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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2020 14:45:21 GMT -5
the way this list is flowing (down instead of across) is triggering me
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Post by huskerjen on May 27, 2020 19:08:19 GMT -5
Be interested in hearing coaches talk about things as of end of May compared to start of April. What he brings up in regards to athletes possibly getting an additional year of eligibility if their sports are canceled. Would be some very hard conversations with a lot of players. And, you open up the possibility of an extremely robust transfer portal. They've already discussed how it would be handled in other sports. The roster scholarship limit wouldn't apply for athletes that want to take advantage of finishing out their eligibility. The extra scholarships would not extend to adding new players.
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Post by n00b on May 27, 2020 19:20:16 GMT -5
Be interested in hearing coaches talk about things as of end of May compared to start of April. What he brings up in regards to athletes possibly getting an additional year of eligibility if their sports are canceled. Would be some very hard conversations with a lot of players. And, you open up the possibility of an extremely robust transfer portal. They've already discussed how it would be handled in other sports. The roster scholarship limit wouldn't apply for athletes that want to take advantage of finishing out their eligibility. The extra scholarships would not extend to adding new players. I'll add that that was specific to spring sports getting cancelled mid-season. The issue was that NLIs had already been signed for the incoming athletes and universities were contractually bound to those scholarships. In theory, if the Fall season is cancelled on September 1st, it might be handled differently since NLIs haven't been signed.
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Post by huskerjen on May 27, 2020 22:41:50 GMT -5
They've already discussed how it would be handled in other sports. The roster scholarship limit wouldn't apply for athletes that want to take advantage of finishing out their eligibility. The extra scholarships would not extend to adding new players. I'll add that that was specific to spring sports getting cancelled mid-season. The issue was that NLIs had already been signed for the incoming athletes and universities were contractually bound to those scholarships. In theory, if the Fall season is cancelled on September 1st, it might be handled differently since NLIs haven't been signed. NLIs for 2020 fall athletes have been signed. However, I'm thinking more about current athletes, i.e. 2019s and earlier. I think they would receive the same deal as the spring athletes.
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Post by stats1st on May 28, 2020 9:09:24 GMT -5
I'll add that that was specific to spring sports getting cancelled mid-season. The issue was that NLIs had already been signed for the incoming athletes and universities were contractually bound to those scholarships. In theory, if the Fall season is cancelled on September 1st, it might be handled differently since NLIs haven't been signed. NLIs for 2020 fall athletes have been signed. However, I'm thinking more about current athletes, i.e. 2019s and earlier. I think they would receive the same deal as the spring athletes. You get a redshirt...and YOU get a redshirt...and YOU GET A REDSHIRT!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 12:34:49 GMT -5
Be interested in hearing coaches talk about things as of end of May compared to start of April. What he brings up in regards to athletes possibly getting an additional year of eligibility if their sports are canceled. Would be some very hard conversations with a lot of players. And, you open up the possibility of an extremely robust transfer portal. They've already discussed how it would be handled in other sports. The roster scholarship limit wouldn't apply for athletes that want to take advantage of finishing out their eligibility. The extra scholarships would not extend to adding new players. Even still, no easy answers. Would there be a conference-wide approach for fall sports? School-by-school? If the season were canceled, and would-be seniors in 2020 are allowed to retain eligibility in 2021 you end up with a logjam, even if scholarship limits wouldn't apply. You'd also be adding costs if you're carrying several more players than you had planned. For many Power 5 schools, that can theoretically be handled. Though, if volleyball is canceled then those same Power 5 schools probably took a massive hit on the football revenue side, too, so added costs will still matter. It could get really hairy really quickly the further down the rabbit hole you get. Take your school, Nebraska, as an example. Do you redshirt a lot of the likely #1 2021 class to go one more year with Sun, Stivrins and Sweet? Or, does Cook have to have a tough chat with his seniors and tell them it's time to move on? If they are welcomed back, do you risk losing anyone in the 2021 class who might have to sit out a year that they hadn't planned on? What about non-seniors? Do they get to get their lost season of eligibility back? How does that impact 2022, 2023 and even 2024 recruits who might bump up against this logjam and go to a school that wasn't their preference? And, does that give you a bloated transfer portal over the next several years? The cleanest way would to just move on from your seniors. Not a very satisfying way to go about it. I am not sure what pushback there would be. While volleyball won't be of the utmost concern to most athletics directors, I am guessing that, for instance, Kelly Sheffield will likely break down Barry Alvarez's office door with a baseball bat if Wisconsin says goodbye to its senior class after a canceled season.
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Post by n00b on May 28, 2020 12:40:50 GMT -5
The cleanest way would to just move on from your seniors. Not a very satisfying way to go about it. I am not sure what pushback there would be. While volleyball won't be of the utmost concern to most athletics directors, I am guessing that, for instance, Kelly Sheffield will likely break down Barry Alvarez's office door with a baseball bat if Wisconsin says goodbye to its senior class after a canceled season. Interesting you point that out because Wisconsin is the only school I'm aware of that publicly announced they wouldn't be bringing back the 2020 seniors from spring sports for an additional season. www.si.com/college/2020/04/09/wisconsin-not-allow-spring-student-athletes-return
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Post by Kingsley on May 28, 2020 12:49:16 GMT -5
The cleanest way would to just move on from your seniors. Not a very satisfying way to go about it. I am not sure what pushback there would be. While volleyball won't be of the utmost concern to most athletics directors, I am guessing that, for instance, Kelly Sheffield will likely break down Barry Alvarez's office door with a baseball bat if Wisconsin says goodbye to its senior class after a canceled season. Interesting you point that out because Wisconsin is the only school I'm aware of that publicly announced they wouldn't be bringing back the 2020 seniors from spring sports for an additional season. www.si.com/college/2020/04/09/wisconsin-not-allow-spring-student-athletes-returnWisconsin is also unique in that they don’t have baseball.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 12:54:58 GMT -5
The cleanest way would to just move on from your seniors. Not a very satisfying way to go about it. I am not sure what pushback there would be. While volleyball won't be of the utmost concern to most athletics directors, I am guessing that, for instance, Kelly Sheffield will likely break down Barry Alvarez's office door with a baseball bat if Wisconsin says goodbye to its senior class after a canceled season. Interesting you point that out because Wisconsin is the only school I'm aware of that publicly announced they wouldn't be bringing back the 2020 seniors from spring sports for an additional season. www.si.com/college/2020/04/09/wisconsin-not-allow-spring-student-athletes-returnYes. And, some thought Barry Alvarez's comments about it being time for the seniors to move on were a bit harsh and blunt. It would be consistent if Wisconsin took that same approach if fall sports are canceled. It would not shock me if fall sports would be treated differently. But, I would still expect Wisconsin to say thank you to the seniors and move forward. I would also anticipate more schools would take Wisconsin's approach than not if fall sports were canceled. I don't know how many Wisconsin athletes were impacted in the spring, but I don't think there are a lot of spring sports at Wisconsin anyway. If any change to Wisconsin's approach happens, I would guess that it would be the result of backlash from a larger number of athletes in the higher profile sports, and the fans and boosters.
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Post by nothingbutcorn on May 28, 2020 14:00:14 GMT -5
I think you just have to move on from your seniors. If this season starts and 5 matches into it matches stop and then the season gets canceled you have to treat it as a full season.
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Post by TuesdayGone on May 28, 2020 14:46:38 GMT -5
Smart coach could free up their 2021 scholarships and land All American senior transfers in 2021.
Rettke Hilley Haggerty Loberg Barnes Stiverns Sun Samedy etc, etc
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Post by badgerbreath on May 28, 2020 15:24:00 GMT -5
I don't know about other programs, and I seriously want to see volleyball next season, but I don't think it concretely affects the badgers much if the season is cancelled or seriously foreshortened. Loberg, Hilley and Rettke all have redshirts in hand, and they will play if they decide to stay another year - I don't see them getting displaced. Rettke might decide to leave if she can get pro playing time prior to Tokyo. That would be big, but it's rally not at all clear what will be available for her. Hilley could easily find academic reasons to stay on campus given what she is studying. In any case, the coaches really don't face any hard decisions. The only question is what happens to Haggerty - will the B1G allow her an extra redshirt year? It would be harsh if they don't.
I think the comparison to spring sports is misleading because that decision affects the coming fiscal year, which we know will be heavily impacted. Allowing fall sports players to take redshirts doesn't register fiscally until the following year, and we don't know what will happen in the mean time. There are too many variables.
I'm not sure what kinds of conflicts it really sets up for other programs as I'm not as intimately familiar with their situations.
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Post by n00b on May 28, 2020 15:42:37 GMT -5
Not sure why this a much of a debate at this point. I'd be shocked if there wasn't volleyball this fall.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 15:57:29 GMT -5
breath- That assumes a school doesn't issue a blanket, "Thank you for your service" policy and move forward. Loberg, Hilley, Barnes and Rettke do have redshirts available. If the school allows them to use them. I think Alvarez's instinct would be cut them loose as he did in spring.
But, this is why it gets hairy the deeper into a rabbit hole you can go. If Wisconsin were to jettison all seniors in fall sports as they did in spring sports, that would open up at least 2 first team All-Americans to potentially enter the transfer portal. Another reason Sheffield would show up at Barry's door with a baseball bat. As BadgerMania suggested, if Rettke, Hilley, etc. are in the transfer portal year from now because of athletics department policy...Wow.
Anyway, we can speculate on this all day and just spin our wheels on this. I do feel like somehow the season will be played and this will all be moot. But, interesting to think about in a down moment.
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Post by gibbyb1 on May 28, 2020 16:00:45 GMT -5
breath- That assumes a school doesn't issue a blanket, "Thank you for your service" policy and move forward. Loberg, Hilley, Barnes and Rettke do have redshirts available. If the school allows them to use them. I think Alvarez's instinct would be cut them loose as he did in spring. But, this is why it gets hairy the deeper into a rabbit hole you can go. If Wisconsin were to jettison all seniors in fall sports as they did in spring sports, that would open up at least 2 first team All-Americans to potentially enter the transfer portal. Another reason Sheffield would show up at Barry's door with a baseball bat. As BadgerMania suggested, if Rettke, Hilley, etc. are in the transfer portal year from now because of athletics department policy...Wow. Anyway, we can speculate on this all day and just spin our wheels on this. I do feel like somehow the season will be played and this will all be moot. But, interesting to think about in a down moment. They’d be in the pro portal
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