice, lift, stay connected, motivation isn't as much of a concern. Most players love playing. But due to the pandemic, there are other challenges at schools which are preparing to play this fall; you're seeing outbreaks on campuses, players in dorms are feeling exposed, players (and coaches) are concerned about conditioning, unbalanced schedules, unusual travel arrangements. I wouldn't describe the attitude of those I know in conferences that are playing this fall as entirely enthusiastic... Fall volley is going to be a real challenge this year. I think you're going to get a great insight into which coaches are the most adaptable and which teams can really pull together amidst a multitude of distractions.
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Post by passsetkill2020 on Aug 29, 2020 6:25:57 GMT -5
I may be oversimplifying things, but I believe this debate is a mute point. If I understand things correctly, what is happening is the fall is becoming a spring season and vise versa. Remember the spring has 4 opponents? No one ever debated the benefit of spring ball. Granted they are usually not just in conference games and the games don’t count. Remember there are huge benefits for Early enrollment freshman by playing in Spring? This I believe is the vision.
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Post by cbrown1709 on Aug 29, 2020 14:26:43 GMT -5
That's the point, they don't need to create game like situations yet. They won't for months. They, unlike the teams playing in the fall, can have an extended strength & conditioning program after months of not playing and get all of their new players properly accustomed to D1 volley. Again, assuming the end up playing the same number of matches, any coach you talk to would rather have 3 months of practice and then play games, rather than play games immediately - especially given how long it's been since these athletes last played matches. But what about from a player's standpoint? Isn't the actual competition the reward for all that training? Physically, the teams not playing in the fall may have an advantage, but what about mentally? How do you keep the athletes motivated? I would think this will be a challenge for coaches right now? **Edit**: I just realized how many questions I asked in this post. Sorry, this is not an interrogation! I just want to know how coaches balance the mental and the physical right now. From my experience in past spring seasons, practice can get dull and athletes tend to crave real games. They end up using the lessons taught in practice and putting them into play, so to speak. Knowing real competition is coming soon, they tend to work harder. Weights, conditioning, working on basics and mechanics are incredible but they want to play the game..
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Post by VolleyballMag on Aug 30, 2020 9:52:56 GMT -5
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Post by ksc on Sept 9, 2020 11:24:44 GMT -5
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Post by beachindoor on Sept 9, 2020 11:42:38 GMT -5
How come they didn't do it where the top 4 in the league play each other, than the next 4 in one group, etc. Would've made the matches more enjoyable to watch and similar playing levels
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Post by trainermch on Sept 9, 2020 12:16:34 GMT -5
How come they didn't do it where the top 4 in the league play each other, than the next 4 in one group, etc. Would've made the matches more enjoyable to watch and similar playing levels The results of this partial season factor into standings for possible tournament, so...
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Post by n00b on Sept 9, 2020 12:26:39 GMT -5
How come they didn't do it where the top 4 in the league play each other, than the next 4 in one group, etc. Would've made the matches more enjoyable to watch and similar playing levels Similar to the ACC schedule, it looks like they've strongly emphasized minimizing travel.
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Post by vbshrink on Sept 9, 2020 12:55:01 GMT -5
There definitely seems to be a bit of "region-ality" to the schedules, with Auburn vs KY and Mizzou vs Bama being the "farthest" trips that I noticed after a quick, mapquest-free perusal. The Alabama schools seem to have gotten the short end of the scheduling stick, with Auburn catching Florida, Kentucky, and Tennessee -- along with South Carolina -- and Bama slated to face Mizzou, Florida, UGA, and LSU.
UF, TAMU, and LSU seem to have the easiest slates. UF gets Auburn, Bama, SC, and UGA. TAMU gives them a run for their easy money, though, with matches against LSU, MS State, Ole Miss, and Arkansas. LSU is also sitting fairly pretty, with matches against the MS schools and Bama to complement the TAMU match. Each only faces one opponent that was likely to be a top-half team.
Still - this is better than nothing, imo. Curious to hear if the SEC will also sponsor a spring season.
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