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Post by BearClause on Jan 25, 2020 20:40:20 GMT -5
I don't know if anyone is sure what the exact "patient zero" source is, but currently this province has outlawed the sale of wild game animals. This was from the NY Times article I linked earlier. I know around here, the sale of wild game meat is very limited. It can certainly be given away, but in order to sell it requires USDA inspections. Unfortunately, what the law on paper say in China and what the reality is are two quite different things. All kind of animals were sold in the wet market. Apparently no one bothered to enforce the law. I'm referring to the US. There's a perception that wild game is illegal to sell in the US. There's a tradition of hunters donating the carcasses to food banks. However, that's OK provided they're not for sale. There's a brisk business in wild game being sold in places like Texas, but that requires USDA inspectors like there would be for any commercial operation. I don't believe wild game was illegal per se before this outbreak, but I know once they make up their mind for a situation like this one to make it illegal, they will absolutely crack down on it.
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Post by ironhammer on Jan 25, 2020 20:43:39 GMT -5
Unfortunately, what the law on paper say in China and what the reality is are two quite different things. All kind of animals were sold in the wet market. Apparently no one bothered to enforce the law. I don't believe wild game was illegal per se before this outbreak, but I know once they make up their mind for a situation like this one to make it illegal, they will absolutely crack down on it. Well it was a fact that wild game was sold at that market in China and probably many other places in that country. As for banning such sales, I wouldn't be so..confident on that. SARS was traced to the consumption of wild game, but those animals weren't banned after SARS.
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Post by BearClause on Jan 25, 2020 20:45:33 GMT -5
I don't believe wild game was illegal per se before this outbreak, but I know once they make up their mind for a situation like this one to make it illegal, they will absolutely crack down on it. Well it was a fact that wild game was sold at that market in China and probably many other places in that country. As for banning such sales, I wouldn't be so..confident on that. SARS was traced to the consumption of wild game, but those animals weren't banned after SARS. The reports are that the sale of wild game meats has been banned in Hubei Province.
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Post by ironhammer on Jan 25, 2020 20:47:41 GMT -5
Well it was a fact that wild game was sold at that market in China and probably many other places in that country. As for banning such sales, I wouldn't be so..confident on that. SARS was traced to the consumption of wild game, but those animals weren't banned after SARS. The reports are that the sale of wild game meats has been banned in Hubei Province. Wild game was sold regardless of what the law says. This is the problem in China. What the law says and what actually is happening on the ground often has no bearing. People defy the law, like selling wild game, all the time all over China. It is a fact wild game was sold at the wet market. Scientists tracing the genome of this new coronavirus suspect it might be snakes.
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Post by BearClause on Jan 25, 2020 21:12:46 GMT -5
The reports are that the sale of wild game meats has been banned in Hubei Province. Wild game was sold regardless of what the law says. This is the problem in China. What the law says and what actually is happening on the ground often has no bearing. People defy the law, like selling wild game, all the time all over China. It is a fact wild game was sold at the wet market. Scientists tracing the genome of this new coronavirus suspect it might be snakes. I get that enforcement tends to be lax - at least until there's some crisis and then they start making examples out of people. However, I don't believe that wild game was specifically illegal in this province before. This sounds like an emergency ban, and they can crack down hard just like they can shut down travel and public transportation.
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Post by BearClause on Jan 26, 2020 11:20:34 GMT -5
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 26, 2020 15:19:08 GMT -5
The reports are that the sale of wild game meats has been banned in Hubei Province. Wild game was sold regardless of what the law says. This is the problem in China. What the law says and what actually is happening on the ground often has no bearing. People defy the law, like selling wild game, all the time all over China. It is a fact wild game was sold at the wet market. Scientists tracing the genome of this new coronavirus suspect it might be snakes. Dude, China banned the sale just now, in response to this. And yes, they will crack down it with zeal. There's a difference between skirting a law that happens to be on the books and violating one that is a direct enforcement priority related to national and global news headlines.
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Post by dd2000 on Jan 26, 2020 15:41:08 GMT -5
5th case in U.S. confirmed.
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Post by XAsstCoach on Jan 26, 2020 20:04:23 GMT -5
Wifey’s family is stuck in Wuhan...actually, they’re from Wuhan but they’re stuck inside their homes. Can’t go anywhere, and nowhere to go. They’re doing ok, maybe getting a little bit of cabin fever. Brother in law went to his hometown 1 hr outside Wuhan before the shutdown, said he cannot get back in to be with his wife. Also one GPS app said highway into Wuhan is closed until further notice.
Read a report by the Wuhan govt that they estimated 3-5 million people already left Wuhan for the Spring festival before the shutdown. They say 2,000 confirmed cases now, just last week it was only 100 or so. They may still be off by a factor of 42...meaning probably 90,000 are already infected. I’m guessing many dare not go report themselves for fear of being quarantined.
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Post by ironhammer on Jan 26, 2020 20:57:08 GMT -5
Wild game was sold regardless of what the law says. This is the problem in China. What the law says and what actually is happening on the ground often has no bearing. People defy the law, like selling wild game, all the time all over China. It is a fact wild game was sold at the wet market. Scientists tracing the genome of this new coronavirus suspect it might be snakes. Dude, China banned the sale just now, in response to this. And yes, they will crack down it with zeal. There's a difference between skirting a law that happens to be on the books and violating one that is a direct enforcement priority related to national and global news headlines. The emphasis is "just now". It wasn't before. That's the difference. The virus was allowed to spread due to this habit of eating wild game.
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Post by BearClause on Jan 26, 2020 21:29:06 GMT -5
Dude, China banned the sale just now, in response to this. And yes, they will crack down it with zeal. There's a difference between skirting a law that happens to be on the books and violating one that is a direct enforcement priority related to national and global news headlines. The emphasis is "just now". It wasn't before. That's the difference. The virus was allowed to spread due to his habit of eating wild game. There’s no indication that it was illegal before. It’s illegal now as a specific response to this outbreak.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 26, 2020 21:39:05 GMT -5
The emphasis is "just now". It wasn't before. That's the difference. The virus was allowed to spread due to his habit of eating wild game. There’s no indication that it was illegal before. It’s illegal now as a specific response to this outbreak. From what I read, it was supposed to have been regulated before. I guess they have been trying to suppress the sale of game meat and wild animals, but since the people who buy them are mainly the rich and powerful, it's hard to get the suppression of the trade to stick.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Jan 26, 2020 22:28:56 GMT -5
basically it started because someone from china ate either a rat or bat and turned out the animal had the coronavirus. Don't know where you heard this, but it sounds like racist xenophobia. Zoonotic diseases are not often caused by eating something. Typically they are spread the same way the diseases are spread among people -- through the air from breathing or sneezing, through blood contact (which might happen when preparing an animal for eating), through contact with an animal's urine or feces, by being bitten, or by skin-to-skin contact (especially if there are any open wounds). Most zoonotic diseases come from farmers, because farmers spend a lot of time with animals. And yeah, usually those animals are raised or kept for food, so in a sense the diseases come from eating them. But usually not directly, unless the meat is eaten without being cooked. To be fair, this was posted on major news organizations that the cause was thought to be likely from eating bats or snakes
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Post by ironhammer on Jan 27, 2020 21:29:14 GMT -5
Scientists are now preparing for the possibility that China cannot control the spread of this new coronavirus and it will become a gloal pandemic. This is because one key difference with SARS. SARS was not infectious to others during the incubation period, but this new Wuhan virus does appear to be infectious during the incubation period when symptoms are not apparent, making quarantine and control more difficult. They cautioned that a pandemic is not a foregone conclusion and this is based on thir mathematical models, but they are warning the world to prepare for that possibility: www.scientificamerican.com/article/experts-warn-of-possible-sustained-global-spread-of-new-coronavirus/
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Post by cindra on Jan 28, 2020 11:46:17 GMT -5
Scientists are now preparing for the possibility that China cannot control the spread of this new coronavirus and it will become a gloal pandemic. This is because one key difference with SARS. SARS was not infectious to others during the incubation period, but this new Wuhan virus does appear to be infectious during the incubation period when symptoms are not apparent, making quarantine and control more difficult. They cautioned that a pandemic is not a foregone conclusion and this is based on thir mathematical models, but they are warning the world to prepare for that possibility: www.scientificamerican.com/article/experts-warn-of-possible-sustained-global-spread-of-new-coronavirus/ I'll get worried when there are reports of people contracting the virus who weren't recently in Wuhan. AFAIK all cases outside China are people who traveled there recently.
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