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Post by TCMullet on Dec 23, 2019 1:02:22 GMT -5
What about London 2012? (Which were banned from the start.) And the finals of 2008? I don't know what the copyright situation is with London, but full Beijing and Rio matches are up on youtube in other languages and not being banned, so I think the copyright for Beijing and Rio have expired. You can also try other video upload sites like vimeo or the Chinese site bilibili, but you have to know how to read Chinese. The funny thing about the Olympic YT channel... I get a block on one of my 2004 or 2008 matches every couple months or so. If they wanted to get them all, why not just view them all on the channel as they were public and block them all at one time? I should re-try the 2008 women's beach gold again to test your theory. |
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Post by ironhammer on Dec 23, 2019 1:06:51 GMT -5
I don't know what the copyright situation is with London, but full Beijing and Rio matches are up on youtube in other languages and not being banned, so I think the copyright for Beijing and Rio have expired. You can also try other video upload sites like vimeo or the Chinese site bilibili, but you have to know how to read Chinese. The funny thing about the Olympic YT channel... I get a block on one of my 2004 or 2008 matches every couple months or so. If they wanted to get them all, why not just view them all on the channel as they were public and block them all at one time? I should re-try the 2008 women's beach gold again to test your theory. I think it's the algorithm that Google uses to detect copyright material. I don't think it is well formulated and there are consequently problems with it's calculations. So the end result is inconsistency. Some blatant IP violators get away scot free while others who weren't really posting IP violating material gets banned. Your volleyball classic channel is fine btw. |
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Post by tnp101 on Dec 23, 2019 5:01:26 GMT -5
Aw, thanks for sharing. This made me tearful just to see old teammates love one another and share the success. |
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Post by tnp101 on Dec 23, 2019 6:35:27 GMT -5
Good write up. Thank you. There are also many articles and pictures about both teams at volleymag site. Keep it up. Thanks. |
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Post by tnp101 on Dec 23, 2019 8:03:31 GMT -5
It's because Baylor didn't have anyone who could hit like Plummer. Pressley was amazing... but she's no Plummer (and that's not a knock on her... no one in the game can hit like Plummer can). Agree with this. Plummer is in a league of her own. Worth noting though is that Plummer's kills were coming from really good sets by Gray. Always caught her in stride and put Plummer in a spot where she could really rip the ball. Lockin's sets to Pressley were just all over the place so Yossiana got fewer sets that she was really able to unload on. Actually a couple of her kills came from Kate Formico passing an OOS ball very high to the pin. The balls cam from behind KP. I notice that KP got many kills if she got high balls. She had time to hit over the blocks. Very hard to defend. If she got low but fast balls, sometimes she got blocked. She was so good hitting OOS balls. |
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Post by TCMullet on Dec 23, 2019 9:33:57 GMT -5
The funny thing about the Olympic YT channel... I get a block on one of my 2004 or 2008 matches every couple months or so. If they wanted to get them all, why not just view them all on the channel as they were public and block them all at one time? I should re-try the 2008 women's beach gold again to test your theory. I think it's the algorithm that Google uses to detect copyright material. I don't think it is well formulated and there are consequently problems with it's calculations. So the end result is inconsistency. Some blatant IP violators get away scot free while others who weren't really posting IP violating material gets banned. Your volleyball classic channel is fine btw. What I remember in 2012, after diligently recording my highest res recordings possible for me of the 2012 (London), was that while all before 2012 was specific match segments being blocked right away due to them having created YT signatures of the content. That's what makes instant blocking possible. Fox, I believe, has done this with every second of every Simpsons episode. Olympic never did it comprehensively with games prior to 2012, but it appeared that they DID with 2012 footage. I couldn't upload 5 min. of the 1st match without it being instantly blocked. Have not retried, and never even processed my 2016 footage. One day... I do believe Olympic games should be public domain. Some holders cheat and only "signaturize" small parts of the content, such as ID or logo sequences. Then YT sends them a video as a "potential" violator and they have to manually inspect it. I think this is why there've been numerous channels pop up that have "bastardized" matches. All is game-only and no intros or commentary that's not directly voiced over the actual rallies. They are inadvertantly or intentionally sneaking their videos past such lazy holders. |
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Post by v0lleym0m on Dec 23, 2019 9:59:17 GMT -5
All this frustration and one upmanship energy over conferences seems pointless and negates to take into account that this Stanford team, particularly several players, particularly one key hitter that dominates, is an outlier situation. Until Stanford proves that it can dominate in succeeding years without certain key players from the past four seasons that's what this is: an outlier team. A fantastic team that is superb when playing to win and has the mindset to dominate but frankly is still far above the rest because of ridiculous talent.
One could argue that when Plummer was injured they were still a dominating team, and it's hard to argue however you had the "Plummer factor" in there and some of those hitters may have been going above to prove themselves worthy of play time. Plus the presence of Hentz still factors in, really great defense leads to wins and makes all players work tougher and harder.
If Plummer and Hentz were situated on a team together in another conference with the same level of support, trust and coaching that Hambley provided I suspect they would dominate the NCAA still, just within another conference.
This is isnt hate, this is individual contributions examined and how they may affect team dynamics. I wish Stanford nothing but PAC12 success going forward but to say that this has not bn an outlier team, especially after watching the match from Friday, would be unfair. Plummer is a force.
I rewatched set 1 yesterday & see that Wisconsin defense was reading where she (Plummer) would place the ball fairly correctly that set but they could not get under it. A half step forward maybe and playing closer to the floor -- maybe that would've been the appropriate move but I'm telling you I don't think there was any chance of any other team taking those sets away from Stanford. They were on a mission (I can't quote the Blues Brothers lest I get myself in trouble with the VT Gods), they had the dominant mindset. I wish someone would talk about what that mindset is and how to bottle that up!
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Post by oldunc on Dec 23, 2019 10:45:38 GMT -5
so much of the B1G sucks logic depends on 1 Stanford team that beat the best of the B1G. this is really crappy logic. the only statement supported by the facts is :: Stanford is a much better team than any B1G team, which could not even win a game in the tournament from them. to try to argue anything about conferences' superiority at the end of the season compared to the B1G is Crap Logic since there are little or no head-to-head facts to support it. the only argument you can make is about Stanford the team. the rest is lazy rhetoric and puffery. kudos to Stanford for proving they are the best this year. and Boof for being right in his bravado about Stanford until someone beat them for the title. To think it's reasonable to enter into this snarlfest is probably also crap logic, but logic never brought Spock happiness, so what the heck- claims of Big10 superiority are also heavily dependent on the success of one team- Penn State- over an undoubtedly magical 8 year period. But the LA schools really need to get their acts together fast. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 23, 2019 11:50:35 GMT -5
All this frustration and one upmanship energy over conferences seems pointless and negates to take into account that this Stanford team, particularly several players, particularly one key hitter that dominates, is an outlier situation. Until Stanford proves that it can dominate in succeeding years without certain key players from the past four seasons that's what this is: an outlier team. A fantastic team that is superb when playing to win and has the mindset to dominate but frankly is still far above the rest because of ridiculous talent. If there is any one program in NCAA D1 Volleyball that does NOT have to prove it is a flash-in-the-pan "one good class" success story, it's Stanford. |
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Post by v0lleym0m on Dec 23, 2019 13:07:29 GMT -5
All this frustration and one upmanship energy over conferences seems pointless and negates to take into account that this Stanford team, particularly several players, particularly one key hitter that dominates, is an outlier situation. Until Stanford proves that it can dominate in succeeding years without certain key players from the past four seasons that's what this is: an outlier team. A fantastic team that is superb when playing to win and has the mindset to dominate but frankly is still far above the rest because of ridiculous talent. If there is any one program in NCAA D1 Volleyball that does NOT have to prove it is a flash-in-the-pan "one good class" success story, it's Stanford. So be it. Let's see what happens going forward. But snarking about B1G vs PAC12 at this point is pointless. Wisconsin had shut out plenty of teams on their way up to Friday night. Stanford has run a relentless program this past few years and I stand by the strength of several key players as to why. They were an outlier this go around. |
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Post by baytree on Dec 23, 2019 14:13:30 GMT -5
If there is any one program in NCAA D1 Volleyball that does NOT have to prove it is a flash-in-the-pan "one good class" success story, it's Stanford. So be it. Let's see what happens going forward. But snarking about B1G vs PAC12 at this point is pointless. Wisconsin had shut out plenty of teams on their way up to Friday night. Stanford has run a relentless program this past few years and I stand by the strength of several key players as to why. They were an outlier this go around. I agree that B1G vs PAC is pointless but the Committee and Sunderland really threw gas on the fire. It's really annoying as a PAC fan when underlying metrics like Pablo and RPI as well as rating services like Massey say that the PAC is the better conference but the Committee justifies its placements/picks on the B1G being the best conference and Sunderland (and Karch?) repeat that (without any evidence) throughout the championship matches. They really should not have said that.
WRT what you said, I feel like any champion is an outlier, almost by definition. Usually all four teams who make the final four are. You need outstanding rosters, a lot of luck with injuries, etc., a good game plan, and excellent execution. Yes, Plummer and Hentz are remarkable but I've seen other remarkable Stanford classes graduate and Stanford carries on. I'm not saying they'll win the championship next season but I wouldn't rule it out either.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 23, 2019 14:24:50 GMT -5
I agree that B1G vs PAC is pointless but the Committee and Sunderland really threw gas on the fire. It's really annoying as a PAC fan when underlying metrics like Pablo and RPI as well as rating services like Massey say that the PAC is the better conference but the Committee justifies its placements/picks on the B1G being the best conference and Sunderland (and Karch?) repeat that (without any evidence) throughout the championship matches. They really should not have said that. Yeah, it's all fun and games until the Committee starts seeding and picking at-larges. Two words: Cal. Utah. One was unreasonably left out, and the other was unreasonably not seeded. Utah at least had the chance to prove they should have been seeded. Cal didn't even get that opportunity. |
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Dec 23, 2019 14:44:03 GMT -5
So be it. Let's see what happens going forward. But snarking about B1G vs PAC12 at this point is pointless. Wisconsin had shut out plenty of teams on their way up to Friday night. Stanford has run a relentless program this past few years and I stand by the strength of several key players as to why. They were an outlier this go around.
WRT what you said, I feel like any champion is an outlier, almost by definition. Usually all four teams who make the final four are. You need outstanding rosters, a lot of luck with injuries, etc., a good game plan, and excellent execution. Yes, Plummer and Hentz are remarkable but I've seen other remarkable Stanford classes graduate and Stanford carries on.
AND NO, this was not an outlier class. I have followed this program since 1994 (the beginning of that non-outlier group: Folkl, Sharpley, Wendell, Ifejika, Murfee, Lambert; Kerri Walsh two years after that). To minimize the incredible legacy of this University is to ignore the obvious history therein. Other programs should have some of their own "outliers". |
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Post by bucky415 on Dec 23, 2019 15:30:38 GMT -5
It is a fact that Stanford, for all its success even in that time period, had not won a national title in 12 years (because Nnamani was great in the tournament, like Plummer this year) until this group of seniors arrived. An epic PSU team played a role in that, but it had been a while. National titles are hard to win.
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Dec 23, 2019 15:45:15 GMT -5
It is a fact that Stanford, for all its success even in that time period, had not won a national title in 12 years (because Nnamani was great in the tournament, like Plummer this year) until this group of seniors arrived. An epic PSU team played a role in that, but it had been a while. National titles are hard to win. That's funny; I was just thinking about Oganna and the 2004 squad. Now that was an outlier, for real. IIRC the team was a #15 seed. Paula Gentil's injury killed Minnesota! |
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