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Post by midnightblue on Dec 22, 2019 21:49:36 GMT -5
If you think that Stanford won because 'Wisconsin choked' - there's plenty of self-help books out there for you.
Wisconsin's reputation was based upon their dominant performance in the B1G (and rightfully so).
Stanford rag-dolled the top of the B1G (save that early loss to Minn.)
Stanford was on another level than any team in the country. I understand how that can be difficult for some (namely those who who are feeling a little green) to accept, but it is what it is babii.
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Post by bball on Dec 22, 2019 21:55:26 GMT -5
To be fair... at least they were good competitive matches..... I mean come on. Wisconsin went straight up CHOKE CITY. the 3rd set was kind of better It’s not fair to say they choked when Plummer made Minnesota and Penn State’s defense look equally as weak, and Hentz made the hits look like WS (weaksauce) lol I disagree. Wisconsin had the goods to win this match. They had the players to do it. Or at least make for something competitive. Minnesota wasn't a top 8 team. Nor was penn state. |
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Post by leftcoaster71 on Dec 22, 2019 21:58:15 GMT -5
Fun Fact about Stanford (Not so fun fact for non Stanford fans)
Stanford has won the most lopsided NCAA title match in the sideout era (199 vs. Hawaii 15-7, 15-3, 15-5),
won the most lopsided NCAA title match in the rally score to 30 era (2004 vs. Minnesota 30-23, 30-27, 30-21), and now, has won the most lopsided NCAA title match in the rally score to 25 era (25-16, 25-17, 25-20).
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 22, 2019 22:42:26 GMT -5
Stanford proved that the B1G Conference, is NOT all that it is cracked up to be. Thinking it is time the NCAA Selection Committee quit giving the B1G Conference teams preferential treatment. Especially when it comes to the 1st and 2nd round. Always giving the B1G team an easy road to the Regionals. I mean, look at Illinois this year, barely over .500 and yet, they get into the tournament. Gaurantee, in any other conference a team barely above .500 does not even smell the tournament. The B1G is so overrated, and Stanford proved it, without a doubt.
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 22, 2019 22:47:29 GMT -5
It’s not fair to say they choked when Plummer made Minnesota and Penn State’s defense look equally as weak, and Hentz made the hits look like WS (weaksauce) lol I disagree. Wisconsin had the goods to win this match. They had the players to do it. Or at least make for something competitive. Minnesota wasn't a top 8 team. Nor was penn state. If that is the case, concerning Wisconsin, then why did Stanford make Wisconsin look so ordinary, or should I say, an average team. Wisconsin, like all the other B1G teams were so overrated. It is about time, the B1G teams start having tough 1st and 2nd round matches, instead of cupcake teams. |
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Post by johnbar on Dec 22, 2019 23:02:41 GMT -5
Okay for folks outside the US...I can’t get Hulu or ESPN steaming content on the apps. The match shows that it’s supposed to air on ESPN2 on cable, but what is showing now doesn’t match with the TV guide (I.e., cricket/commercials instead of basketball). Concerned it won’t show the match either. Any brilliant ways to watch this live? You can watch my recording of it. Go to this link and scroll all the way to the bottom. You'll see "National Semis and Final". Final is freely viewable. Look for green View button. www.tomsgoodfiles.com/volleyball-great-video-clips.php#2019PostseasonI've been looking for a full 1080 copy (there are several 720-res on youtube)... But your account got deleted? Fortunately, I do have access to ESPN, so not a big deal for me. |
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Post by gb77 on Dec 22, 2019 23:33:51 GMT -5
so much of the B1G sucks logic depends on 1 Stanford team that beat the best of the B1G. this is really crappy logic. the only statement supported by the facts is ::
Stanford is a much better team than any B1G team, which could not even win a game in the tournament from them.
to try to argue anything about conferences' superiority at the end of the season compared to the B1G is Crap Logic since there are little or no head-to-head facts to support it. the only argument you can make is about Stanford the team. the rest is lazy rhetoric and puffery.
kudos to Stanford for proving they are the best this year. and Boof for being right in his bravado about Stanford until someone beat them for the title.
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Post by mcmike on Dec 22, 2019 23:52:37 GMT -5
You can tell yourself that it's just another game, that you are going to play point to point, that you belong here and you can play your game and, good fortune, prevail
but the fact seems to remain that there is value for having been there before, with a program that has a demonstrated history of success at the highest level
and the difference between the teams' historical experiences and mindsets does filter into the championship final 'zeitgeist'. we can't KNOW why the Cardinal was able to 'kick it up a notch' to play better than their historical 2019 resume might suggest.. while the Gophers and Badgers were unable to do the same
we certainly do know who 'plummed'(sic) the depths of their experience to excel this year. Watching KP deliver kills shots repeatedly from OOS passes and sets bordered on unbelievable. I haven't watched the replay yet, but I kept thinking that WI would be able to transition to a potentially winning position only to see shot after shot hit the floor.
It was not a solo effort by any means because Gray got the ball to her, McClure was remarkable, as well as Gates, Fitz, & of course the back court. So many of Stanford's third contacts went untouched through the WI block and so many of WI's attacks were either blunted by high hands or digs.
As others have said, even if WI had been playing better, I don't think they could have prevailed given the Cardinal level of play.
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Post by totesmasc4masc on Dec 22, 2019 23:57:27 GMT -5
So where does the Plummer/Hentz/Gray/Fitz class fit amongst the GOAT?
I'm thinking that list probably includes, among others:
Harmotto/Fawcett
Glass/Hodge
Wilson/Brown/D'Errico
Ross/Anderson/Olsovsky/Davis
Burdine/Adams
Sharpley/Folkl/Ifejika/Lambert/McNamee
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Post by mcmike on Dec 23, 2019 0:03:19 GMT -5
wahiniefan and raian13 are laughable.
the general level of play in the B1G is significantly higher over the course of the conference season...imo.
I don't get to see as many PAC games, but from what I have seen the difference in competitiveness is striking.
have no intention of getting into a 'my dog's better than your dog' but it gets annoying listening to the whining about how the B1G gets preferential treatment.
of more interest to me is whether the tough campaign in the B1G makes it difficult for their teams to peak at the end of the season at tournament time. WI sure looked like a competitor, but did not excel in either match in Pittsburgh.
as much of a 'homer' for MN as I am, their 'low error' philosophy would have no chance of beating a Stanford team executing above their season average. You cannot win by ceding tempo to an excellent opponent.
MN did not have enough time with their setter coming off her injury to get their offense going on all cylinders. Even had they played up to their potential on Thursday they would not have beaten a Stanford team playing as they have the last few weeks.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 23, 2019 0:15:45 GMT -5
I don't get to see as many PAC games, but from what I have seen the difference in competitiveness is striking. Well yes, this is so. The PAC-12 has no teams as bad as the worst Big 10 teams, and the average PAC-12 teams are better than the average Big 10 teams. It does make the PAC conference play more competitive, with far fewer gimme wins on the plate. |
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Post by TCMullet on Dec 23, 2019 0:34:02 GMT -5
I've been looking for a full 1080 copy (there are several 720-res on youtube)... But your account got deleted? Fortunately, I do have access to ESPN, so not a big deal for me. JohnBar, mine is 1080p60 and it IS out there now. Just follow the directions. Any reference to "got deleted" has nothing to do with this match. Edit: OH WAIT. It DID just get deleted! And they sent me no notification! (And it was a new channel, too! Hmmm.) |
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Post by ironhammer on Dec 23, 2019 0:43:03 GMT -5
I've been looking for a full 1080 copy (there are several 720-res on youtube)... But your account got deleted? Fortunately, I do have access to ESPN, so not a big deal for me. JohnBar, mine is 1080p60 and it IS out there now. Just follow the directions. Any reference to "got deleted" has nothing to do with this match. Edit: OH WAIT. It DID just get deleted! And they sent me no notification! (And it was a new channel, too! Hmmm.) The bastards. Btw, Rio Olympic games for volleyball is online now (in Portugese and Chinese) and no longer banned on youtube, so go ahead and upload your Rio videos. |
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Post by TCMullet on Dec 23, 2019 0:50:11 GMT -5
JohnBar, mine is 1080p60 and it IS out there now. Just follow the directions. Any reference to "got deleted" has nothing to do with this match. Edit: OH WAIT. It DID just get deleted! And they sent me no notification! (And it was a new channel, too! Hmmm.) The bastards. Btw, Rio Olympic games for volleyball is online now (in Portugese and Chinese) and no longer banned on youtube, so go ahead and upload your Rio videos. What about London 2012? (Which were banned from the start.) And the finals of 2008? |
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Post by ironhammer on Dec 23, 2019 0:53:15 GMT -5
The bastards. Btw, Rio Olympic games for volleyball is online now (in Portugese and Chinese) and no longer banned on youtube, so go ahead and upload your Rio videos. What about London 2012? (Which were banned from the start.) And the finals of 2008? I don't know what the copyright situation is with London, but full Beijing and Rio matches are up on youtube in other languages and not being banned, so I think the copyright for Beijing and Rio have expired. You can also try other video upload sites like vimeo or the Chinese site bilibili, but you have to know how to read Chinese. |
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